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***CD in NM*** · 08-29-2009, 11:53 AM

Here in New Mexico they have the Class E license for non-commercial drivers. Basically, what it is, is the same license as the Class A commercial but without the physical exam requirements. The Class E license coupled with higher GVW licensing covers the kind of problems that are being encountered over these kinds of issues.

Most all rental businesses do not pay for plates over 10K on any trailer. The reasoning behind this is that the average DL is only good for 3 axles in combination not to exceed a 10K tow. Since they rent to the average Joe with the average license, they do not see the need to increase the GVW on their equipment.

So, go out and rent a Bobcat that comes with trailer to transport it and more than likely just as the Bobcat sits on the trailer the combination of the two exceeds the plate.

CD

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87poweram · 08-29-2009, 12:02 PM

not sure on missouri law when not in commercial vehicle. but i do have a class B cdl and just found out from my wife that she transfered 6k plates to my dodge. these will be changed to 18k in june when plates are up. hope i dodge them until then. but how do they let her transfer 6k plates to a truck that weighs more than that empty?

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***bulldogbones*** · 08-29-2009, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TrueValue Truck

When I first started in the rental business , my plates were for 10K. When I renewed them the next year , the lady at the BMV asked me how much my trailer and equipment weighed.(small town where everyone knows everyone)
I told her most loads were around 12k. She suggested I get 22k plates so that's what I went to......she said the combined weight is what they would look at.
I have never weighed the truck , but a Mega with a tool box and 50 gallon transfer tank would come in at around 8500 I would guess.
I have never been stopped , but like some of you have said....with the states being broke , they're probably gona start cracking down.

My short bed with a toolbox with topped off weighed in at close to 8700lbs. Since you have the extra 50lb tank that adds 400lbs. Plus whatever the Mega cab addes. So I would guess that your 9000 easy.

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What bothers me most about this whole thing is the Law says:

Changes for Drivers with Current Class D Licenses. A driver with a Class D license can now operate a passenger vehicle, a limited use automobile, or:

A truck with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 26,000 lbs. or less. (Before, a Class D driver could only operate a vehicle with a GVWR of 18,000 lbs. or less.), and
A truck with a GVWR of 26,000 lbs. or less that tows another vehicle, and the other vehicle has a GVWR of 10,000 lbs. or less, and
A truck with a GVWR of 26,000 lbs. or less that tows another vehicle that has a GVWR of more than 10,000 lbs., but the gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of the two vehicles together must be 26,000 lbs. or less.

BUT what they don't tell you is yes you can operate a vehicle up to those weights but they dont tell you MAKE SURE YOUR RIG is licensed for what your going to be hauling. Basically it comes down to them getting there money.

So even though I have my Class A and used to drive log truck for a living. If I got in my truck and had a trailer hooked up and the load was to far forward pushing me over my registered weight, im screwed.

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RoadDog · 08-29-2009, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 87poweram

not sure on missouri law when not in commercial vehicle. but i do have a class B cdl and just found out from my wife that she transfered 6k plates to my dodge. these will be changed to 18k in june when plates are up. hope i dodge them until then. but how do they let her transfer 6k plates to a truck that weighs more than that empty?

Know that the class B is a non combination vehicle license. Class A is your combination vehicle license.
About your plates. The people that hand those out dont know or care about the vehicle they are going onto. You need to tell them the size plate you want. Your wife probably transfered the 6k plates because they were cheaper and the people at the clerks office didnt care to tell her the difference.

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smokenoise · 08-29-2009, 12:40 PM

just be glad they didnt fine you in south dakota. its a dollar a pound there

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***CD in NM*** · 08-29-2009, 12:52 PM

Class B covers the towing rig itself being over 26K but still has the 10K on what might be towed.

I agree about the DMV people NOT caring about how you license anything. I suppose it is assumed that you know what you are doing??? Fat chance on that assumption, eh?

Look at how many F150 guys are going down the road with the advertised "BEST PAYLOAD' truck on the market, it will really be something when they start getting into this roadside frenzy, eh? In fact, as I see it the DOT would have FAR GREATER REVENUE if they started on all these guys.

Then there is the stuff at the rental places where the minimum truck they will rent a trailer to is fastly becoming a 3/4 ton and up. And they will only rent equipment on trailers to 3/4 tons and up period. I suppose that is an insurance thing, but also because there have been many accidents when the truck itself is inadequate to tow. Then add in the DL stuff that is now being ticketed, soon they WILL be checking out your registration and drivers license because people will be suing the rental companies when they are ticketed. Actually, those type of law suits are what prompted the rental companies to set the 3/4 ton limits for renting trailers with equipment, soon all this stuff will put the rental companies out of business.

I fullly expect the DOT to become even more tougher, probably even more stringent and tougher laws, especially since the GREEN movement and their attitudes towards diesels in general. Right now I see a big-time imbalance, almost discriminatory, with the DOT stopping diesels vrs adding the gassers to the list of whose-who to be checking out - it should be ALL trucks regardless of fuel type.

CD

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***Dreadnaught*** · 08-29-2009, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TIsaacs

I was pulled over in Iowa with my truck and trailer and a State Trooper pulled in behind me the same way. Wanted to do a Level 3 examination on me and the truck and trailer. I asked him why and he started with this and that. Wanted to ask him if the examine required latex gloves. I informed him that the reason for my trip wasn't commercially related. He said he could push the issue, which I'm sure he could have, but was nice enough to let me go. On the way home I counted 5 trucks with small trailers pulled over at one time at one weigh station. At a fine like the OP's they have easy targets with pick-ups w/ trailers and the fines make quick, easy, and larger contributions to the states. Easier picking than speeders and such. A friend of mine repalced the brakes last month on his truck at the dealership, there was brake fluid residue on the front left and New York fined him $350.00. He sent a copy of the repair bill showing that the truck had been in the dealership the week before the ticket and they said he should have taken better care of his truck and thanked him for his contribution to the fine state of New York.

Tom

they catch me every time i go through a michigan scale in my semi. $650 every ticket (over length vechicle, and over length trailer), and they wonder why i run around them.

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Tom Diesel · 08-29-2009, 01:36 PM

Several years ago. One of my drivers was hauling a wide load of steel plate from PA to GA. NC trooper pulled him over...checked permit then measured load.

I cannot remember the exact dimensions but it was about 112"w. I got the permit however I converted wrong and ordered it with ONE INCH less than actual. $500.00 dollar fine and had to order new permit to boot.

What made me so mad about the ticket is this. I tried to comply with the laws and made a honest mistake. It did not put the load into another "class" being that one inch off, I could have understood that.

It cost more trying to run legal because I had to void the original permit plus one more, plus pay the fine. If I would have just told the driver to wing it, then it would have just been the fine.

Another irony was that when I ordered the second permit I told them we needed the exact same one except change width to ... and the NC permit office sent me back the wrong dimensions.

I called the NC DOT about it told them about the mistake on my part and about the second permit they messed up, but it didn't go anywhere.

Sorry for being long winded, but if you could not tell it makes me mad to this day.

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red dodge cummins · 08-29-2009, 01:44 PM

yeah north caarolina is hurting for money they stopped me in my big truck coming off black mountain 5 miles over the limit and wrote me a 170 ticket for it. tennessee is also cracking down on this i was at the pilot scaling my pickup out with the new gooseneck and tractor on it and hp officer that was there informed me that i needed to get weighted tags for my truck before i got stopped and recieved a ticket for being over weight on my tags.

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cumminz · 08-29-2009, 02:51 PM

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blacksmoke101 · 08-29-2009, 03:45 PM

as far as i know in wyoming you dont need weighted plates....ive never heard of these problems here

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parkers30 · 08-31-2009, 07:15 PM

Those sure don't look like 10k plus axles to me. Usually 5lug trailer axles are 3500lb or less.
I have been trying to be carefuly lately, but my our trailer is under plated, I just hope we don't catch any trouble with it.

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08-29-2009, 01:36 PM	#20 (permalink)
Tom Diesel Diesel Freak Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Montgomery, AL Posts: 521 Thanks: 8 Thanked 21 Times in 18 Posts Tom Diesel's Truck Pics	one inch cost me $500.00 Several years ago. One of my drivers was hauling a wide load of steel plate from PA to GA. NC trooper pulled him over...checked permit then measured load. I cannot remember the exact dimensions but it was about 112"w. I got the permit however I converted wrong and ordered it with *ONE INCH* less than actual. $500.00 dollar fine and had to order new permit to boot. What made me so mad about the ticket is this. I tried to comply with the laws and made a honest mistake. It did not put the load into another "class" being that one inch off, I could have understood that. It cost more trying to run legal because I had to void the original permit plus one more, plus pay the fine. If I would have just told the driver to wing it, then it would have just been the fine. Another irony was that when I ordered the second permit I told them we needed the exact same one except change width to ... and the NC permit office sent me back the wrong dimensions. I called the NC DOT about it told them about the mistake on my part and about the second permit they messed up, but it didn't go anywhere. Sorry for being long winded, but if you could not tell it makes me mad to this day. __________________ 07 6.7l 2500 Mega 4X4 auto, 3.73, EAGLE 114 CHROME, 305/55/20 Nitto A/T, De-badged, SMARTY, Volant PowerCore, 5" Magna Flow TBE, V-TEC

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08-29-2009, 11:53 AM	#13 (permalink)
*CD in NM* Diesel Freak Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Capitan, New Mexico Posts: 702 Thanks: 1 Thanked 20 Times in 19 Posts CD in NM's Truck Pics	Here in New Mexico they have the Class E license for non-commercial drivers. Basically, what it is, is the same license as the Class A commercial but without the physical exam requirements. The Class E license coupled with higher GVW licensing covers the kind of problems that are being encountered over these kinds of issues. Most all rental businesses do not pay for plates over 10K on any trailer. The reasoning behind this is that the average DL is only good for 3 axles in combination not to exceed a 10K tow. Since they rent to the average Joe with the average license, they do not see the need to increase the GVW on their equipment. So, go out and rent a Bobcat that comes with trailer to transport it and more than likely just as the Bobcat sits on the trailer the combination of the two exceeds the plate. CD __________________ 2006 Dodge 3500 SLT MC, 6-spd, 3.73 L/S, 4x4, SRW. ISSPRO gauges, Opie, Ice Box,Blue Hose,GDP intake horn,Fab Shop Header, PacBrake,ME. Amsoil BMK-11, GDP 2-micron-big lines. KORE Leveling, MaxxLinks, DefiantSS and shield, RideRites, Helwig Sway,H2's/BFG315's,MagHytek-F/R. Road Armor-Mile Marker, RanchHand HeadacheRack and rear bumper, PopUp GN, Prodigy, Galaxy DX94HP-Wilson 1K roofmount.

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08-29-2009, 12:02 PM	#14 (permalink)
87poweram Cummins Fan Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: troy,mo Posts: 77 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts 87poweram's Truck Pics	not sure on missouri law when not in commercial vehicle. but i do have a class B cdl and just found out from my wife that she transfered 6k plates to my dodge. these will be changed to 18k in june when plates are up. hope i dodge them until then. but how do they let her transfer 6k plates to a truck that weighs more than that empty? __________________ 98 24V qcsb. 4" mbrp, bhaf w/stainless shield, raptor 100, FlashPaq, isspro column mount fuel pressure.

08-29-2009, 12:40 PM	#17 (permalink)
smokenoise Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: gillette WY Posts: 191 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts smokenoise's Truck Pics	just be glad they didnt fine you in south dakota. its a dollar a pound there __________________ 2007 5.9, SB QC, leveled w/35's, valair clutch, home made cat delete, dynomax straight muffler, grid heater delete, S&B intake with no silencer ring. quad boost fooler. arson cp3 kit. autometer cobalt pyro, boost, fuel pressure. PPE gets things smokin!!

08-29-2009, 12:52 PM	#18 (permalink)
*CD in NM* Diesel Freak Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Capitan, New Mexico Posts: 702 Thanks: 1 Thanked 20 Times in 19 Posts CD in NM's Truck Pics	Class B covers the towing rig itself being over 26K but still has the 10K on what might be towed. I agree about the DMV people NOT caring about how you license anything. I suppose it is assumed that you know what you are doing??? Fat chance on that assumption, eh? Look at how many F150 guys are going down the road with the advertised "BEST PAYLOAD' truck on the market, it will really be something when they start getting into this roadside frenzy, eh? In fact, as I see it the DOT would have FAR GREATER REVENUE if they started on all these guys. Then there is the stuff at the rental places where the minimum truck they will rent a trailer to is fastly becoming a 3/4 ton and up. And they will only rent equipment on trailers to 3/4 tons and up period. I suppose that is an insurance thing, but also because there have been many accidents when the truck itself is inadequate to tow. Then add in the DL stuff that is now being ticketed, soon they WILL be checking out your registration and drivers license because people will be suing the rental companies when they are ticketed. Actually, those type of law suits are what prompted the rental companies to set the 3/4 ton limits for renting trailers with equipment, soon all this stuff will put the rental companies out of business. I fullly expect the DOT to become even more tougher, probably even more stringent and tougher laws, especially since the GREEN movement and their attitudes towards diesels in general. Right now I see a big-time imbalance, almost discriminatory, with the DOT stopping diesels vrs adding the gassers to the list of whose-who to be checking out - it should be ALL trucks regardless of fuel type. CD __________________ 2006 Dodge 3500 SLT MC, 6-spd, 3.73 L/S, 4x4, SRW. ISSPRO gauges, Opie, Ice Box,Blue Hose,GDP intake horn,Fab Shop Header, PacBrake,ME. Amsoil BMK-11, GDP 2-micron-big lines. KORE Leveling, MaxxLinks, DefiantSS and shield, RideRites, Helwig Sway,H2's/BFG315's,MagHytek-F/R. Road Armor-Mile Marker, RanchHand HeadacheRack and rear bumper, PopUp GN, Prodigy, Galaxy DX94HP-Wilson 1K roofmount.

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red dodge cummins Newbie Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: seymour tn Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts red dodge cummins's Truck Pics	yeah north caarolina is hurting for money they stopped me in my big truck coming off black mountain 5 miles over the limit and wrote me a 170 ticket for it. tennessee is also cracking down on this i was at the pilot scaling my pickup out with the new gooseneck and tractor on it and hp officer that was there informed me that i needed to get weighted tags for my truck before i got stopped and recieved a ticket for being over weight on my tags. __________________ 07 quad cab 4x4 auto, k&n cold air intake, 4 in straight pipe

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blacksmoke101 Diesel Freak Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: cheyenne, wy Posts: 734 Thanks: 49 Thanked 26 Times in 22 Posts blacksmoke101's Truck Pics	as far as i know in wyoming you dont need weighted plates....ive never heard of these problems here __________________ Had:24v. Little of this and that 09 6.7l S&B CAI EGR deleted 5" TBE Smarty Boost, Egt, Fuel ISSPROS now accepting donations to the po boy fund!

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parkers30 Cummins Nut Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Peoria, IL Posts: 499 Thanks: 2 Thanked 10 Times in 9 Posts parkers30's Truck Pics	Those sure don't look like 10k plus axles to me. Usually 5lug trailer axles are 3500lb or less. I have been trying to be carefuly lately, but my our trailer is under plated, I just hope we don't catch any trouble with it. __________________ '06 QCSB 4x4 G56 3.73, BFG AT, PMT, Quadzilla BF, Isspro EV2 Boost and Fuel Press, FTE Resonator, center console swapped, SB 3600DD. 76k Last edited by parkers30 : 08-31-2009 at 07:20 PM.