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[Supershafts]

If you want legal drag racing and other motorsports back to our area see this ... What would you be against as per track length - Long Island Motorsports Association User Forums

Follow that link, join, vote on that subject and then stay involved with the future happenings....

Pay attention to the question , it is asking what you are not interested in

This is for a temporary solution in our area, so we seek what the majority will deal with for a temp solution...

Go Join now and Vote, then get involved and stay involved...
This is the only site, the only association / club fighting for motorsports on long island and in NY.
They are also looking into a plan/effort for the Newburgh N.Y. area, for a drag racing venue.

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Last edited by Supershafts : 03-19-2009 at 09:08 AM.

[vreihen]

Originally Posted by Supershafts

This is the only site, the only association / club fighting for motorsports on long island and in NY.
They are also looking into a plan/effort for the Newburgh N.Y. area, for a drag racing venue.

Seeing as I'm the chair of one of the last motorsports groups that still hosts competition events on Long Island, and am coincidentally in Newburgh every week day for work, you've got my undivided attention!!! Please do tell, either publicly or via PM. I want to help make things happen for all of us.....

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[Supershafts]

Vignona Racing / V&V Machine, is the contact that got us pointed at Newburgh, they are looking into the area with the town before we jump in to deeply on that, there going to speak with them on the use or re-use of the air field there.

L.I.M.A. has teamed up with Dixie motorsports LLC to start a temporary solution to the need for a drag racing venue in brookhaven town...

L.I.M.A. is also looking into other areas brought to there attention for a facility and also broke news on Epcal...

What motorsport group are you with?

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[vreihen]

Originally Posted by Supershafts

Vignona Racing / V&V Machine, is the contact that got us pointed at Newburgh, they are looking into the area with the town before we jump in to deeply on that, there going to speak with them on the use or re-use of the air field there.

I've never heard of Vignona or V&V, and didn't get any relevant hits on a web search.

Do you know what airport they're talking about? I doubt that Stewart would let them in with the Port Authority running the show, and I already know the deal first-hand with Orange County Airport not letting any non-aviation use as of 2007.

I hope that they weren't looking at The Drop Zone (abandoned military airfield) in Galeville, because that place is now a national wildlife refuge. There's no way that you'll get anything with a motor near the place without being arrested for environmental terrorism, because it might scare the birds away. There have been lawsuits by the R/C plane guys who used to fly there trying to get back in, and they have nothing but huge legal bills and lost court judgments to show for it. It's federal property, and the town has no say in what goes on at that site.

Originally Posted by Supershafts

What motorsport group are you with?

I'm the Solo (autocross) Chair for New York Region, SCCA, and former VP of the Poughkeepsie Sports Car Club. Needless to say, I know just about every piece of viable pavement from Monticello all the way to Riverhead.....

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[Supershafts]

Ah i remember you, yes we met you at RR...

Why do you believe such bs about galeville, what judge would rule for the enviro pro liers when someone shows them a real bird wildlife refuge with a major road going thru it and major airport, then i could use another area that is using R/C planes and cars and aviation use and is also a wildlife refuge to show there is no quality of life issue for the birds... Both locations are a refuge for endangered birds no less. Then if need be i could show another with a train thru it and cars, these are all in N.Y. no less.
Sounds to me as if the enviros made you a believer, You have to get away from the lost before you try...

Though galeville is not the airport in question, if you don't know how to go about it or persist , yes you will lose. I would rather deal with fed then local, local gov can be scared easier, fed listens to fact and will entertain actual proof... Galeville has 1endangered species, and unlike the 2 locations i can use for positivie proof have more then 1 endangered.
Fed will understand how to work around the species in question, whereas local won't bother, fed might take time, but they'll study

I didn't see you guy's at RR this past year, did you move the event?

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Last edited by Supershafts : 03-21-2009 at 07:18 AM.

[Supershafts]

Kinda interested in why you guy's gave up on galeville, the scca used to use it, so why did you guy's give up on it and walk away?.

Since what is being used is developed already and no need to get involved with the surrounding woodlands, why didn't you/scca fight for it with the EAA.

The govt was still using it for it's training purposes, last i know right until 2004...

The town was trying to make it a park, either way it is a doobale site, with no need to have issue's with any wildlife...

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[vreihen]

Originally Posted by Supershafts

Kinda interested in why you guy's gave up on galeville, the scca used to use it, so why did you guy's give up on it and walk away?

The Drop Zone was declared surplus military property in the mid-1990's, as part of President Clinton's base closure crap. Per the disposal process in place, other federal agencies had first crack at obtaining the property, followed by state, local, and finally private entities. The local communities wanted to turn it into a park and a veteran's cemetery. Blue Chip Farms, which borders the field on one side and raises $$$$$ horses, was tired of all the noise from us, the FBI, CIA, Army, Secret Service, model airplane guys, and everyone else that used the place, and had enough clout to push through the plan that the feds create a wildlife sanctuary to ensure that there was never a peep from that field ever again. It's hard to fight something when the option to gain control of the site never left Washington.

The property in question is now known as Shawangunk Grasslands National Wildlife Refuge, and the only way that anything more than a motorized wheelchair will ever set foot on that property again is if the bird flu threatens humanity's survival to the point where we have to exterminate every living creature with wings. It's all about "compatible public use" now, and they are going as far as ripping up the runways and won't even let people park on them.

Model airplane compatibility study:

http://training.fws.gov/LIBRARY/CCPs...xB.pdf#Page=31

Official information for visitors:

Shawangunk Grasslands National Wildlife Refuge | Northeast Region, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service

Don't miss these quotes:

* Use of motorized vehicles is prohibited throughout the refuge. Motorized vehicles disturb wildlife, can cause soil erosion, disturb other refuge visitors, and shatter the tranquility of the refuge.

* Jogging is not allowed on refuge trails. The quieter you walk, the less likely you are to disturb the wildlife adjacent to the trail.

* Bicycling is not allowed anywhere on the refuge. Bicycling erodes nature trails, disturbs refuge visitors and can disturb wildlife.

* Horseback riding is not allowed anywhere on the refuge. Horses erode nature trails, disturb other refuge visitors, and leave non-native weed seeds in horse droppings.

Note that I don't see a restriction on breathing by visitors...yet.

Put a fork in it, the Drop Zone is done.....

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[vreihen]

Originally Posted by Supershafts

I didn't see you guy's at RR this past year, did you move the event?

Let's just say that we determined that Riverhead Raceway was not viable for our type of events, and we voluntarily decided not to return despite being welcome back any time by the owners. It certainly was fun for a few events while it lasted, though.....

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[Supershafts]

Originally Posted by vreihen

The Drop Zone was declared surplus military property in the mid-1990's, as part of President Clinton's base closure crap. Per the disposal process in place, other federal agencies had first crack at obtaining the property, followed by state, local, and finally private entities. The local communities wanted to turn it into a park and a veteran's cemetery. Blue Chip Farms, which borders the field on one side and raises $$$$$ horses, was tired of all the noise from us, the FBI, CIA, Army, Secret Service, model airplane guys, and everyone else that used the place, and had enough clout to push through the plan that the feds create a wildlife sanctuary to ensure that there was never a peep from that field ever again. It's hard to fight something when the option to gain control of the site never left Washington.

The property in question is now known as Shawangunk Grasslands National Wildlife Refuge, and the only way that anything more than a motorized wheelchair will ever set foot on that property again is if the bird flu threatens humanity's survival to the point where we have to exterminate every living creature with wings. It's all about "compatible public use" now, and they are going as far as ripping up the runways and won't even let people park on them.

Model airplane compatibility study:

http://training.fws.gov/LIBRARY/CCPs...xB.pdf#Page=31

Official information for visitors:

Shawangunk Grasslands National Wildlife Refuge | Northeast Region, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service

Don't miss these quotes:

* Use of motorized vehicles is prohibited throughout the refuge. Motorized vehicles disturb wildlife, can cause soil erosion, disturb other refuge visitors, and shatter the tranquility of the refuge.

* Jogging is not allowed on refuge trails. The quieter you walk, the less likely you are to disturb the wildlife adjacent to the trail.

* Bicycling is not allowed anywhere on the refuge. Bicycling erodes nature trails, disturbs refuge visitors and can disturb wildlife.

* Horseback riding is not allowed anywhere on the refuge. Horses erode nature trails, disturb other refuge visitors, and leave non-native weed seeds in horse droppings.

Note that I don't see a restriction on breathing by visitors...yet.

Put a fork in it, the Drop Zone is done.....

I am not going to argue the specifics of these studies...and these quotes, as i can show video of how animals ARE not scared of 418" 550hp sb trucks rolling thru forest and in fact animals are a curiousity creature waiting to SEE, as my videos prove...

Aside for that, you sound like one that has quit, given up, rather then fight and prove there wrong..

Again not getting into here this is not a federal arbitrator or judges board...
I have huge amounts of video, and the video works for US not against us.
I have other areas of proof where hundreds of vehicles are within a few feet, and 2 major airports.

Things can be changed and re-looked at, just because some people haven't figured out how doesn't mean it's dead....

With your view, you should quit the scca now... you surely sound as if you aren't willing to try, so why bother....... right?


What are people going to say when they watch video's from a 418" 550hp truck rolling thru, and we get more animals on video then the nature walkers...

WHY? because naturally walking is something that spooks animals, the lack of mental ability within the people that declare to be professionals astounds me..

Have you ever used a chain saw on forest to cut a tree down? have you ever noticed the wildlifes natural curiosity to see that chainsaw...

Do you know why you can't hunt from a vehicle....because it's easy and animals have no fear making it possible for me to lure them and hunt them...

The bs excuses of motor vehicles harming animals is bs, unless there run over.

Either way i already said this was not an area we are using, but i surely would love to make fools the people that believe otherwise, would love to see then dispute the videos, while i chuckle lightly, just enough that only they hear me..

Eventually people will use there brains to educate themselves a little better and when people say no, they'll investigate why...

I also own 100 acres upstate, i use this for motor vehicle operations and hunting, i have just about every animal there, i have yet to have 1 enviro come and show me irreversible damage.

This has been a study lasting my lifetime...


Instead of being quick to hear 1 thing and run, do a little research on things find out you are being forced out for not 1 good reason or truth...

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[vreihen]

Originally Posted by Supershafts

Aside for that, you sound like one that has quit, given up, rather then fight and prove there wrong..

Apparently, you missed the point. THERE'S NOTHING TO FIGHT. NO PLACE TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT. Logic doesn't apply when the tree-huggers get their hands on something. I'll even bet that half of the alleged endangered birds in that place were made up sightings by environMENTALists just to get everybody shut out of there! The deal is done, the property is now a national wildlife refuge, and the model airplane guys that we used to share the place with have lost a small fortune trying to fight their way back in with nothing to show for it but richer lawyers. The feds have ruled that there is no compatible use with the place other than watching birds, and they have gone out of their way to eliminate all misconceptions that the area does not support recreational activities of any type except studying birds.

In case you're not familiar with local politics, a bunch of local environmentalists held up a local highway construction project for over 10 years because of some bats in a nearby cave that would be indirectly impacted by the plan. Our tax money was paid by the state to keep fighting them, do insane environmental impact studies, and all kinds of court crap. In the end, the exit ramp was built...and the environmental group got over 100 acres added to a state forest in exchange for a simple exit ramp off of I-84.

I haven't quit. I know when I'm fighting a losing battle, and know that my (or the SCCA's) pockets aren't as deep as the environmentalists to stand up to them in courts where they seem to have the NIMBY upper-hand versus noisy race cars and other polluters. Surely you know about NIMBYs on the island and how they hate race cars, since they decided that a 350-foot tall aluminum snow dildo is more desirable than a race track in Riverhead. (Look at the pictures of Ski Dubai and tell me what it looks like from the outside.)

Originally Posted by Supershafts

With your view, you should quit the scca now... you surely sound as if you aren't willing to try, so why bother....... right?

I have more coals in the fire than you could possibly imagine, and have to focus my limited free time on battles that have a possibility of being won versus lost causes like the Drop Zone. One of them is along the lines of High Plains Raceway, which is a good story with a happy ending if you don't know it already.....

High Plains Raceway | Your Colorado Performance Driving and Racing Future

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[Supershafts]

Originally Posted by vreihen

I haven't quit. I know when I'm fighting a losing battle, and know that my (or the SCCA's) pockets aren't as deep as the environmentalists to stand up to them in courts where they seem to have the NIMBY upper-hand versus noisy race cars and other polluters. Surely you know about NIMBYs on the island and how they hate race cars, since they decided that a 350-foot tall aluminum snow dildo is more desirable than a race track in Riverhead. (Look at the pictures of Ski Dubai and tell me what it looks like from the outside.)



I have more coals in the fire than you could possibly imagine,

Then you know RR is already a failure and contacting our builders for money.
You know that rr is not happening...
You know that there is a 70' height restriction in place at that site do to the faa's beacon.
You know that 2 of the multi financiers are bankrupt,
You know that rr's lawyer mitch the dick pally is just starting problems with other people already involved with motorsports plans there
You know RHT held a illegal q&e for RR, it's why we didn't waste money on a article 78.
You know RHT only had that bs closed bid so they could get around going with the RC plan because it was heavily wanted and backed...
You know that even we knew it was just a matter of time.
You know that the current 3 of 5 on the RHT board are afraid of calverton civic group, the president is a convicted drug dealer...

There is no one else from any motorsports association or sanctioning body involved more then US, in fact there is not 1 sanctioning body or association fighting for the RACERS/FANS needs and wants other then US.


You might have coals on fire, but they are not in the right fire...

they have gone out of their way to eliminate all misconceptions that the area does not support recreational activities of any type except studying birds.

They do that so someone does not come along and publicize the bs and make them all look like fools for believing in such false lies.... You can run away from lies for a little while, but not forever....


Numbers mean more then deep pockets, and if illegal citizens can protest, and because they have large numbers, they are listened to and even helped...
When everyone finally learns numbers of registered voters putting politicians and elected officials in the unemployment lines is how it works, we'll all be happier....


Just like the enviro bs lie about Epcal... no one is contemplating developing all 3800 acres, just a usual scare tactic to get more people on there sympathetic $$$$$ side

What does it cost people to stand around hold signs and chant? What does it cost people to vote?


High plains racing sounds similar to what bridgehampton did, other then them keeping the same track...remember the Bridgehampton Racing Heritage Group?
That was a injustice that deserved to be met with more then it was.

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Originally Posted by Supershafts

They do that so someone does not come along and publicize the bs and make them all look like fools for believing in such false lies.... You can run away from lies for a little while, but not forever....

My only comment is to suggest that all y'all spend your own money to mow the grass and keep the critters out of Calverton, because you're one bald-headed, track-wrecking crested finch sighting away from suffering the same fate as the Drop Zone.....

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