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DPF Not Covered Under Warranty?

My truck went to the dealer on Monday for an on again/off again CEL. The light was caused by a faulty turbo speed sensor. The dealer is telling me that the DPF is cracked and needs to be replaced due to problems caused by the faulty turbo speed sensor.

For the past three regens (read via an Edge CTS-2) the truck has bucked, stumbled, and hesitated to accelerate, which is part of the reason that I took it to the dealer.

I have the biggest and best MaxCare warranty there is. it was provided free from Chrysler because of what transpired in this thread...https://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/2...t-restart.html and they're telling me that my DPF is not covered and isn't covered by the federal 8yr/80,000 mile emissions warranty.

As of today, my truck is 4 years old and has 57,000 mile on it. The dealer initially told me that they want $3,600 to replace the DPF but managed to get that cut in half by the regional Chrysler rep.

At this point, I've had it up to the top of my rapidly balding head and am ready to trade it off for a Ford gasser. Does anyone believe I have any recourse other than paying $1,800 to the dealer, deleting the truck (which opens another can of worms), or trading it off?


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My two cents here are probably worthless, but here they are:

If it’s NOT covered under 8/80 federal requirements, then ask the dealer to remove it, replace it with a test pipe, and tune it out. ask to renew your emissions and inspection stickers (if you have those) while it's in. They don’t have a problem enabling or disabling features with the starscan, so why not the DPF? when they say "because removing it is illegal..."

ohhh! ding!

that'll be the sound of the light bulb going off in the service writer's head.

also have a real close read at your warranty's inclusions and exclusions. I'm betting it IS covered and they're just trying to backpedal to avoid paying for an extremely expensive mandatory band-aid.

i'd ask for them to get someone, anyone, to justify exactly how a turbo speed sensor killed your DPF. the late 3rd (and early 4th) gen trucks read MAP, MAF, IAT, and turbo speed all on the same channel with a less sophisticated ECM calibration and low-speed can-bus system, which they cross reference with engine load, exhaust pressure, throttle position, and the TCM to determine where in the fuel map the truck needs to be. they'll sometimes throw a code not for the actual problem sensor but the "odd man out" sensor, if that makes sense. I've heard of cracked injectors taking out filters and coolers, but not a redundant sensor. especially not one which gets cross-referenced six ways to Sunday by the ECM on a nearly real-time basis.

hope this helps, and I'm sorry for the run of bad luck. hope this helps (or at least proves mildly entertaining).


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My train of thought is if a covered warranty part takes out another part.....that part is generally covered also.

With that being said.....here’s two links.

https://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/2...0k-8y-80k.html

The link below is from a 2013 warranty book.....I couldn’t fathom that it is much, if any, different for subsequent model years.

https://www.dodge.com/crossbrand/war...l_Warranty.pdf
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If it were my truck, and I wanted to keep it in its current condition, I would buy a second hand one off a marketplace somewhere. Lots of low miles ones out there. I would also be concerned that something took it out.

Assuming they dont do the right thing and replace it at there cost.
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My understanding was that the DPF is only covered up to 50K on the original warranty.

And, I also had the max care warranty, and it specifically excluded the DPF.

Were the truck mine, I would find a used one someone took off their low mile truck when they deleted it.
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The link lists “exhaust system, including catalysts” as covered for 5/50 on one and 8/80 on the other. I’m betting they’re trying to pick the 5/50 as part of “exhaust system” and “catalyst” (since the DPF is technically a filter, not a catalyst) to get out of eating another one.

This crap is why the epa should stick to efficiency standards; if an engine is more efficient, it’ll be inherently cleaner as well. Burn less = pollute less. But there we go, making sense again. Clearly ain’t nobody got time for that...


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It IS covered under the 8/80 warranty and the dealer knows this hence why they are trying to only charge you half.

Here is what is written in the FCA warranty.
Parts Covered for 8 Years or 80,000 Miles,
Whichever Occurs First
If your truck has one of the following parts, the Federal
Emission Warranty covers that part for a period of 8 years
or 80,000 miles, whichever occurs first, calculated from the
start date of the Basic Limited Warranty. The Basic Limited
Warranty begins on either of the following dates,
whichever is earlier:
• the date you take delivery of the vehicle; or
• the date when the vehicle was first put into service —
for example, as a dealer “demo” or as a FCA US
company vehicle.
The covered parts are:
• Oxidation Catalyst/Particulate Filter Assembly - 6.7L
• Powertrain Control Module - 6.7L
• Selective Catalytic Reduction Catalyst Assembly - 6.7L





If you need it for your specific truck use this website
https://www.mopar.com/en-us/my-vehic...-coverage.html

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I read the warranty (posted as for a 2013 ), unless it's a catalyst it's not covered under 5.1(b)

But I have read many that says it is

https://donotdpfdelete.green/is-a-dp...nder-warranty/

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Dodge Cummins Particulate Filter Warranty:

Emission equipment warranty coverage for theDodge Cumminsis 8 years or 80,000 miles. Several posts describe issues involving the DPF and SCR systems back to the 2007 and 2008 model years. One significant problem being reported, cracked filters showing up right away in the buying cycle.

https://www.dpfproblems.net/america-...ions-warranty/

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Suffice to say, that if a DPF system was a mandatory requirement in America, then it would be covered by the mandatory Emissions Component Warranty which lasts for 8 years / 80,000 miles, and has been around since 1996!.


All that said I am afraid you have a hard road ahead of you, I am sorry....
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It IS covered under the 8/80 warranty and the dealer knows this hence why they are trying to only charge you half.

Here is what is written in the FCA warranty.
Parts Covered for 8 Years or 80,000 Miles,
Whichever Occurs First
If your truck has one of the following parts, the Federal
Emission Warranty covers that part for a period of 8 years
or 80,000 miles, whichever occurs first, calculated from the
start date of the Basic Limited Warranty. The Basic Limited
Warranty begins on either of the following dates,
whichever is earlier:
• the date you take delivery of the vehicle; or
• the date when the vehicle was first put into service —
for example, as a dealer “demo” or as a FCA US
company vehicle.
The covered parts are:
• Oxidation Catalyst/Particulate Filter Assembly - 6.7L
• Powertrain Control Module - 6.7L
• Selective Catalytic Reduction Catalyst Assembly - 6.7L





If you need it for your specific truck use this website
https://www.mopar.com/en-us/my-vehic...-coverage.html
For what year model did you copy this warranty info?

Because you can't go by that except for the year you were looking at.

The warranty on my 2015 reads very differently than that...

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5. Emission Warranties Required
By Law
5.1 Federal Vehicle Emission Warranty -
6.7L Diesel Equipped Heavy Duty
Truck
A. Parts Covered for 5 Years or 50,000 Miles,
Whichever Occurs First
Diesel equipped heavy duty trucks are 2500 and 3500
models only.
Federal law requires Chrysler to warrant the following
emissions parts for 5 years or 50,000 miles, whichever
occurs first.
• Air system controls;
• charge air cooler and associated plumbing;
• coolant temperature sensor;
• DEF system (includes tank, sensors, valves, pump,
doser, control module and heater);
• engine speed, position sensor, and cam position sensor
• exhaust system (includes catalysts and sensors);
• electronic fuel injection system, including injector;
• exhaust manifold;
• exhaust gas recirculation valve and control system
(includes EGR cooler);
• exhaust pipes (between exhaust manifold and last
catalyst)
• fuel pump, fuel lines and fuel injectors;
• intake manifold;
• on-board diagnostic-system components;
• NOx sensors, Ammonia Sensor and associated modules;
• positive crankcase-ventilation (PCV) valve or orifice;
• powertrain control module;
• transmission-control module;
• turbocharger and turbocharger speed sensor;
• turbocharger compressor inlet air temperature/
pressure sensor; and
• wiring harness circuits connected at both ends to
emissions warrantable components.
B. Parts Covered for 8 Years or 80,000 Miles,
Whichever Occurs First
If your truck has one of the following parts, this Federal
Emission Warranty covers that part for a period of 8
years or 80,000 miles, whichever occurs first, calculated
from the start date of the Basic Limited Warranty as set
forth in Section 2.1(E). The covered parts are:
• all catalysts
• powertrain control module
• transmission control module
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The warranty on everything pretty much ends at 5 years. I know, mine is throwing the P2201 code. Nox sensor is covered to 5 years and not covered by the extended Max care warranty. As time marches on all the trucks, the warranties die. For mine, the only thing still covered is the PCM, TCM, and all catalysts. The big problem with the CEL's is that you can't get a smog cert with it and I'll need one in March. At least I am done with the dealers.
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For what year model did you copy this warranty info?

Because you can't go by that except for the year you were looking at.

The warranty on my 2015 reads very differently than that...
That is for my 2015 2500.
Its under the "CALIFORNIA EMISSIONS STANDARD WARRANTY" but all of these truck are built to the same standard and follow the California emissions rules. They do not make different trucks for other states versus the ones sold in California.

Years ago you could buy vehicles that were not Cali emission compliant and vehicles that were Cali compliant. For example, early 2000s honda civics had a different engine for the California emissions versus what was sold in other states.

It will probably a fight to get the dealer to cover it, but it should be covered under that warranty.


Edit: I am apparently an idiot and the laws have changed since i have messed with cars years ago. Now the vehicle has to be registered in California or another California compliant state to be covered by the Cali emissions warranty.

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EPA: "We're from the government and we're here to help"

The EPA needs to be destroyed. Utterly. Completely and absolutely, and all its employees barred from working for any government agency anywhere inside American Borders.

Then we can start over. Do it right. Regulations that make sense. Regulations that aren't 10 years ahead of the available technology and engineering.

The wildfires in Aussieville are mostly because greenies prevented their version of the Forestry Service from doing prescribed (preventative) burns.

And absolutely are at fault in the wildfires in Kalifornication.

Yes, the greenies and the EPA are not only in the same boat they work hand-in-hand.

A greenie group will work out an agreement with the EPA beforehand, then file suit and get a Judge to legalize the agreement. Codifying it.

Happens ALL the time.

Those fines, those multi-multi-million dollar fines levied against companies all the time for breaking EPA rules???

The Companies can make 'in-kind' donations to specified, approved 501(c)3 organizations and get their fines lowered. Dramatically. Not too much (if at all) anymore. Not under this new guy. One reason of many why they all hate him.

Good

The EPA is a truly EVIL organization. I don't care what you're told. It is a corrupt and evil group.

Yes, Virginia, we DO need someone watching stupid, uncaring and greedy corporations.

But not someone that's just as corrupt, stupid and uncaring.

Start over

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