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Thanks for all the thoughts! Yes they have been broken down many times because I get them road force balanced and the machine always makes you rotate them back because it senses where the heaviest part of the tire needs to be on the rim. And I watch every time and they just break the bead on both sides, rotate them back without any lube and rebalance them and then there smooth for awhile till they move. Just very confusing to me

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I suspected my dually was doing this. The tires were mounted dry. The tires are Cooper Maxx ST. I brought it up in another thread and was told there was no way they would rotate on stock wheels with the stock size. But, i kept throwing weights and i broke every clip holding the front wheel skins on. I think i lost 12-16+ weights and when they came off they came off hard and sounded like bullets hitting under the truck. I did not want to hit someone on a bike or put one through someones windshield or a rear fender on the truck so i did solid non biodegradable air soft pellets.
I did one container from Walmart which contained 5000 and divided them among six wheels. I got the heaviest grain i could. I used a digital scale to divide them up to the weight required for my tire size plus some more to match the weight of the tire and steel wheel. So essentially i matched the bead weight to the tire size and whole assembly weight. My required weight per tire worked out exactly perfect using one full container otherwise i would have gotten a second or had some left over.
When the truck would throw a weight the truck would shake. As it tossed more it got worse. The air soft pellets worked perfectly. I have absolutely no shaking anymore.
Discount tire did the mounting and balancing and rebalancing. I plan to drill a hole in the tire and remove the beads before taking it in for new tires. Not sure how they would handle 5000 hard pellets on their floor. I plan to reuse the pellets.
Here is what i bought and each bag had this amount. I broke the bead by laying the tire under my hitch. Then using the jack broke the bead with the Schrader valve removed and poured the beads in. Set bead and aired up. Very easy.


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I say i suspect my wheels were spinning in the tire because i would have a dust mark where the weight was and the weight was moving and moving its dust mark until it flew off.

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Thanks Jared, I may have to try that. How do you figure out the correct amount of weight for a tire wheel combo? It seems like they rotate mostly just when I'm towing
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Anyone ever tried the bead glue? Haven't researched just heard it's something available
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I contacted the bead manufacturers. The glass and ceramic manufacturers. They recommended 6-8 ozs per assembly. They also said 10 oz would be fine. I looked at my records just now and i did 8oz each front tire. 8oz each rear outer and 6oz each inner tire. There are graphs online based on tire size. My issue is my steel dually wheels and these cooper ST maxx are heavy. This meant adding a couple more ounces to compensate for the weight. Too much weight within reason is ok. Too little weight and the assembly may not get balanced without more weight. This all terrain would take more to balance due to its weight than a thinner highway tire for example. Same for lighter wheels.
I will say this that i really like these beads. The tires always feel smooth. Rolling the tire off the truck you can hear the beads. I cant hear them with the truck running. I have had no TPIS sensor issues due to beads bouncing around. Since these are not biodegradable they wont break down or clump ever. I think the always balanced aspect will keep wear to a minimum as opposed to a tire that is always shaking.
The only weird thing is if i hit a bad, real bad, bump at speed they come unbalanced for like half a second. I only notice it when the truck bottoms out at highway speed. Then just a fraction of a second later they are rebalanced. If a guy was driving this truck and was not trying to feel the beads they would never know. And, these things were like $10.

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I'd be more inclined to fix the problem than masking it.

There's no reason a tire should turn on a wheel, unless lubed with the wrong stuff or run at really low pressures.
For example, somehow Hellcats, Demons, Corvettes and such, aren't having those issues, and that's with comparatively low tire pressures and more power.

OP, are those tires made in China by any chance, or maybe six years old and hard by now?

Maybe if we start telling people that the brain is an app, they will start using it?

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Here are results of my research.
1) The airsoft pellets must be seamless. The seamed ones break apart.
2) The pellets must be solid.
3) The pellets need to be non biodegradable. If they are biodegradable the moisture will start to break them down and they will clump.
4) the .25 ones work best. The lighter ones also work but they will not be able to stack if there is a bad out of balance condition. The heavier ones take less surface area when dispersing to offset an imbalance.
5)Donít use BBís. The coating wears off and they rust into a ball and dusty powder.
I have found little information on the forum in regards to using these. There is a lot of information online in the jeep community and for older trucks. I figured i could be our test case.
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I'd be more inclined to fix the problem than masking it.



There's no reason a tire should turn on a wheel, unless lubed with the wrong stuff or run at really low pressures.

For example, somehow Hellcats, Demons, Corvettes and such, aren't having those issues, and that's with comparatively low tire pressures and more power.



OP, are those tires made in China by any chance, or maybe six years old and hard by now?


In my case i was thinking it was while i was breaking heavily. The truck weighs a lot and my traction was pretty good. But, i agree the tires should never move. I am pretty sure mine were or still are.
Yes, my fronts moved more and that axle is never powered.

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I would like to fix the problem of i could but if it takes getting bead locks I will try masking it first to at least use up the two sets of tires I have... I put on 35k miles a yr so there not old. One set is Cooper at3 295/70 and other set on alloy wheels are nitto ridge grappler 305/65
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Thanks for all the thoughts! Yes they have been broken down many times because I get them road force balanced and the machine always makes you rotate them back because it senses where the heaviest part of the tire needs to be on the rim. And I watch every time and they just break the bead on both sides, rotate them back without any lube and rebalance them and then there smooth for awhile till they move. Just very confusing to me
Well then it sounds like you better never have to slam on your brakes either because the force placed on the front tires scrubbing across the ground with a couple tons shoving them downward is guaranteed to cause your tires to slip on the rim like porn star scene.
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Mine are just the rears moving. If post a Pic but it always just says failed to upload
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