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Obviously I can't get the quotes right on my phone... You get the idea though

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I have the "BMS" 50HP marine injectors. The only complaint i have about them is they haze a little. Other then that, they seem to work great. The next time i need injectors I'll be looking into S&S,exergy and bbi. Those 3 are one i recommend for injectors.

Intercooler, pipes and is going to do nothing substantial and would be a big waste of money. For the money you'd spend on all those parts you could get custom tuning and that will benefit you far more then then those other parts. steve has done some testing with IATs and shown his fuel mileage is better keeping the IATs around 100+.
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Really? I always figured the colder air would be better. I have rather limited diesel modification experience. I'm coming from turbo gas engines. I have 2 kits ts of water/meth I've been tempted to use. Not sure how diesel engines act with it. I know my 2 liter i4 loved it. Used a wot switch and psi switch. Kit turned on at wot and 30psi. Worked wonders.



I'm just trying to justify spending the extra 1300 on bigger ones over just putting new Bosch ones in. I'm either going exergy 30% or stock Bosch.
Will there any major downside to running the 30% on my setup until I get a new turbo?
My plan was turbo then injectors but plans changed when the Injector went out.

Haze isn't bad, I just don't want to be rolling coal everywhere I go.
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Really? I always figured the colder air would be better. I have rather limited diesel modification experience. I'm coming from turbo gas engines. I have 2 kits ts of water/meth I've been tempted to use. Not sure how diesel engines act with it. I know my 2 liter i4 loved it. Used a wot switch and psi switch. Kit turned on at wot and 30psi. Worked wonders.



I'm just trying to justify spending the extra 1300 on bigger ones over just putting new Bosch ones in. I'm either going exergy 30% or stock Bosch.
Will there any major downside to running the 30% on my setup until I get a new turbo?
My plan was turbo then injectors but plans changed when the Injector went out.

Haze isn't bad, I just don't want to be rolling coal everywhere I go.
where are you getting new injectors that cheap?

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Guys do run water meth systems in their pickups. I haven't really looked into them that much because i don't have a use for one. The horror stories (not that it's common) of them leaking causing hydro lock doesn't make me want one want more. But i guess you could always put a manual shut off valve in the line

The injectors are the heart of the engine. They can make it run great or destroy an engine pretty quick. Injectors are not something you should go cheap on.

30% overs will be fine with a stock turbo. Tuning will play a bigger role then a turbo when it comes to how clean it runs.

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Not really sure about the trans, shifts fine. It's not original to the truck I don't think. I have a new vb and bd solenoid kit on the shelf waiting to go in. Maybe over the winter I'll pull the trans and get a rebuild kit.

I'll have to check out those new injectors. I've had bad luck with remans. So I'm definitely going new. So I guess the question is if I get them with nozzles or put them on myself.

After more research I'm going to do 30/33% ones.

A better intercooler and pipe will help overall with everything. Power is in air density not boost. Make more power with less throttle keeps everything happy.

As far as custom tunes. That might be down the road. For now I'll stick with the banks. Like I said not going for crazy power. Just a good all around truck. 450-500whp is max for my goals.
Upgrade/Rebuild that trans, get efilive. And youre done. No injectors needed. If u must get injectors, go with bbi. If u just want stock new bosch, 2000$ from injectors direct. I wouldnt put nozzles on new bodies, not worth it.

I just recently went thru all this and came from the same turbo 4cyl background. Welcome to the forum.

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Really? I always figured the colder air would be better. I have rather limited diesel modification experience. I'm coming from turbo gas engines. I have 2 kits ts of water/meth I've been tempted to use. Not sure how diesel engines act with it. I know my 2 liter i4 loved it. Used a wot switch and psi switch. Kit turned on at wot and 30psi. Worked wonders.



I'm just trying to justify spending the extra 1300 on bigger ones over just putting new Bosch ones in. I'm either going exergy 30% or stock Bosch.
Will there any major downside to running the 30% on my setup until I get a new turbo?
My plan was turbo then injectors but plans changed when the Injector went out.

Haze isn't bad, I just don't want to be rolling coal everywhere I go.
Cold air for power, hot air for mpg, cold fuel period... Tune in cold weather. Dial it in as temps heat up... I did this recently and results are awesome for what i use my truck for... Daily driving... Just now attempting to get it fine tuned with smoke table

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BBi 0.5s
Borg Warner 363sxe
Aftermarket manifold(either third gen or second gen style depending on depth of pockets)
Built trans
MM3 with tunes by Gordon (dodge74 on here) or someone else on here
Single piece driveshaft
Added fuel filtration
Steering box brace
Bypass heat exchanger
Install dynamic transmission thermostat bypass in front cooler

That's a solid build right there. Should be good for many many carefree miles.


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BBi 0.5s
Borg Warner 363sxe
Aftermarket manifold(either third gen or second gen style depending on depth of pockets)
Built trans
MM3 with tunes by Gordon (dodge74 on here) or someone else on here
Single piece driveshaft
Added fuel filtration
Steering box brace
Bypass heat exchanger
Install dynamic transmission thermostat bypass in front cooler

That's a solid build right there. Should be good for many many carefree miles.


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With only 0.5 bbi I think he should go 362.

In my opinion the 363sxe is a useless turbo. It flows less than 5 lb/min (some places site it as only 0.5 more, hard to read the edge of the map) over the 362, at a lower pr and efficiency.

Which means if you go with the 363 over the 362 then max hp potential gain is only 4-40 using the 8hp/lb rule of thumb. But due to the decrease in efficiency you gain about 44 outlet temperature at 40psig. And with a larger wheel it will inherently spool slower.





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BBi 0.5s
Borg Warner 363sxe
Aftermarket manifold(either third gen or second gen style depending on depth of pockets)
Built trans
MM3 with tunes by Gordon (dodge74 on here) or someone else on here
Single piece driveshaft
Added fuel filtration
Steering box brace
Bypass heat exchanger
Install dynamic transmission thermostat bypass in front cooler

That's a solid build right there. Should be good for many many carefree miles.


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With only 0.5 bbi I think he should go 362.

In my opinion the 363sxe is a useless turbo. It flows less than 5 lb/min (some places site it as only 0.5 more, hard to read the edge of the map) over the 362, at a lower pr and efficiency.

Which means if you go with the 363 over the 362 then max hp potential gain is only 4-40 using the 8hp/lb rule of thumb. But due to the decrease in efficiency you gain about 44 outlet temperature at 40psig. And with a larger wheel it will inherently spool slower.





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I agree with a 362 with bbi .5s. Just because I think u need more injector. but as for putting down the 363, I disagree. All of that stuff sounds good on paper but my experience the 363 and 362 spool damn near identical. And the 363 has greater potential (future compounds or just peek hp) regardless of a possible slight efficiency loss.

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I have a ii borgwarner s362 I would sell ya. It would go great with your build. PM me of interested.

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It's has 120xxx on it now and I had a injector go. I replaced it but now I'm going to do them all. Which brings me to nozzles. I'm looking for a fun truck that can still do everything (tow, road trips, just cruise) and have some usable power.

Quick question how did you determine “I had an injector go”. I’m concerned with 133,000 mi on 2006 as well.. I would appreciate your input.. thanks

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