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Stock pitman arm flip?

Hey guys, so I did a 2ish+” lift on the front. Getting the shakes now at 60+ When I hit a bump. I have gotten the death wobble a couple times too. And it appears the drag link is at a pretty good angle. So my question is, has anyone flipped the stock pitman arm so you can mount the drag link on the backside? Or is the hole that connects to the steering box a one way as well?

Ps I installed dual RC steering stabilizer and upgraded steering linkage.


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With a search in the google box for "DW after lift install" = about 200 hits.
I'm guessing your answer is there > https://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/g...lift%20install
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With a search in the google box for "DW after lift install" = about 200 hits.
I'm guessing your answer is there > https://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/g...lift%20install
I asked about the pitman arm. Not how to fix my dw. Iím trying to think outside the box. Thereís a reason why you have to do a pitman arm drop with a 3 inch lift correct? Usually because of an aggressive drag link angle. Which in my mind causes less stabilization.

This is something Iíve been dealing with for a couple weeks. Iíve done my searches and if you notice thereís no clear answer. My ball joints are good, everything is tight. Iíve done an alignment.

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I asked about the pitman arm. Not how to fix my dw. I’m trying to think outside the box. There’s a reason why you have to do a pitman arm drop with a 3 inch lift correct? Usually because of an aggressive drag link angle. Which in my mind causes less stabilization.

This is something I’ve been dealing with for a couple weeks. I’ve done my searches and if you notice there’s no clear answer. My ball joints are good, everything is tight. I’ve done an alignment.
I've been running a stock pitman arm, 3" level, no drop, no issues in steering.
Your issue lies elsewhere.
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What brand lift and what kind of arms came with it ?

no , You cannot flip the pitman arm. Any pitman arm.

It is debatable if you need a "drop" pitman arm with the 3" lift . See below.

Adjustable Track Bar Drop bracket and upgrade very possible. and expensive. I dont know where you are at concerning the track bar unless i missed it but With oem trackbar and 3" lift the differential will be way way off center . And an issue .

The Track Bar AND main steering arm/bar MUST be just about at the same angle to operate properly . This is fact.
How you get there is up to you.
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Hey guys, so I did a 2ish+Ē lift on the front. Getting the shakes now at 60+ When I hit a bump. I have gotten the death wobble a couple times too. And it appears the drag link is at a pretty good angle. So my question is, has anyone flipped the stock pitman arm so you can mount the drag link on the backside? Or is the hole that connects to the steering box a one way as well?

Ps I installed dual RC steering stabilizer and upgraded steering linkage.
The sector shaft is tappered. So flipping the pitman arm will not work,...cuz it has a taper as well. Also the link end is tapered where it mounts through the pitman arm

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I've got a 3" Long Travel setup on my truck with a stock pitman arm. I haven't had any adverse affects. Personally, with these trucks, I've found that DW is usually caused by something being worn out on the front end.
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Apparently he doesn't care about the DW.
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Did you adjust your caster after you put your 2" level on it? Are you still running the old Y-Style steering linkage?

I've got a 3" Thuren setup on my truck with a stock pitman arm and have zero shakes or death wobble.

From my experience, caster and alignment is almost always the cause of death wobble on these trucks. Check out Don Thuren's alignment specs write up, everyone with a Cummins truck should know this because normal alignment guys will not have a clue.

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Change out the pitman arm with the Mopar recommended unit when you do the upgraded suspension.
CJC should stock it and can offer knowlegeable assistance.
In addition be sure your running reputable tires in good balance.
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No, you can't flip the pitman arm, but you can find tapered inserts. Drill the end of pitman arm to required size press new insert in and tack weld and grind flat. I don't remember sizes but think the inserts are on Ebay.

Also the guys are giving some good advise on DW. When DW happens there is something worn out, balljoints, dropbar bushings, tie rods and so on. As asked prior do you have the y bar or newer improvement kit ?
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...Are you still running the old Y-Style steering linkage?
Good call on the Y-Style steering, that completely slipped my mind.

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