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Well which parts? Maybe we can shed some light on some terms and whatnot

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Appreciate the input guys, most likely will go that route then. Allows me to have fun and put a turbo on then in the future toss something over top.
Thoughts on doing a 63/68/.91 box turbo and then putting a s475/1.32 later? 50-75 HP for fuel upgrades, possibly a Fleece CP3K, and HP tuning
Why not just run a 351/475 setup? 63/68/91 and 475 is overkill for what you want to do with the truck.

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Well overkill maybe but I’ll only be able to make as much boost as my fuel will alow and a 63/68 will still spool nice and quick. I could downsize slightly on the s400 to a s472 I suppose but the 475 flows a good amount more air for minimal weight.
Main reason is I like to tinker around and would like to toss a turbo on possibly this summer but don’t want to drop the cash for compounds just yet. When I do the turbo upgrade I’ll be doing other mods at the same time like injectors, valve springs and pushrods.

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Well overkill maybe but I’ll only be able to make as much boost as my fuel will alow and a 63/68 will still spool nice and quick. I could downsize slightly on the s400 to a s472 I suppose but the 475 flows a good amount more air for minimal weight.
Main reason is I like to tinker around and would like to toss a turbo on possibly this summer but don’t want to drop the cash for compounds just yet. When I do the turbo upgrade I’ll be doing other mods at the same time like injectors, valve springs and pushrods.
If you went the stocker S475 route, the money you were gonna spend on a new turbo could be used for your compound piping kit. You'll still be able to hit your goal, you won't lose the fast spool of the stock turbo, which is nice in a manual and you'll have your compound setup sooner.
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True... I’ve thought about pulling the stocker and just rebuilding it and putting it back with either a BD or Steed Speed manifold. I’ve installed a 63/68/.91 on a buddies truck with a 2nd gen mani and honestly it lit right at 1600 rpms, his truck was an auto but it felt very similar to stock as to when she would light it just hit harder when it took off. That was with stock injectors when we put 100s in it it would light slightly sooner but not really noticeable it just made more boost than it did on stock fuel

I don’t know more thinking to do I guess lol

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63/68.91 borg sxe I ran on my 5.9- like you mentioned I didn’t think lag was bad and once lit it was like a firework.

I would say if you don’t stay with stock as recommended before then go with a borg SXE model turbo as they flow extremely well with smaller wheel sizes.

With some fuel and tuning you should make 600+ with that single charger as is without compounds

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Only reason I mentioned it is you stated you were only going to add roughly 30% overs and want to use the truck to tow and just daily it, hard to beat a 351/475 for that.....

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If you want to do the 63/68 SXE I will be taking mine off soon to put a 64.5/73. It has around 3000 miles currently with limited driving on weekends only. It is a .91 with cerakote on it. I have two compressor covers for it as well, one is a normal 3rd gen elbow the other has V-bands welded on the intake & discharge. I also have the rest of the Evil fab over/under piping that could go with it. Just needs a 2nd gen manifold & standard cover S400.
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Only reason I mentioned it is you stated you were only going to add roughly 30% overs and want to use the truck to tow and just daily it, hard to beat a 351/475 for that.....
That’s very true, really I’m just kind of seeing what’s out there and if somebody's doing what’s in my head lol 351/475 is a dime a dozen, 63/475 non gated not really.

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So I’ve kind of settled on a kit from EVIL FAB, they make a kit that utilizes the 3rd gen style manifold but allows for a t4 non gated manifold charger.
Anyone have any experience with Evil? Their kits seem legit all stainless steel welds look very nice and clean

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So Iíve kind of settled on a kit from EVIL FAB, they make a kit that utilizes the 3rd gen style manifold but allows for a t4 non gated manifold charger.
Anyone have any experience with Evil? Their kits seem legit all stainless steel welds look very nice and clean
Riley is good people and makes good quality stuff. No worries there.

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