shifting my truck

dieselfuelonly16 · 10-09-2008, 10:00 PM

i was tought to drive our semis by shifting without the clutch. When i had my first truck, a 92 ford diesel, i tried shifting without the clutch and it didnt work, but in my 2000 cummins, it does. will it hurt anything if i shift without the clutch?
will it save wear on the clutch?
does anyone drive like this?
thanks

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fordkiller43 · 10-09-2008, 10:03 PM

it will definitely save youre clutch and it wont hurt nothin. my buddies been doin it in his 12 valve for years now. i used to do it with my old 79 F150 all the time.

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'02 2500 4X4 auto; SC VB, Drag Comp, FBD 100's sticks, AFE stg II, Silencer ring MIA, J hook, Banks High Ram, Carter pusher, Triple Pillar w/ Boost, Pyro, and FP gauges, MBRP 5" str8 pipe, 4.5" skyjacker, DSS bar, 35" Bighorns, Frontier bumper... s300 66/14 on its way! Coaltrain trans in the making

ykdave · 10-09-2008, 10:12 PM

well, if your used to floating a non syncro'd trans you shouldnt be able to hurt your truck!

Alot of people say its bad to float a syncro'd tranny, but their are alot of people (including myself) that have for a long time with no ill effects.

Now, i can see if your just ramming and jamming gears at any speed/rpm your liable to kill the trans in a week...

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fordkiller43 · 10-09-2008, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ykdave

well, if your used to floating a non syncro'd trans you shouldnt be able to hurt your truck!

Alot of people say its bad to float a syncro'd tranny, but their are alot of people (including myself) that have for a long time with no ill effects.

Now, i can see if your just ramming and jamming gears at any speed/rpm your liable to kill the trans in a week...

I have known people who actually do that!

Then little while down the road they are complaining their tranny aint actin right!

Freakin DUH!!!!

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'02 2500 4X4 auto; SC VB, Drag Comp, FBD 100's sticks, AFE stg II, Silencer ring MIA, J hook, Banks High Ram, Carter pusher, Triple Pillar w/ Boost, Pyro, and FP gauges, MBRP 5" str8 pipe, 4.5" skyjacker, DSS bar, 35" Bighorns, Frontier bumper... s300 66/14 on its way! Coaltrain trans in the making

ykdave · 10-09-2008, 10:22 PM

i get a laugh out of it too, its funny to watch some goon gring off 3lbs of metal in the middle of an intersection trying to hit the next gear!

My truck has nearly 500,000km's on it and it has been floated since our company bought it (5 or so years ago, it was a work/bush truck then i got it) and i know for a fact alot of our guys that drove it floated the gears. That trans is still in tip top shape, shifts perfect with or without the clutch, it just slides right into gear!

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97 Ram 2500 / 5.9ctd / 5spd / nv4500 / 4x4 / np241
Starwheel cranked, no plate, autometer pyro and boost gauges, Single 4" stack, 33x10.5 Mud terrains, tons more to come

fordkiller43 · 10-09-2008, 10:27 PM

yeah if the driver knows how to float em they will last much much longer. Every now and then tho you get some yahoo who thinks he can float gears who really just jacks it all up. My grandfather owns his a gravel business down in San Antonio and hes always gettin on his drivers

about not knowin how to float gears right in his dumptrucks.

Its pretty dang goo entertainment sit and watch em chewin em out showin them how to properly shift and all.

My grandfather taught me how to drive a dumptruck when i was 13. I could barely reach the pedals!

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'02 2500 4X4 auto; SC VB, Drag Comp, FBD 100's sticks, AFE stg II, Silencer ring MIA, J hook, Banks High Ram, Carter pusher, Triple Pillar w/ Boost, Pyro, and FP gauges, MBRP 5" str8 pipe, 4.5" skyjacker, DSS bar, 35" Bighorns, Frontier bumper... s300 66/14 on its way! Coaltrain trans in the making

joelliott · 10-09-2008, 11:09 PM

Can you explain to me just how you do this? I have a 85 mustang gt and if I tried this stunt in it, Itd stall out right now. clutch is real real tight.

So you guys just pull out of one gear and force the shifter into the next? I my sound like an idiot but that seems hard on your truck. lol
Joe E.

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Begle1 · 10-09-2008, 11:30 PM

You take the RPM of the vehicle up to where the engine isn't accelerating or decelerating the vehicle, so the transmission has little load on it.

Then it's easy to pull the transmission out of gear, into neutral.

You then bring the engine to the RPM where it is going to be in the next gear; if you're upshifting, you're going to drop the RPM; if you're downshifting, your going to increase RPM.

When the engine RPM is at the exact speed that it will be at for that vehicle speed and that gear, the transmission will slide into that gear. You can put a slight push against the lever while you're reving the engine up or down, and it will pop in when it gets to just the right speed.

It's a total arcane pain in the butt, but it is how you drive a manual transmission that doesn't have synchronizers. If you do it right, it puts no wear on the clutch or synchronizers and there is no RPM shock on the engine. If you do it wrong, you wear out your synchronizers and you have to shift it that way. If you keep doing it wrong you chip off all your sliding clutches and you're not going anywhere.

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1990 D-250 Regular Cab: Full power screw; stout TC and A518 w/ manual valve body; ratchet shifter; piston LP; Ramcharger tank; manual off; computer-programmable 40 GPH water/meth fumigation; gauges

dieselfuelonly16 · 10-10-2008, 04:19 AM

thanks, i think im doing it right since it just goes into gear, but in 5th and 6th i gotta shift fast, otheriwse it wont go in, and i gotttaa use the clutch, but otherwise i never grind so that means im ok right?
thanks

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terminaltsi · 10-10-2008, 07:39 AM

it takes practice like anything else. sometimes some gears seem to really want to be right at a certain road speed to slide in.

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Kawasaki ZX12-R 190 hp worth of pure evil on two wheels!

dwoods_90 · 10-10-2008, 09:23 AM

so you shift w/o the clutch in non-syncro trans right? how can you tell if your truck has one? i got a 04 2500

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'04.5 ram 2500, CUMMINS, QCLB, 4x4, 6spd, SLT, airlift, ranch hand, b&w turnover, black w/ chrome door handles, bed caps, and steps, 4" srt8 w/ 5" MBRP tip, KC's comin soon.

***BlkSmokeGearJammer*** · 10-10-2008, 09:29 AM

dwoods our trucks all have syncros, only the "big truck" transmissions dont when you start getting around 8speeeds and all that. there much more heavy duty and hard to learn how to shift when you start but then it becomes second nature, like riding a bike.

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1994 3500 Single cab Dually,NV4500, 5.9 Cummins, #5 Fuel Plate, 3k GSK, BHAF, 35psi,starwheel cranked all the way, home made 4" with 5" finish exhaust

Mods to come: pump timing to 17* and my trans is begging me for a new clutch

10-09-2008, 10:00 PM	#1 (permalink)
dieselfuelonly16 Cummins Enthusiast Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: waterford wisconsin Posts: 251 dieselfuelonly16's Truck Pics	shifting my truck i was tought to drive our semis by shifting without the clutch. When i had my first truck, a 92 ford diesel, i tried shifting without the clutch and it didnt work, but in my 2000 cummins, it does. will it hurt anything if i shift without the clutch? will it save wear on the clutch? does anyone drive like this? thanks __________________ 2000 ram 3500 sport, 6spd, 4 in turbo back exhaust, banks big hoss, scotty air intake, fass system, stage 2 tag

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10-09-2008, 10:03 PM	#2 (permalink)
fordkiller43 Diesels in my blood..... Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Copperas Cove, TX Posts: 1,528 fordkiller43's Truck Pics	it will definitely save youre clutch and it wont hurt nothin. my buddies been doin it in his 12 valve for years now. i used to do it with my old 79 F150 all the time. __________________ '02 2500 4X4 auto; SC VB, Drag Comp, FBD 100's sticks, AFE stg II, Silencer ring MIA, J hook, Banks High Ram, Carter pusher, Triple Pillar w/ Boost, Pyro, and FP gauges, MBRP 5" str8 pipe, 4.5" skyjacker, DSS bar, 35" Bighorns, Frontier bumper... s300 66/14 on its way! Coaltrain trans in the making

10-09-2008, 10:12 PM	#3 (permalink)
ykdave Diesel Head Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,101 ykdave's Truck Pics	well, if your used to floating a non syncro'd trans you shouldnt be able to hurt your truck! Alot of people say its bad to float a syncro'd tranny, but their are alot of people (including myself) that have for a long time with no ill effects. Now, i can see if your just ramming and jamming gears at any speed/rpm your liable to kill the trans in a week... __________________ 97 Ram 2500 / 5.9ctd / 5spd / nv4500 / 4x4 / np241 Starwheel cranked, no plate, autometer pyro and boost gauges, Single 4" stack, 33x10.5 Mud terrains, tons more to come

10-09-2008, 10:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
ykdave Diesel Head Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,101 ykdave's Truck Pics	i get a laugh out of it too, its funny to watch some goon gring off 3lbs of metal in the middle of an intersection trying to hit the next gear! My truck has nearly 500,000km's on it and it has been floated since our company bought it (5 or so years ago, it was a work/bush truck then i got it) and i know for a fact alot of our guys that drove it floated the gears. That trans is still in tip top shape, shifts perfect with or without the clutch, it just slides right into gear! __________________ 97 Ram 2500 / 5.9ctd / 5spd / nv4500 / 4x4 / np241 Starwheel cranked, no plate, autometer pyro and boost gauges, Single 4" stack, 33x10.5 Mud terrains, tons more to come

10-09-2008, 10:27 PM	#6 (permalink)
fordkiller43 Diesels in my blood..... Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Copperas Cove, TX Posts: 1,528 fordkiller43's Truck Pics	yeah if the driver knows how to float em they will last much much longer. Every now and then tho you get some yahoo who thinks he can float gears who really just jacks it all up. My grandfather owns his a gravel business down in San Antonio and hes always gettin on his drivers about not knowin how to float gears right in his dumptrucks. Its pretty dang goo entertainment sit and watch em chewin em out showin them how to properly shift and all. My grandfather taught me how to drive a dumptruck when i was 13. I could barely reach the pedals! __________________ '02 2500 4X4 auto; SC VB, Drag Comp, FBD 100's sticks, AFE stg II, Silencer ring MIA, J hook, Banks High Ram, Carter pusher, Triple Pillar w/ Boost, Pyro, and FP gauges, MBRP 5" str8 pipe, 4.5" skyjacker, DSS bar, 35" Bighorns, Frontier bumper... s300 66/14 on its way! Coaltrain trans in the making

10-09-2008, 11:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
joelliott Cummins Enthusiast Join Date: May 2006 Location: LaBelle, FL Posts: 287 joelliott's Truck Pics	Can you explain to me just how you do this? I have a 85 mustang gt and if I tried this stunt in it, Itd stall out right now. clutch is real real tight. So you guys just pull out of one gear and force the shifter into the next? I my sound like an idiot but that seems hard on your truck. lol Joe E. __________________ Joe E. CUMMINS DIESEL

10-09-2008, 11:30 PM	#8 (permalink)
Begle1 Diesel Head Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 2,474 Begle1's Truck Pics	You take the RPM of the vehicle up to where the engine isn't accelerating or decelerating the vehicle, so the transmission has little load on it. Then it's easy to pull the transmission out of gear, into neutral. You then bring the engine to the RPM where it is going to be in the next gear; if you're upshifting, you're going to drop the RPM; if you're downshifting, your going to increase RPM. When the engine RPM is at the exact speed that it will be at for that vehicle speed and that gear, the transmission will slide into that gear. You can put a slight push against the lever while you're reving the engine up or down, and it will pop in when it gets to just the right speed. It's a total arcane pain in the butt, but it is how you drive a manual transmission that doesn't have synchronizers. If you do it right, it puts no wear on the clutch or synchronizers and there is no RPM shock on the engine. If you do it wrong, you wear out your synchronizers and you have to shift it that way. If you keep doing it wrong you chip off all your sliding clutches and you're not going anywhere. __________________ 1990 D-250 Regular Cab: Full power screw; stout TC and A518 w/ manual valve body; ratchet shifter; piston LP; Ramcharger tank; manual off; computer-programmable 40 GPH water/meth fumigation; gauges

10-10-2008, 04:19 AM	#9 (permalink)
dieselfuelonly16 Cummins Enthusiast Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: waterford wisconsin Posts: 251 dieselfuelonly16's Truck Pics	thanks, i think im doing it right since it just goes into gear, but in 5th and 6th i gotta shift fast, otheriwse it wont go in, and i gotttaa use the clutch, but otherwise i never grind so that means im ok right? thanks __________________ 2000 ram 3500 sport, 6spd, 4 in turbo back exhaust, banks big hoss, scotty air intake, fass system, stage 2 tag

10-10-2008, 07:39 AM	#10 (permalink)
terminaltsi Cummins Nut Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Lou-evil KY Posts: 434 terminaltsi's Truck Pics	it takes practice like anything else. sometimes some gears seem to really want to be right at a certain road speed to slide in. __________________ '99 2500 5 speed, 4x4, Greddy EGT, Edge EZ, BHAF, 4" exhaust, AirDog, running 80-100% biodiesel, 315/75/16 maxxis bighorns Kawasaki ZX12-R 190 hp worth of pure evil on two wheels!

10-10-2008, 09:23 AM	#11 (permalink)
dwoods_90 Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 157 dwoods_90's Truck Pics	so you shift w/o the clutch in non-syncro trans right? how can you tell if your truck has one? i got a 04 2500 __________________ '04.5 ram 2500, CUMMINS, QCLB, 4x4, 6spd, SLT, airlift, ranch hand, b&w turnover, black w/ chrome door handles, bed caps, and steps, 4" srt8 w/ 5" MBRP tip, KC's comin soon.

10-10-2008, 09:29 AM	#12 (permalink)
*BlkSmokeGearJammer* Cummins Fan Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Crystal Lake,IL Posts: 57 BlkSmokeGearJammer's Truck Pics	dwoods our trucks all have syncros, only the "big truck" transmissions dont when you start getting around 8speeeds and all that. there much more heavy duty and hard to learn how to shift when you start but then it becomes second nature, like riding a bike. __________________ 1994 3500 Single cab Dually,NV4500, 5.9 Cummins, #5 Fuel Plate, 3k GSK, BHAF, 35psi,starwheel cranked all the way, home made 4" with 5" finish exhaust Mods to come: pump timing to 17* and my trans is begging me for a new clutch