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BBI stage 0.5 or New Bosch

I know I know another injector thread. I'm in the market and wanted to hear opinions between going with new Bosch vs. BBI stage 0.5s remans in a stock truck with stock tuning. I'm in Colorado, so I have to pass emissions yearly.

I like the idea of quieter smoother and more efficient from the BBI's, and 50 extra hp never hurt anyone. At the same time I'm at 172K on my originals and they are just now starting to show their age, so I see those as a really good value too. Price is basically a wash between the two.


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I would go bbi but might need some custom tuning to clean them up?

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I'd take the BBis. Coming from a guy who would only ever buy a new set of injectors. Cant go wrong with either, but the BBis will be as clean, but idle smoother and drive better. Idle might be quieter as well..

Connector tubes are included right now with BBis iirc..

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If you can find which one has a lower failure rate, that might help you make your decision.

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I know the BBI remains have a failure rate of only .4%. I imagine the failure rate on new Bosch is probably info we’ll never know...




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I know the BBI remains have a failure rate of only .4%. I imagine the failure rate on new Bosch is probably info we’ll never know...




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Martin on here from bbi might have or know that info.

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I know the BBI remains have a failure rate of only .4%. I imagine the failure rate on new Bosch is probably info we’ll never know...




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It's very low. I've heard/read from retailers that they will have one go bad once every 6 years. Or less.....

Keep in mind that martin at BBi did get to the bottom of those failed remans and fixed the underlying issue. There have been no failures since. I remain unsure how many cumulative miles are on the injectors sold since then. However, they usually fail fairly quickly. It doesnt typically take 10k miles for a failure to show up in those parts..

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It's very low. I've heard/read from retailers that they will have one go bad once every 6 years. Or less.....

Keep in mind that martin at BBi did get to the bottom of those failed remans and fixed the underlying issue. There have been no failures since. I remain unsure how many cumulative miles are on the injectors sold since then. However, they usually fail fairly quickly. It doesnt typically take 10k miles for a failure to show up in those parts..

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The new Bosch rate is one goes bad every six years?! That's pretty incredible, especially given i bet a whole lot more Bosch are sold than BBIs...

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The new Bosch rate is one goes bad every six years?! That's pretty incredible, especially given i bet a whole lot more Bosch are sold than BBIs...
In my searches(which aren't wholly conclusive).... I read of one brand new Bosch failure. However. Upon reading that thread in its entirety, the OP stated that was the first failure that retailer had ever seen and he had sold a lot in his time. I'm not recalling names, but I know for a fact this wasn't a dream or something I thought I read. That distributor then said he had heard of 2 or 3 other ones going bad from other major distributors. Keep in mind there are, what, 3 or 4 authorized bosch distributors in the US?

From my understanding, there is extreme quality control on these things from Bosch themselves, that's why the failure rate is so low, but price so high...

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In my searches(which aren't wholly conclusive).... I read of one brand new Bosch failure. However. Upon reading that thread in its entirety, the OP stated that was the first failure that retailer had ever seen and he had sold a lot in his time. I'm not recalling names, but I know for a fact this wasn't a dream or something I thought I read. That distributor then said he had heard of 2 or 3 other ones going bad from other major distributors. Keep in mind there are, what, 3 or 4 authorized bosch distributors in the US?

From my understanding, there is extreme quality control on these things from Bosch themselves, that's why the failure rate is so low, but price so high...

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That's pretty incredible. I'd like to hear more concrete data on it though. Who are the authorized Bosch distributors? When I look at the Bosch website, it says the closest place to me is Autozone...

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I will choose BBI all day everyday. Right now they are having a sale where you purchase any reman or new injector and you get the supply tubes for free! Here is a link to the promo as well as the injector knowledge.

This data is directly from Martin as i work closely with him and do my best to only post facts.



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Although bosch is great, BBI's tolerances are much tighter. Martin and his partner were on the design and engineering team for the bosch injectors so you can rest assured they know what they are doing. With a set of BBI injectors you will get a much smoother idle then any new bosch injector hands down.
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