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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 01-22-2020, 12:22 AM Thread Starter
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I've Had it with the 2019 1/2 ton Wanna Come Back.

Ok so I have had my 2019 ram 1500 for about 14 months now and I have HAD IT WITH THIS UNRELIABLE Pile O Blank. I drive a mix of short and long miles. (3-4 weeks of short driving one week then the others out on the highway for 200 plus miles the next and with the fact that I've herd that the 6.7's can have issues , I said CAN have them I am looking at a pre DPF. I've owned 2 common rails, A 05 bought brand new and my 06 I bought 4 years ago that got involved in a wreck with. The '19 has just been an unreliable mess and I just want to be back in a good ol' 5.9L . I am being very specific on what I want as far as trim levels and transmissions. and I wanted a refresher on the 5.9. I am aware this is in the 03-07 Common Rail section. So lets start.

I've heard that the 03's are to an extent "Better" due to not having 7th injection event on #6 Exhaust. True or False.
I've heard that the NV Transmissions are "Better" under power the the G56 is (Mainly the clutch no biggy. just an excuse to upgrade for more power)

but I have looked at the power numbers and noticed that the auto 03 makes around the same power as a VP44 Truck. However the VP Trucks have lift pump problems and I don't think the common rail trucks have as big of an issue. I am primarily looking for just the cleanest truck I can find. So far I've found 3 trucks. One is 12 Valve 1 owner truck local to me and the dash isn't cracked and it has 135K with a NV4500 however he thinks because It's a CA Truck and A clean one at that it's worth $35,500 I'de offer him 18k right now. it's just not worth it for the year I think.

Then I've never really been around the VP Trucks. What I know outside of the injection pump failing it's just looking out for the 53 Block. however is that a real concern these days. or would they be pretty much fixed if they can be?

Last one is the 03-07: 03 Auto is sunspots to be the same power as vp trucks and has a 47RE and I think 285HP for the CA Model then you have the 305 HP Model with a Manual. I have called around to a few tuning shops to asked about these older trucks and they either tell me to just buy new or don't spend more that 6500 bucks. however in CA our trucks seem to live forever out here as long as it didn't live near the beach.

Then wee have the 05-07 well we owned a 05 when new till 2011 then I bought my 06 in 2017. but I think I've decided I want a manual. I will keep everyone updated as I slowly make my way back into a Cummins again. I primarily just want to learn about the Manual Transmissions and what the best year to buy is. should I get a VP NV56 or a Common Rail With the NV or a Common G56?

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To make it easy what I'm asking is lets say I find a 01-02 VP Truck for 15k with 150-160k and then I find a 03 with similar features i.e. Laramie Leather Seat Trucks and milage. Do i stay away from one or the other? and why.
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I can't speak for the VP44 trucks, but have plenty experience with CR engines (have an early 04 and used to work for cummins as a factory engineer). 03-04 trucks are void of emissions equipment, 04.5 saw new injectors with a different spray pattern to start doing in-cylinder emissions tuning. This translates to hotter in cylinder temps when you get to tuning it. But really isn't much of a deal, just make sure the correct injectors are used if replaced. Id get a 03-04 or a pre-2009 6.7.

Regarding power, stock tuning sucks majorly. The 5.9s can handle 400hp and 725ft-lbs (at crank) without exceeding the design limits of the engine. I tuned my own when I had factory access to the ECM, just changing the throttle mapping makes a big difference. I think smarty is way to go for the earlier trucks, 05 and up can be tuned with EFI live I believe.
There are 2 power options stock, regular and HO IIRC its 285/305hp. Cali most likely didn't get the HO option. Zero hardware differences.
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EFI is 06+. HPTuners is preferred tuning for earlier trucks. Smarty if you want canned tuning, but custom tuning with HPTuners is drastically better. Saying that from experience having both.
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All the transmissions are fine for getting groceries.

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Ok So I'm between 2 trucks right now if it was your truck for daily driving and towing a 7500-10k trailer while still getting average econ. unlike the Hemi that gets 6 towing. 12 empty. (3.92's ftw) Which one? Both have there up's and downs. Primarily what dash will break easier. Both of the Dash boards are in tacked.

1996 12 Valve, want's $28,900 One owner 130k on clock and NV4500 I'de low ball him at like 25k.

2003 1st Year of Common rail. 47RE? or 48RE? 20k on the clock. Asking $ 35,000


96' 12 Valve, CA Smog Exempt, 1 Owner, Clean Inside, Intact Dash, All Stock from photo's, Has Original Window Sticker. Besides the Auto Transmission and Lack of 2nd/3rd Gen Tow Mirror's, NV4500, Less to fail. just to my knowledge is the ticking time bomb that will at some point be a shatter dash. and the KDP. which i don't think will be a huge issue right now.

03' Auto, Fully loaded SLT. Power Driver Seat. Steering Wheel Audio Controls. has 24,490 on the clock, should last quite a while. mine made it to 190k. has known cracking dash issues but shouldn't me that big of a issue and has known issues of HVAC System failing like my 06 had.

I am in CA and people think these older diesels are worth a lot more because they have less smog issues and are less likely to fail. however I Don't Care and I'm not spending 40 grand on a 03 or 30 Grand on a 1990's truck that probably sold for that NEW. That being said my current 2019 1/2 ton just keeps failing and it's trade in value is a straight trade for the 96. he has and yes my one year old truck lost 20 Grand already, but ram won't help.
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What would raise a red flag on the 03 sense it has such low miles. should it be a concern? thanks have a good day.
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If it was me? The '96 without any hesitation. No wires or foofer valves to create grief.

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I endorse rubberfish to replace Little JT, based on his truck pick alone.

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I would keep looking. That seems very overpriced for both.

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at those prices neither that is insane, period. you can get a new 2019 for $43. shop around.

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I concur with both the posts above.

Those prices are ridiculous, rust free Calif truck or not.

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