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Drove a lot of cars/trucks in the PA snow. What is bad is other drivers and ice storms. Driving a 2500 lifted 4x4 on 35's with a rear Detrioit locker that is fun.

This is just my opinion. The OP must decide for himself.


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If i could swap out my 2500 for a dually for 2500 bucks I would do it in a heart beat. Running empty I love the 2500. Towing I hate the coil springs. Even though my trailer is only 9000 lbs loaded I would rather have four wheels back there for better stability. I have been towing for almost 40 yrs and for me this is the least stable truck I have towed with.
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If i could swap out my 2500 for a dually for 2500 bucks I would do it in a heart beat. Running empty I love the 2500. Towing I hate the coil springs. Even though my trailer is only 9000 lbs loaded I would rather have four wheels back there for better stability. I have been towing for almost 40 yrs and for me this is the least stable truck I have towed with.
That's interesting. Towing our trailer (granted it only weighs about ~6300 lbs), it feels rock solid. I hardly notice it back there, even in cross winds.

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As stated it's a no brainer get the 3500 dually for towing anything of weight. I use my dually to drag my 10 ton 5th wheel RV around and it makes towing very stable and relaxing.
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this is the least stable truck I have towed with.
I'd be interested to know what you've towed and what you towed it with that makes your newer 2500 look so bad. I'm no heavy haul decorated veteran by any means, but of all the trucks I've pulled trailers with my 15' is hands down the best truck I've owned/used for towing.

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I'd be interested to know what you've towed and what you towed it with that makes your newer 2500 look so bad. I'm no heavy haul decorated veteran by any means, but of all the trucks I've pulled trailers with my 15' is hands down the best truck I've owned/used for towing.
I have towed with everything form a 1966 International half ton truck to and 18 wheeler. My latest trucks were a 2006 Ram 2500 5.7 gasser. That was just gutless. Then a 2005 Ram 2500 5.9 CCLB 2wheel drive. That truck pulled very nice and stable, even with the 12,000 lb toy hauler I was pulling. Now the 2018 the 6.7 and 68RE are a great improvement over the 05. It is the soft rear suspension that does not hold up to the rest of the driveline.

Now I know I can always add bags or rubber bumper suspension aids, it just sucks that the trucks that I pulled with back in the 80's and 90's suspension wise did better then a 2018. As I said empty as a daily driver it has a great ride, just too soft for pulling. I wish I could afford a higher model with the factory air ride but I can't. So in the end I will live with what I have until I retire and get the bigger 5er and a dually.

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As you can see from my earlier post I still prefer the dually, but on these rear coil sprung 2500's airbags do help. I had a set of airlift 5000's on mine with the wireless compressor, it definitely made a difference. Mostly with rough transitions coming off of bridges or things of that nature.

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Sounds like the "best" answer is a SRW 3500. That is what I use to pull my 42' fifth wheel, and daily drive. Feels great with the trailer behind it. Over 100,000 miles on it and I couldn't be happier.

I know that wasn't the original question but that is my .02.
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Sounds like the "best" answer is a SRW 3500. That is what I use to pull my 42' fifth wheel, and daily drive. Feels great with the trailer behind it. Over 100,000 miles on it and I couldn't be happier.

I know that wasn't the original question but that is my .02.
Rock-solid advice.

I have a SRW CCLB and can't even imagine having a DRW. One can learn to live with the dually in their area (no drive-thrus, ATMs, etc.) or maybe they live in a rural setting, but you have to consider you'll be traveling with your 5er a lot, to a lot of different places. Most tourist spots are simply not made for big trucks. It's one thing to have to park at the back of the lot at Walmart, another when you have to park a few blocks away from your destination at tourist areas - it will get old really quick

DRW would "technically" be more stable, but I tow 40' 5er and have zero stability issues or any other truck capability issues.

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I've driven my buddy's dually in the snow and it won't make it up a 1% grade in 2WD. Even with 300lbs of sand in the bed.

I can't get it to stay pointed in one direction on a less-than-perfect road. Wants to wander all over the place. He had his front end checked out and they said it was darn near perfect.

Maybe it's the F-350's???
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They suck. I mean, they really, really, really suck. I know that's gonna make the owners of them in here mad as a wet hen but I'm telling you...... They suck. (ETA: When they're not loaded) Just my totally worthless opinion.

Look at the specs on virtualy every car ever made. Know what they have in common?

The Front Track is almost always wider than the rear track.

There's a reason for that. A big reason. Handling.

Then there's the parking. And the tires.

Some people love driving a dually. But, some people go swimming in frozen lakes, too.

If you NEED a dually, get one. Nothing else will do the trick.

If you don't NEED one, you've got my 2 cents.

Which is about what it's worth.

Good luck and do what's best for you. Don't listen to me.

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Ask a couple of Dually owners how much fun they are in the snow
I've owned two dually trucks, which were used for pulling heavy equipment or gooseneck trailers, but were also my daily drivers. I'm currently driving a RAM 3500 dually with a 6-speed manual as my daily driver.

I've also owned 4 other heavy duty, SRW trucks. I feel like I can compare. Frankly, they don't drive any different! I live in northern New England. We get nearly 100" of snow on average annually. The dually goes as well in snow as the SRW. To be honest, my SRW trucks also could get no traction in snow without significant weight in the bed. Neither can the dually. In 4WD, they go very well. With either my SRW or DRW trucks, I'd put 1000lbs of sand in the bed. Even with that they didn't go great in 2WD. But suffice it to say, in 4WD, a dually goes just as well in snow as a SRW. The skinnier tires actually provide better traction. Parking? Yeah, it can be tougher. A skilled driver can still fit in most places; otherwise, you get a little more exercise. But if we are honest, if you can't fit a dually in, you're probably not fitting a crew cab HD SRW truck in either.

Tires? They are smaller and less expensive. There are 6 of them, but expect a long tread life.

Handling? Yeah, the dually handles better. And less likely to roll over.

Some people just aren't comfortable driving a larger truck, but in reality these are great rigs. I love mine and going forward I'll always have a dually.

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Have you towed your 5er with a dually? I had no concerns when I had my 2500 pulling my 5er either. I just didn't realize how much more stability there is when you move to a dually.

To the OP, if I were in your shoes I'd buy the dually considering it's a $2500 difference, it is definitely the correct tool for your future plans. Although one thing to consider that I didn't.... Property taxes. We have property tax on our vehicles. Because of the GVWR on the dually I am now taxed at a commercial rate even though it's for personal use. My property tax on my 2014 2500 was about $600/year. This dually is $1968/year. I almost had a heart attack, but nothing I can do about it other than sell the truck.


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Rock-solid advice.

I have a SRW CCLB and can't even imagine having a DRW. One can learn to live with the dually in their area (no drive-thrus, ATMs, etc.) or maybe they live in a rural setting, but you have to consider you'll be traveling with your 5er a lot, to a lot of different places. Most tourist spots are simply not made for big trucks. It's one thing to have to park at the back of the lot at Walmart, another when you have to park a few blocks away from your destination at tourist areas - it will get old really quick

DRW would "technically" be more stable, but I tow 40' 5er and have zero stability issues or any other truck capability issues.
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I have towed with everything form a 1966 International half ton truck to and 18 wheeler. My latest trucks were a 2006 Ram 2500 5.7 gasser. That was just gutless. Then a 2005 Ram 2500 5.9 CCLB 2wheel drive. That truck pulled very nice and stable, even with the 12,000 lb toy hauler I was pulling. Now the 2018 the 6.7 and 68RE are a great improvement over the 05. It is the soft rear suspension that does not hold up to the rest of the driveline.

Now I know I can always add bags or rubber bumper suspension aids, it just sucks that the trucks that I pulled with back in the 80's and 90's suspension wise did better then a 2018. As I said empty as a daily driver it has a great ride, just too soft for pulling. I wish I could afford a higher model with the factory air ride but I can't. So in the end I will live with what I have until I retire and get the bigger 5er and a dually.
Well I don't wanna derail this thread much more, comparing any suspension from an 80's or 90's 3/4 ton to a 2018 3/4 might be a good discussion. I'll say this, my 1995 2500 felt alittle spongier in the rear than my 2015 2500. I've pulled what I'm guessing was 27ish klbs (short trip) with the 15, which I wouldn't have even tried with my 95'. My rating towing capacity is somewhere around 17klbs and I can confidently say this truck is comfortable on the highway with 22klbs.

I just don't see the argument for the coils being too soft for pulling, I will admit that they do feel soft if I hit a bump or drop in the road. Maybe some stiffer shocks would help control that, but I'm empty way more than I'm loaded so I'll live with it. Seriously though, I've had a soaking wet pallet of treated 3/4 plywood in the back and was still off the bump stops and that was probably well above my 2590 pay load capacity.

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