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OEM Seat Cushion Fix

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What I did was: (cushion removed already)

  • Cut the 1/4" square wire mesh large enough to fit over the seat base and down the sides.
  • Trim any and all wire so the 4 edges are flush and the wire has little opportunity to tear anything.
  • Place the wire over the seat base and on the door side of the seat leave enough wire to bend up around the seat cushion once it is installed.
  • Zip tie the wire mesh to the seat base in several locations, don't be cheap with the ties, 8~10 would be good.
  • Install the seat cushion over the mesh
  • Form the extra mesh so it cups the seat cushion on the side by the seat controls.
  • Using 2 bolts long enough to go thru the foam and wire mesh, washers on both ends up against the mesh, bolt the 2 pieces together in 2 places.
  • Replace seat cover.


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Last year, or maybe 2 now... I forget, wife got me a new seat cushion for the ram. Of amazon IIRC. Lasted maybe 2 weeks. Am looking to get a new one soon from Genos since it is a better foam and reinforced. Decided to have a stab at fixing the existing foam to find out what would work to further reinforce the cushion. Recalling a previous thread where the OP used burlap material on the frame (I think) I also did this to my frame back when I installed the seat cushion. Having the material on hand and the spray adhesive (3m) I decided to experiment with both and see how they do.

Pulled the seat cushion (literally less than 90 seconds) and went to work. cut a sample piece, dropped it in the center of the cushion and sprayed the heck out of it. Let it dry for a bit and started poking at it and did not seem like it was going to stick. OK eh... cut some more, sprayed both sides of the cracked foam and basically all over the area and put a piece the length of the crack, then sprayed the heck out of it some more. I let it sit for a bit then since it was getting late, tossed it back in the truck. (this was Monday) Tuesday morning it was almost like a new seat. Wondering how long this will last. My expectation is it will fail, glue will separate from the 2 pieces at some point, or the foam behind the glue will tear.

This morning, no change, still feels almost like a new seat. This made me think, why not get a wire mesh and create a bucket for the seat cushion sides to sit in. I'd position it such that it supports the areas that tend to sink on entry & exit and ultimately crack. The thinking is if this area has a wire mesh supporting it, the foam cant tear. What I'm thinking is a layer of the burlap material covering the wire mesh and glued (saturated with spray glue) to the seat foam.


Anyone try this in the past?

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Updated from another thread...

Chicken wire, 1/4" IIRC, I forgot to zip-tie the wire to the seat base and was only able to get a few in there. When installing, don't be cheap with the zip ties... My wire will lift a bit off the seat in a couple of spots and bow upwards slightly. Zip ties would fix that. The foam you see above the wire mesh is actually a piece of carpet padding I had.








Not the best pics here, tried to capture how the bolster is still mostly upright on the right hand side of the seat in the 2nd pic. The very front is not supported by the chicken wire and an improvement could be made. Overall since doing this mod to the seat foam & seat, it has held up really well and I cant say its changed much if at all from when I did the change.





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I'd just like to get 4th gens seats for mine. Waay more comfortable.
Two of my motor's gears are shot. I got them from Geno's along with their upgraded cushion.
An upholstery shop I spoke to had a customer come in who had sourced out metal gears for the motors.
Our Honda's going on 12 years now with daily seat adjustments and it works great. If Dodge dissected their seats they could clone those motors.

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I did the burlap treatment when I put a new cushion in.
I also took a ball pen hammer and dremel to the frame to massage and remove any sharp edges. Covered the frame in burlap and reinforced the foam with burlap and added an extra chunk of 1.5” thick foam in between the frame and cushion.Going on ~1 year now and the foam is holding up well. Still feels as good as the day I did all this.

I think the wire mesh by itself would eventually cut into the foam making it break down but you could secure some burlap to it as well (sew it on maybe) it would probably do well.

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I'd just like to get 4th gens seats for mine. Waay more comfortable.
Two of my motor's gears are shot. I got them from Geno's along with their upgraded cushion.
An upholstery shop I spoke to had a customer come in who had sourced out metal gears for the motors.
Our Honda's going on 12 years now with daily seat adjustments and it works great. If Dodge dissected their seats they could clone those motors.
Yeah 4th gen seats would be nice... and they recline farther IIRC from the last time I rented one. The way the seat feels when new (aka sitting in the near new passenger seat, it is more than good enough for me. The drivers side however has a busted piece in there somewhere that allows the seat to slip down if not latched right... this happened in the accident last year. Never did that before so I figure something broke. Going to look into it at a wrecking yard some day to find the piece that needs to be swapped to make it good again.



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I did the burlap treatment when I put a new cushion in.
I also took a ball pen hammer and dremel to the frame to massage and remove any sharp edges. Covered the frame in burlap and reinforced the foam with burlap and added an extra chunk of 1.5Ē thick foam in between the frame and cushion.Going on ~1 year now and the foam is holding up well. Still feels as good as the day I did all this.

I think the wire mesh by itself would eventually cut into the foam making it break down but you could secure some burlap to it as well (sew it on maybe) it would probably do well.
So it sounds like you did what I just did except for the 1.5" foam (great idea and I thought of that as well but not sure about the value added to it... I have a chunk I can use).

The wire mesh, I agree it would tear the foam if not done right... my thinking is to secure it to itself with the foam sandwiched in there... a piece of picture hanging wire would do it, tie off both ends to each side of the wire mesh... maybe fine chicken wire would be good to use. If I can get it done right, the foam should not move from the mesh and stay put. Maybe its overkill and what I did should be good enough to hold (based on your feedback). If it holds then I think maybe just get the new foam and treat it the way I did this piece...

2 long holiday trips coming up... will see how this does for a week and decide when to do this swap (t-day or xmas break).

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on my 08, i did the "upgraded" one from Geno's and its been awesome for the better part of 2 years now, i have the upgraded one for my 04, just have not put in on account i have a wondergel cushion for it, and it's awesome as well. just stays cold for a long time in the cool mornings so you have to remember to bring it inside at night. at first i got the thicker one, and it's to much lift, so i ended up with the thinner one, and yeah it's well worth it. and with as much road trips we do, i'm not sure how i've gone so long without one.
would be worth looking into for sure.

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on my 08, i did the "upgraded" one from Geno's and its been awesome for the better part of 2 years now, i have the upgraded one for my 04, just have not put in on account i have a wondergel cushion for it, and it's awesome as well. just stays cold for a long time in the cool mornings so you have to remember to bring it inside at night. at first i got the thicker one, and it's to much lift, so i ended up with the thinner one, and yeah it's well worth it. and with as much road trips we do, i'm not sure how i've gone so long without one.
would be worth looking into for sure.
Did you do anything to the Genos cushion before the install? or just slap it in there?

Wondergel... looks thick. What would be nice is a heated seat. I test drove an ecodiesel while out in Minn that had the heated steering wheel... a guy could get spoiled pretty quick with that accessory...

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i just slapped it in, it already has burlap (i think) built into the seat molding where it rests on the metal frame. i almost got the kit for heated seats, but was on time constraints as i was headed on a long road trip the next day.
i was going to go with something like this.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Hi-off-Lo-r...hSGNDs&vxp=mtr
just never got around to it.
i'f i ever get around to doing the seat on my 04 i'll add this kit to the seat, heck for $80, why not try it out.

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wow that is cheap... for both seats too.

Did you ever pull the seat cover off completely to access the back foam? I need to do it at some point to track down that broke piece... just curious as to how much trouble it would be to get it off...

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i've yet to mess the the seat backs. i need to as the one in my 04 is rather tired, and has a hole. but finding a good cover is nearly impossible. 245K it's showing it's age.

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I have an email out to these guys asking if they have a replacement cover vs a cover that fits over the original covers...

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I mentioned there is a market for them in the more popular trucks out there. When I pull my seat back cover I will post up how it went.

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From Precision Fit @ http://www.precisionfit.com/
We do not sell OEM replacements or upholstery type covers.

Our products are seat covers, or slip covers.
They are not meant as factory replacements.
The original manufacturer’s factory material must still be in place for our seat covers to fit properly.

The seats covers are custom fitted to your vehicle.
Our patterns are made by finding a vehicle like yours at a dealership or privately owned in the local area.
We then create the pattern and test the seat covers on that vehicle.
They are made to fit a vehicle that is just like yours.

You can see many sample pictures on our website gallery, however we may not have a picture of your exact vehicle.
Here is the link.
Precision Fit Installed Seat Cover Gallery
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I've been running a tanker that's the worst truck I've ever been in. New. I've had the PURPLE brand seat cushion five years now.

Bought the big one recently when I was thru Walcott. And bought the separate lumbar piece. Then got a sheepskin seat cover to go over it.

Now have it all in pickup. I don't have to roll over and fall out of the Dodge like some of y'all, so my seat is original. But it's 14-years and 215k hard

What I have above spreads the load. Significantly. The problems with the seat on the big truck flat stopped as to rapid wear. Is far more comfortable.

In the pickup it makes life better. I've used HD Velcro and straps as installed. Not perfect, but the change in ride quality made it cheap.

Extreme $150
Lumbar$40
Sheepskin $75

At 10-12k miles/month since first installed, I can't tell any difference from new.

Might not be exactly what you want to do, Steve, but I can tell you that the fatigue reduction should make it part of your thinking.

Short of the 4th Gen hydraulic cab mounts and an air base seat, I would confidently bet that seat edge wear comes way down.

A guy with the opposite body build from my tall and skinny might not have same results. But my bad back and getting older called for something more than seat cushion change in either truck.

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