Air Filtration Results with Various Aftermarket Filters - A - Page 2

**Duluth Diesel** · 06-13-2006, 06:43 AM

One fact I do know is that the U.S. Military extensively uses Donaldson Endurance filters in their tanks and trucks and is pleased with the filtering abilities of these filters in those nasty desert conditions. That should at least tell us something, eh?

How do we determine the silicone level average for a location?

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subspd · 08-04-2006, 02:18 PM

Are there any numbers on this filter Donaldson G110119 on its flow rating? CFM...
I have been thinking of doing the BHAF with this filter since the military I know uses them.

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Dr. Evil · 08-04-2006, 02:47 PM

Nice work and great info - this should be a sticky in the tech section

Dr. Evil · 08-04-2006, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by NEOREGON Bomber

FWIW,

My recent oil analysis for an AEM Dryflow synthetic filter (part number 21-2059DK) was at 2 PPM. This was at approximately 4,000 miles with Schaeffers 15W-40 oil.

Thats a winner !

When are you sampling again?? - Id sure like to see what the next one is at.

metal_miner · 08-11-2006, 11:05 AM

Irrespective of pressure drop, what is a good CFM rating to support 500-600 HP?

Prior to the twins I was running a UNI for the Scotty 3 filter with a large single turbo and only getting 6-7 ppm at 7500 mile change intervals.

Maybe I need to rig up one of those big oil-bath air cleaners off a semi to get the ultimate filtration...

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05mxdiesel · 08-22-2006, 01:09 PM

Using the Ea drop in filter my silicon has stayed at a consistant 5ppm at 6k + or - miles and 8-9ppm at 12k miles. This is using Amsoil HDD 15w40 on a 05 HPCR. I also have the airbox swiss cheesed and prior to these samples I had a AFE with PG7 filter and had 8 and 9ppm at 5k miles on rotella dino. Remember most oils comes virgin with silicon in them for foaming.

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NEOREGON Bomber · 10-06-2006, 05:34 PM

Recent oil analysis of Schaefer's Supreme 9000 5W40 with AEM Dryflow filter (11,900 miles) came back with 7 PPM of Silicon. AEM filter had roughly 17,000 miles of usage. This sample was during the dusty summer period including farming, harvesting, dusty county roads, dusty logging roads. Pickup had 162,740 miles on it.

As an aside, mileage dropped about 1 MPG before I cleaned the filter after the oil change. After the cleaning of the air filter, it is right back there at 22-23 MPG on the highway. The solution and method of cleaning did not get all of the dirt in the deep crevasses but cleaned it enough not to worry about it.

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monsterB · 10-06-2006, 07:28 PM

nuff said.

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***Mopar1973Man*** · 10-06-2006, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by monsterB

nuff said.

Dude... You really do play in the dust and dirt! Wow! You need to power wash that beast!

Gary - K7GLD · 10-07-2006, 09:45 AM

Is there now a Donaldson Nanofiber BHAF that interchanges physically with the conventional paper element ones like my NAPA? My NAPA is performing great - and good for LOTS more miles judging by appearance to date, and oil analysis numbers - but it might be worth paying the $$$ to make the switch to the Donaldson if it's a true direct swap with what I have now:

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10-07-2006, 05:07 PM

One thing you got to think about when comparing filters is that the BHAFs have a lot more surface area and therfore there is "less" suction at anyone point on the filter's surface...and therefore it isn't going to act like a vacuum cleaner to dirt (the dirt will fall out of "suspension" preferentially).

And just like any other filter, filtration abilities will vary filter to filter because of the filter media. One BHAF may filter worse than another similar BHAF because of the media...filter design has little to do with filtration, it has everything to do with the media.

I think I have read before that paper filters are still the best filters...I know I could see light through my K&N...

steved

***Mopar1973Man*** · 10-08-2006, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by steved

I know I could see light through my K&N...

Ahhh... Someone else seen the light...

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06-13-2006, 06:43 AM	#13 (permalink)
Duluth Diesel Twin Port Sales, Authorized Amsoil Dealer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Superior, WI Posts: 5,975 Duluth Diesel's Truck Pics	One fact I do know is that the U.S. Military extensively uses Donaldson Endurance filters in their tanks and trucks and is pleased with the filtering abilities of these filters in those nasty desert conditions. That should at least tell us something, eh? How do we determine the silicone level average for a location? __________________ AMSOIL ONLINE STORE - DISCOUNT PRICING AVAILABLE CLICK HERE FOR A FREE AMSOIL CATALOG *TWIN PORT SALES - AMSOIL* SHIPPED DIRECT THE BEST SYNTHETIC OIL IN THE WORLD FOR LESS INJEN Nanofiber Intake Systems**

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08-04-2006, 02:18 PM	#14 (permalink)
subspd Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: San Antonio Posts: 134 subspd's Truck Pics	Are there any numbers on this filter Donaldson G110119 on its flow rating? CFM... I have been thinking of doing the BHAF with this filter since the military I know uses them. __________________ 2006 - Mega Cab - CTD 610 - 2500 - 4x4 - 48RE - Navigation - Folding Bed Cover - 4" Stock Intake Mod

08-04-2006, 02:47 PM	#15 (permalink)
Dr. Evil Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,568 Dr. Evil's Truck Pics	Nice work and great info - this should be a sticky in the tech section

08-11-2006, 11:05 AM	#17 (permalink)
metal_miner Cummins Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Elko, NV Posts: 68 metal_miner's Truck Pics	Irrespective of pressure drop, what is a good CFM rating to support 500-600 HP? Prior to the twins I was running a UNI for the Scotty 3 filter with a large single turbo and only getting 6-7 ppm at 7500 mile change intervals. Maybe I need to rig up one of those big oil-bath air cleaners off a semi to get the ultimate filtration... __________________ 03 2500 4x4, HO, 6spd, ARP studs, PDR cam, Relentless dual CP3, SBC 3600 12CB, ATS manifold, Technicooler, MPI Super B/GT4202 twins, Flux 2, TST, Smarty, Optix boost/EGT/RP, ISSPRO mechanical fuel & oil pressure, 2 micron GDP fuel, 5" exhaust.

08-22-2006, 01:09 PM	#18 (permalink)
05mxdiesel Newbie Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2 05mxdiesel's Truck Pics	Using the Ea drop in filter my silicon has stayed at a consistant 5ppm at 6k + or - miles and 8-9ppm at 12k miles. This is using Amsoil HDD 15w40 on a 05 HPCR. I also have the airbox swiss cheesed and prior to these samples I had a AFE with PG7 filter and had 8 and 9ppm at 5k miles on rotella dino. Remember most oils comes virgin with silicon in them for foaming. __________________ 05-2500, LWB, QC, 5600, Laramie, Deept Molten Red, AFE Stage 1, TST Powermax, Banks i/c, Line-x, 35" Pro Comp MT

10-06-2006, 05:34 PM	#19 (permalink)
NEOREGON Bomber Cummins Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: NorthEast Oregon Posts: 36 NEOREGON Bomber's Truck Pics	Recent oil analysis of Schaefer's Supreme 9000 5W40 with AEM Dryflow filter (11,900 miles) came back with 7 PPM of Silicon. AEM filter had roughly 17,000 miles of usage. This sample was during the dusty summer period including farming, harvesting, dusty county roads, dusty logging roads. Pickup had 162,740 miles on it. As an aside, mileage dropped about 1 MPG before I cleaned the filter after the oil change. After the cleaning of the air filter, it is right back there at 22-23 MPG on the highway. The solution and method of cleaning did not get all of the dirt in the deep crevasses but cleaned it enough not to worry about it. __________________ 99 Deep Amethyst 2500 SLT SB QC 4x4, Raider Canopy, DTT Tranny & 89% TC, 3.55 differentials, CATCHER, Mach 2 Sticks, Dodgezilla 14cm Wastegated, 4" Exhaust w/ Aeroturbine 4040, AEM DryFlow Air Filter, DSS, DNT/SS Trackbar, Rancho 9000's, Bridgestone 265/75 Dueler A/T Revos, Luverne Nerf Bars, Grizzly Brushguard, Warn driving lights, FIA Winter Front/Bug Screen, Uniden CB & PA, Bearcat 796 Scanner, Alpine AM/FM/CD, Husky Liner Splashguards, Schaeffers lubrication, Fleetguard filtration and other misc goodies. "Let 'er buck" xtremecomputing.us

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monsterB Cummins Enthusiast Join Date: May 2006 Location: woodland hills,calif. Posts: 178 monsterB's Truck Pics	nuff said. __________________ 94' 3500, 5sp., straight axle, single cab, dually - Marine Injectors, No Cam Plate, No Filter Or Piping, No Gauges, No Thermastat, 4to5in. Side Shot Exaust, Modified Schwitzer Turbo, Timing Adj., Modified Valve Adj., And A Few Other, TRICKS OF THE TRADE! Last edited by monsterB : 11-05-2006 at 12:59 PM.

10-07-2006, 09:45 AM	#22 (permalink)
Gary - K7GLD Tech Specialist Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Canyon City Oregon Posts: 1,359 Gary - K7GLD's Truck Pics	Is there now a Donaldson Nanofiber BHAF that interchanges physically with the conventional paper element ones like my NAPA? My NAPA is performing great - and good for LOTS more miles judging by appearance to date, and oil analysis numbers - but it might be worth paying the $$$ to make the switch to the Donaldson if it's a true direct swap with what I have now: __________________ White '02 Quad cab, NV5600, GAUGES! Comp, Walbro, DTT SS intake, Rip's 4 in. exhaust, Don M's 1.6's, DSS, Frantz oil bypass & fuel filters, Amsoil air filter, MOBILE Ham Radio-IC-706, 600 watt amp, '88 Kit 24 ft. 5er, 414 HP/972 Tq., 24 ft KIT 5er.

10-07-2006, 05:07 PM	#23 (permalink)
Guest Posts: n/a	One thing you got to think about when comparing filters is that the BHAFs have a lot more surface area and therfore there is "less" suction at anyone point on the filter's surface...and therefore it isn't going to act like a vacuum cleaner to dirt (the dirt will fall out of "suspension" preferentially). And just like any other filter, filtration abilities will vary filter to filter because of the filter media. One BHAF may filter worse than another similar BHAF because of the media...filter design has little to do with filtration, it has everything to do with the media. I think I have read before that paper filters are still the best filters...I know I could see light through my K&N... steved