Michelin --> Nitto

***R-N-R*** · 04-14-2007, 12:02 PM

I have tried two sets of Michelin and don't seem to get very good mileage out of them. they are also not very good in the wet or snow (2wd) for me either. Even though I am very conscience about not spinning the tires, I figure the trucks' power and my driving habits are not helping tire wear. I am thinking about trying out the Nitto Terra Grapplers. Anybody have input for me on this?

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'02 2500, 2WD, 4.10, QC LB Cap, Bilstein, Gauges
DTT, AFE, PDR Boots ARP, B1-2, MagnaFlow, GRAND ROCK, Drag Comp, Regulated Fuel Delivery, IIS HRVP, M4.5, HTT
28' 6500# Sunline TT, Hensley, Prodigy

***WICKED DIESELS*** · 04-14-2007, 12:48 PM

What tire pressures were you running? were they wearing evenly? what sizes?

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05 2500 Sport 2 TURBOS, CAM, SPRINGS, STUDS, BIG STICKS, DRAGONSLAYER CP3, C5 MP8 AND PROGRAMMER, BILLET TRANNY, LIFT 37'S

***R-N-R*** · 04-14-2007, 05:06 PM

I run mostly unloaded at 55/60 with very little highway driving, and 65/70 loaded with mostly highway driving. Yes they are wearing evenly, just seem to go through tread pdq. LT265/75R16 Michelin LTX

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'02 2500, 2WD, 4.10, QC LB Cap, Bilstein, Gauges
DTT, AFE, PDR Boots ARP, B1-2, MagnaFlow, GRAND ROCK, Drag Comp, Regulated Fuel Delivery, IIS HRVP, M4.5, HTT
28' 6500# Sunline TT, Hensley, Prodigy

jimbobbilly · 04-14-2007, 06:25 PM

I found the michelin ltx's that come stock are a bunch of garbage...worst tire that could come on a torquey truck in the rain...went up a slight hill when it started raining...slick asphalt=

with the least throttle input...it threw me sideways when it shifted...went to some small company...something like Wildcat radial a/t or something like that...here's a link Wildcat A/T (LT) by Dean - Vulcan Tire Sales 15 thousand on em rotated twice already...looking like at least another 25k

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06black2500 · 04-18-2007, 04:56 PM

i have a buddy that runs the toyo open country at's on his duramax and he loves them says they run very well on wet and snowy surfaces. they are very simailar to the nitto terra grapplers in tread pattern

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97bankspower · 04-18-2007, 05:08 PM

well comparing michelins to nittos you are going to get a lot better mileage out of the michelins which are going to ride better as well but the are not going to have the traction of a nitto terra grappler since that is an all terrain tire but if you want to go to the nitto i would go ahead and spend a little bit more money and get the toyo since it is the same company as nitto but toyo tires have more technology in the tire. as for a wildcat who makes a tire called a wildcat?????

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DORKWEED · 04-18-2007, 06:03 PM

Strange, I couldn't hardly wear out the stock Michelins that came on my '99. They were LTX M&S LT245/75 16E's and I got 125,000 miles off of the stockers!!! That's right, 125,000 miles!!!

Most of that was highway miles. And if I were real daring, I could've gotten 150,000 miles, but I was going into winter and I bit the bug and put on a set of Coopers!! I've got 56,000 miles on my 04.5 now with the Michelin LTX AS LT265/70 17E's and I can probably get about another 20k miles out of them. Great wearing tires, just not great in snow or wet roads!!

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***R-N-R*** · 04-18-2007, 09:17 PM

Interesting feedback, that is why I posted

In hindsight, I was unfair with my appraisal of the Michelin tires. I failed to mention that my first set wearing out in 25k was entirely my fault! However I have been very careful with the 2nd and current set. Even though they are wearing evenly, could they have worn prematurely from under inflating them?

I like the price of the wildcats, but prefer something with more feedback.

That is a good tip about the Nitto/Toyo relationship. I had already have received a couple of good recommendations on the Toyo. Traction is only an issue for me about 14-21 days a year during winter. Wet roads are not great either but I can usually keep things under control by being careful with the throttle. Would you guys consider the Michelins to provide longer wear over the Toyos?

btw DW, 125k-150k is awesome, I think I may need driving lessons from you!

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'02 2500, 2WD, 4.10, QC LB Cap, Bilstein, Gauges
DTT, AFE, PDR Boots ARP, B1-2, MagnaFlow, GRAND ROCK, Drag Comp, Regulated Fuel Delivery, IIS HRVP, M4.5, HTT
28' 6500# Sunline TT, Hensley, Prodigy

***gstanfield*** · 04-18-2007, 09:32 PM

The terra grapplers are good tires. My boss runs them on our shop truck and has almost 50,000 miles on this set (265/75 R16's) with a fair amount of heavy towing, but a completely gutless GM 6.0 gasser)

George

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**RobertP** · 04-19-2007, 01:38 PM

i have the terra grapplers on my truck. they really have great traction in all weather. i have less than 21,000 miles on them and have rotated them every 5,000 miles. i most likely wont get another 3,000 out of them. i will not buy them again. im looking at buying the BFG ATKO's. i want a tire that i can get at least 35,000 out of.

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surfram · 04-19-2007, 02:06 PM

I have approx. 33,000 miles on my 285/70/17D BFG AT KOs and they look like they will easily go another 20,000 miles. I run 65psi(sidewall max) all of the time and rotate every 7,500 miles.

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jimbobbilly · 04-19-2007, 03:12 PM

with 30k miles on em I'm looking for some 30k odd more miles off of em. Great in the rain...alright in sand...can't say much for snow...not the greatest slimy mud tire...but that's why you do more of this

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04-14-2007, 12:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
*R-N-R* Free spirit Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Marysville, MI Posts: 2,870 R-N-R's Truck Pics	Michelin --> Nitto I have tried two sets of Michelin and don't seem to get very good mileage out of them. they are also not very good in the wet or snow (2wd) for me either. Even though I am very conscience about not spinning the tires, I figure the trucks' power and my driving habits are not helping tire wear. I am thinking about trying out the Nitto Terra Grapplers. Anybody have input for me on this? __________________ '02 2500, 2WD, 4.10, QC LB Cap, Bilstein, Gauges DTT, AFE, PDR Boots ARP, B1-2, MagnaFlow, GRAND ROCK, Drag Comp, Regulated Fuel Delivery, IIS HRVP, M4.5, HTT 28' 6500# Sunline TT, Hensley, Prodigy

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04-14-2007, 12:48 PM	#2 (permalink)
*WICKED DIESELS* Pushing the limits Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: sw VA, nw NC, se KY, ne TN, sw W VA Posts: 1,905 WICKED DIESELS's Truck Pics	What tire pressures were you running? were they wearing evenly? what sizes? __________________ 02 2500 Sport SB 3850, DRAG COMP, 2 TURBOS, BIG STIX, BIG PUMP, STUDS, SPRINGS, CAM, WATER INJ, ARB AIR LOCKERS, O RINGS, LIFT 35'S 05 2500 Sport 2 TURBOS, CAM, SPRINGS, STUDS, BIG STICKS, DRAGONSLAYER CP3, C5 MP8 AND PROGRAMMER, BILLET TRANNY, LIFT 37'S

04-14-2007, 05:06 PM	#3 (permalink)
*R-N-R* Free spirit Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Marysville, MI Posts: 2,870 R-N-R's Truck Pics	I run mostly unloaded at 55/60 with very little highway driving, and 65/70 loaded with mostly highway driving. Yes they are wearing evenly, just seem to go through tread pdq. LT265/75R16 Michelin LTX __________________ '02 2500, 2WD, 4.10, QC LB Cap, Bilstein, Gauges DTT, AFE, PDR Boots ARP, B1-2, MagnaFlow, GRAND ROCK, Drag Comp, Regulated Fuel Delivery, IIS HRVP, M4.5, HTT 28' 6500# Sunline TT, Hensley, Prodigy

04-14-2007, 06:25 PM	#4 (permalink)
jimbobbilly Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 104 jimbobbilly's Truck Pics	I found the michelin ltx's that come stock are a bunch of garbage...worst tire that could come on a torquey truck in the rain...went up a slight hill when it started raining...slick asphalt= with the least throttle input...it threw me sideways when it shifted...went to some small company...something like Wildcat radial a/t or something like that...here's a link Wildcat A/T (LT) by Dean - Vulcan Tire Sales 15 thousand on em rotated twice already...looking like at least another 25k __________________ 91 D250 3 inch str8 pipe smoke screw turned www.competitiondiesel.com www.powerstroke.org

04-18-2007, 04:56 PM	#5 (permalink)
06black2500 Cummins Fan Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ogden, UT Posts: 88 06black2500's Truck Pics	i have a buddy that runs the toyo open country at's on his duramax and he loves them says they run very well on wet and snowy surfaces. they are very simailar to the nitto terra grapplers in tread pattern __________________ First Diesel and loving it 2006 Dodge 2500 QC Bighorn Edition, k&n intake w/amsoil filter, MBRP cool duals, Edge Juice w/Attitude, Silencer ring gone, puck lift, 285x70x17

04-18-2007, 05:08 PM	#6 (permalink)
97bankspower Cummins Fan Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 56 97bankspower's Truck Pics	well comparing michelins to nittos you are going to get a lot better mileage out of the michelins which are going to ride better as well but the are not going to have the traction of a nitto terra grappler since that is an all terrain tire but if you want to go to the nitto i would go ahead and spend a little bit more money and get the toyo since it is the same company as nitto but toyo tires have more technology in the tire. as for a wildcat who makes a tire called a wildcat????? __________________ 1997 2500, CTD, cc, lb, 4x4, banks powerpack(twin ram intake, big head wastegate, quick spool turbo) 3 in straight pipe side dump, K&N intake, starwheel turned up about half way, boost and egt gauges, 38 psi.

04-18-2007, 06:03 PM	#7 (permalink)
DORKWEED Diesel Head Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: "The Peoples Republic of Illinois".....behind enemy lines Posts: 1,885 DORKWEED's Truck Pics	Strange, I couldn't hardly wear out the stock Michelins that came on my '99. They were LTX M&S LT245/75 16E's and I got 125,000 miles off of the stockers!!! That's right, 125,000 miles!!! Most of that was highway miles. And if I were real daring, I could've gotten 150,000 miles, but I was going into winter and I bit the bug and put on a set of Coopers!! I've got 56,000 miles on my 04.5 now with the Michelin LTX AS LT265/70 17E's and I can probably get about another 20k miles out of them. Great wearing tires, just not great in snow or wet roads!! __________________ NRA LIFE MEMBER

04-18-2007, 09:17 PM	#8 (permalink)
*R-N-R* Free spirit Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Marysville, MI Posts: 2,870 R-N-R's Truck Pics	Interesting feedback, that is why I posted In hindsight, I was unfair with my appraisal of the Michelin tires. I failed to mention that my first set wearing out in 25k was entirely my fault! However I have been very careful with the 2nd and current set. Even though they are wearing evenly, could they have worn prematurely from under inflating them? I like the price of the wildcats, but prefer something with more feedback. That is a good tip about the Nitto/Toyo relationship. I had already have received a couple of good recommendations on the Toyo. Traction is only an issue for me about 14-21 days a year during winter. Wet roads are not great either but I can usually keep things under control by being careful with the throttle. Would you guys consider the Michelins to provide longer wear over the Toyos? btw DW, 125k-150k is awesome, I think I may need driving lessons from you! __________________ '02 2500, 2WD, 4.10, QC LB Cap, Bilstein, Gauges DTT, AFE, PDR Boots ARP, B1-2, MagnaFlow, GRAND ROCK, Drag Comp, Regulated Fuel Delivery, IIS HRVP, M4.5, HTT 28' 6500# Sunline TT, Hensley, Prodigy

04-18-2007, 09:32 PM	#9 (permalink)
*gstanfield* Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Rolling Hills, WY Posts: 800 gstanfield's Truck Pics	The terra grapplers are good tires. My boss runs them on our shop truck and has almost 50,000 miles on this set (265/75 R16's) with a fair amount of heavy towing, but a completely gutless GM 6.0 gasser) George __________________ 1997 2500 ext cab long bed 4x4 Boost control elbow, KDP tabbed, silncer ring MIA, Z-series gauges, 47RE built w/valve body & converter, #100 plate.

04-19-2007, 01:38 PM	#10 (permalink)
RobertP MD Chapter President Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ellicott City,md. Shop based out of Southern MD Posts: 1,026 RobertP's Truck Pics	i have the terra grapplers on my truck. they really have great traction in all weather. i have less than 21,000 miles on them and have rotated them every 5,000 miles. i most likely wont get another 3,000 out of them. i will not buy them again. im looking at buying the BFG ATKO's. i want a tire that i can get at least 35,000 out of. __________________ Maryland Chapter President. At your service. 05,5500,g56,II silver 66 second gen style!!, SBC DD, ,custom pumps and Injectors from II, smarty TNT-R best of 691HP/1152TQ 12.92@108MPH soon to be turned down! 07, 2500, 6 SP AUTO, 6.7. AFE, waiting on a smarty!!! NGM Diesel,NHRDA Member

04-19-2007, 02:06 PM	#11 (permalink)
surfram Cummins Enthusiast Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Delaware Posts: 214 surfram's Truck Pics	I have approx. 33,000 miles on my 285/70/17D BFG AT KOs and they look like they will easily go another 20,000 miles. I run 65psi(sidewall max) all of the time and rotate every 7,500 miles. __________________ 2004 2500 SLT SWB 4x4,305/555, in-tank lift pump, 48RE, 3.73, westin cps step bars, gibson 4" turndown tip, 285/70/17 BFG AT KOs,Timbrens, Leer Cap, Firestick CB antenna mounts, Wilson Silverload 5' antenna, Uniden PC78LTW CB

04-19-2007, 03:12 PM	#12 (permalink)
jimbobbilly Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 104 jimbobbilly's Truck Pics	with 30k miles on em I'm looking for some 30k odd more miles off of em. Great in the rain...alright in sand...can't say much for snow...not the greatest slimy mud tire...but that's why you do more of this __________________ 91 D250 3 inch str8 pipe smoke screw turned www.competitiondiesel.com www.powerstroke.org