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Old 03-08-2011, 07:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
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DOT numbers on side of truck

How do I know if I need them?
Do I need a CDL to have DOT numbers?
Do I need DOT numbers to have a CDL?
If I put DOT numbers on the side of my truck, do I count as a commercial vehicle (For use on Parkways that have "No Trucks" signs.)
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1) if your commercial and crossing state lines for commerce.
2 n 3 are the same question and the answer is no
No trucks is usually a weight issue, but it also depends on the cop
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If you advertise a business name on your truck then you are commercial. Not sure on all states but commercial trucks have to have a DOT number. You can have a CDL without DOT numbers. If you use your truck to make money, example pull lawnmowers or a bobcat, they will consider you to be commercial. I have always had a CDL so I'm not to sure if you have to have a CDL to drive a commercial pickup. They have really cracked down on all these guys pulling lawnmowers and constuction stuff in Kentucky. You must carry commercial ins,log book,maintance records, DOT number,etc.
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Hypothetical situations that could happen with my truck:

1.) I'm driving to/from the track, hauling my track car... Somehow, I won a cash prize at the race.

2.) My buddy calls and tells me he blew a transmission, I go to haul his vehicle and he buys me a case of beer and slides me a $20 for fuel.

3.) I've got a load of drywall in the back. It's for a rental property that I'm fixing up, not for my own home.


In all three situations, technically, I'm getting some form of payment for using the truck. In a roundabout way, you can consider me making money with the truck... But I am not a company. Is this considered commercial use of the truck?

I am right on the edge of Virginia, into Washington D.C. and Maryland... Additionally, tracks I go to are located up and down the eastern seaboard. (Road Atlanta, Summit Point, Pocono Raceway, Carolina Motorsports Park, VIRginia International Raceway, Sebring, etc.) Let's say I'm hauling my buddy's car to/from one of those places... Or that I won at an out of state track.. Or that load of drywall was picked up at a Maryland store that was having a really good discount... Now it becomes Interstate Commerce... Does this change anything?

I'm definitely below the 26,001 lb limit required for a CDL. Trailer only has a 10,000 GVWR.


Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but I'm trying to follow the letter of the law 100%, because I think the DOT guys make a good bit of money offa people who don't know any better.
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If the above 3 options are the most that you will be doing , then i think you shouldnt really bother with the hassle of the #s. DOT #s will only get you noticed more. Now, if youre really hauling more often and for pay (there is always a side B to a story) , then dont try to get by without the proper paper work and authority. It can and will catch up to you !
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Nope, that's the most I'll ever be doing. I have a day job that pays the bills and if I need to drive for work, they provide the wheels.

Just making sure my ducks are in a row if I get pulled over by a trooper that's having a bad day.
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Hypothetical situations that could happen with my truck:

1.) I'm driving to/from the track, hauling my track car... Somehow, I won a cash prize at the race.

2.) My buddy calls and tells me he blew a transmission, I go to haul his vehicle and he buys me a case of beer and slides me a $20 for fuel.

3.) I've got a load of drywall in the back. It's for a rental property that I'm fixing up, not for my own home.


In all three situations, technically, I'm getting some form of payment for using the truck. In a roundabout way, you can consider me making money with the truck... But I am not a company. Is this considered commercial use of the truck?

I am right on the edge of Virginia, into Washington D.C. and Maryland... Additionally, tracks I go to are located up and down the eastern seaboard. (Road Atlanta, Summit Point, Pocono Raceway, Carolina Motorsports Park, VIRginia International Raceway, Sebring, etc.) Let's say I'm hauling my buddy's car to/from one of those places... Or that I won at an out of state track.. Or that load of drywall was picked up at a Maryland store that was having a really good discount... Now it becomes Interstate Commerce... Does this change anything?

I'm definitely below the 26,001 lb limit required for a CDL. Trailer only has a 10,000 GVWR.


Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but I'm trying to follow the letter of the law 100%, because I think the DOT guys make a good bit of money offa people who don't know any better.
Just tell them you are not making any money with said items and you will be fine. It is on them to prove otherwise which they will not take the time to do. Been down that road a few times with pull trucks.
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If you advertise a business name on your truck then you are commercial. Not sure on all states but commercial trucks have to have a DOT number. You can have a CDL without DOT numbers. If you use your truck to make money, example pull lawnmowers or a bobcat, they will consider you to be commercial. I have always had a CDL so I'm not to sure if you have to have a CDL to drive a commercial pickup. They have really cracked down on all these guys pulling lawnmowers and constuction stuff in Kentucky. You must carry commercial ins,log book,maintance records, DOT number,etc.
A vehicle with a company name on the side is commercial but as long as it doesnt meet the weight or hazmat requirements it doesnt require a dot #. Church buses and other 15 passenger vehicles require a cdlbut dont need dot #'s. If its used for a commercial purpose its the commercial ins thats needed by ins companies long before the dot #'s. Like i said before you dont need a cdl to drive joe blows lawn services truck and he doesnt need the #'s till he is over the weight requirements just the ins. You also dont need to run logs under a 150 air miles either. Maint records and such can stay at the office, you will how ever need a medical card for sure if your crossing state lines. Out of the 3 scenarios only the race care one would fall under the cdl stuff.
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How do I know if I need them?
Check the FMCSA site.

What is a USDOT Number? - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

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Do I need a CDL to have DOT numbers?
No.

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Do I need DOT numbers to have a CDL?
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2 n 3 are the same question and the answer is no
How is it the same question?
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because in root form they aske the same question because how could one be yes and the other no. But yes i forget you are the king
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