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One thing you can’t get around is the limits of your truck including front and rear axel weights.



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The front and rear axles are the same 2500 or 3500. Unless you you got the 11.8 rear

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A lot of it is state dependent and whether or not you are running commercial. Just because you go over 26001 may not mean anything.
PA follows the CDL classes with respect to weight classes. Over 26000 with trailer less then 10000 is a non-commercial class "B" and over 26000 with trailer over 10000 is a non-commercial class "A"

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[quote =koller1509;29143275]PA follows the CDL classes with respect to weight classes. Over 26000 with trailer less then 10000 is a non-commercial class "B" and over 26000 with trailer over 10000 is a non-commercial class "A"[/quote]

You are 100% correct Anybody who says weight doesn’t mean anything needs to offer to pay the fine for the party who took their advice. In RI you have no choice other than CDL since they don’t offer non commercial lic for heavy trucks. The only exception is for a Farm or RV plate. RVs require living quarters.
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Its state dependent. I dont need a cdl or different class of license to be over 26k.

So like I said it depends on what you're doing and where you're doing it not just the weight.

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Learn you're states regs and follow them. Dont take the word of what people in other states say.

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And when you cross state lines, then what? Reciprocity isn’t guaranteed. Ca. is a perfect example.
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Site some documents backing up what you say. I've driven around the east coast with an expired license because my home state says it's fine.

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Well I found some stuff in the fmsca.


Question 3: Can a State which expands the vehicle group descriptions in §383.91 enforce those expansions on out-of-State Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV) drivers by requiring them to have a CDL?

Guidance: No. They must recognize out-of-State licenses that have been validly issued in accordance with the Federal standards and operative licensing compacts


If I read this correctly states must recognize out of state licenses.




Commercial motor vehicle (CMV) means a motor vehicle or combination of motor vehicles used in commerce to transport passengers or property if the motor vehicle is a—

(1) Combination Vehicle (Group A)—having a gross combination weight rating or gross combination weight of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more), whichever is greater, inclusive of a towed unit(s) with a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight of more than 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds), whichever is greater; or

(2) Heavy Straight Vehicle (Group B)—having a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight of 11,794 or more kilograms (26,001 pounds or more), whichever is greater; or

(3) Small Vehicle (Group C) that does not meet Group A or B requirements but that either—

(i) Is designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver; or

(ii) Is of any size and is used in the transportation of hazardous materials as defined in this section.



VEHICLES USED IN COMMERCE. So if you're not using your truck for commerce and your state doesnt have any further requirements you're good.



(l) Reciprocity. A State must allow any person who has a valid CLP, CDL, Non-domiciled CLP, or Non-domiciled CDL and who is not disqualified from operating a CMV, to operate a CMV in the State.

This book only talks about commercial drivers licenses I'll keep looking to see if I can find anything specifically calling out non CDLs. But in my mind it stands to reason if states are required to observe one another CDL requirements the same courtesy is applied to other licenses. Of course states dont always follow reason.

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There is also an exemption for RVs strictly used for non business purposes.

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Site some documents backing up what you say.
I should probably follow your advice and print out a copy of our very relaxed rules, to bring on my (once again) delayed trip.

Going to CA with a 14K GVWR flatbed pulling a 25K GVWR trailer will make some CHPs salivate. That the trailer is very lightly loaded doesn't really matter in their mind, as I recall.
And non-pickups, such as my 3500 flatbed, are supposed to stop at the scales.

I'll be driving in there at night, and it looks like it'll be raining when I leave. Maybe that'll help.

Maybe if we start telling people that the brain is an app, they will start using it?

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Try going to Felling Trailers website and look at Foggy CDL Regs. Go all the way to questions and see what they say may or may not constitute “ commerce” depending on the state and trooper. An example would be my buddy hauling his race car to New England Dragway. Lots of guys were ticketed for running over 26K without a cdl. Plus charges for no DOT numbers even at lower weights. N.H. claimed since there was money when you won it was commerce. Even if it’s just a chance. Even those with living quarters. Suppose you towed your trailer to a swap meet. Is that commerce? It is if buy or sell anything. Then go to Ca dmv. Look up lic. requirements. You’ll find non commercial wt class requirements. Since they’re not cdl matters the state can enforce their lic requirements IF they choose. Only the CHP knows and you may get multiple answers from multiple troopers. Just like here. One trooper may let you go while the next tows your rig and says “ I’ll see you in court”. Foggy, ain’t it. The only thing that isn’t are the regs for RVs. Everybody wants tourist $$$$. I guess your not as dead if you get run over by a class A motor home, or a guy towing a 40 ft 5vr.
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