Should oil leak be tolerated?

Mr Bojangles · 09-24-2008, 12:31 PM

Hello All:
Here is my STORY.
2008 Ram3500 Larime 6.7L Cummngs engine and persistant oil leak. Vehicle has had two oil changes in last 12.7K miles:

1) Oil change early at 3500K miles (before long 7k mile trip) and after, noticed oil leaking. Back to Dealer and they changed CRANKSHAFT cover and seal immediately to allow trip to begin.
2) At end of trip at 11K. Another leak noticed at 12.7K.
Back to dealer and shop foreman determined TIMING Box cover and seal needed changing.

After getting vehicle home and sitting overnight, another oil leak, and in differant spot.
This leak in center of truck, just under Flywheel, and oil pan covered with oil. The other times the leak was in two spots, 4 or 5 inchs back from this leak, and on either side, and much smaller.

Questions:
1) Should I have expectations of "No Oil LEAKING"?
Note:
I have requested to talk to Service manager and Owner of Dealership to express my intent to NEVER go back and I will have Warrenty work done somewhere else (if I need any).
Just will not be able to trust workmenship again.

2) Is this a smart move?

tramp_line_ape · 09-24-2008, 12:35 PM

i would definetly make them fix it right. if a seal or gasket isn't put in right, or surfaces aren't clean, it won't seal. i'd talk to other dealers and make sure they will work on your pickup before you tell these guys what's up.

__________________
07 6.7 cummins, 6 speed, one-ton, electric blue, gauges, afe intake, MP-8/Superchip, 4" BADP TB, egr delete, edge w/attitude

Give him books and give him books, and all he does is eat the pages
I.B.E.W. local 57 America is Union

Paccool · 09-24-2008, 12:41 PM

Make em fix it. Start talking about the lemon law and see if that gets any attention with them.

__________________
Stan

93 D250, PDR Twins HX35&HT3B, 60+# boost,PDR stage 2 head w/o-rings, PDR Cam, modified VE Pump, piston style lift pump, modified 5" intake w/AFE, ATS ported manifold,DTT 89% converter, 4" RIP exhaust, modified tranny, EGT/boost/tranny/tach gauges, TPS removed, a little chrome under the hood. Mag-Hitec tranny and diff. covers. Rear sway bar. Line-x bed liner, after market seats. Front end rebuilt with new springs - 2 " taller now. Single stage Water/Meth system installed. Oversized intercooler w/3" IC lines.

05 Chevy 2500 HD, Duramax W/Allison, 17" Hummer wheels w/285-70-17 BFG's, modified air box, ported turbo mouthpiece. Predator programmer.

dezl · 09-24-2008, 01:26 PM

Every diesel ive owned besides my dmax has leaked oil.

I would have to agree with paccool, bring up the lemon law and see if that changes there tone.

__________________
08 Chevy LMM 6" lift 20" monsters w/35's, other than that all stock.

69 Chevelle, BB 427, Ported and polished heads, Custom cam, 10.5/1 compression, Forged TRW pistons, 1.7 Roller rockers, Holley 750 double pumper, Stage 2 TH 400, 12 bolt rear end

JoeCanuck · 09-24-2008, 01:40 PM

My 2000 doesn't leak a drop...neither does my bro's 06. A new vehicle shouldn't leak oil...period.

You might crawl under it and see if you can identify the exact source of the leak. Trying to judge the source from the drip location isn't always accurate.

With all the hardware under the hood, oil can bounce off of a lot of stuff before it hits the ground. It also may have been blown around the engine when driving.

Before going back to the dealer, I'd try to be armed with as much information as I could. If they claim leaking is normal, have them show you the oil drips under their new trucks as proof.

Good luck.

__________________
'00 Quad Cummins 4x4 Shortbox, Silver. From AZ to AB. Stage I, (50hp), Edge Jammers, Adrenaline (impressive) w/ Pulse, Raptor, Dodge Steering Stabilizer, Luke's Link, Leer tonneau, Mikuni MX-40 coolant heater, BFG T/A's, Isspro FPG.

tramp_line_ape · 09-24-2008, 01:44 PM

dad's '95 had an oil leak until it hit about 100k. it quit then, nothing major, never really had to add oil due to it. but these new motors shouldn't leak a drop.

__________________
07 6.7 cummins, 6 speed, one-ton, electric blue, gauges, afe intake, MP-8/Superchip, 4" BADP TB, egr delete, edge w/attitude

Give him books and give him books, and all he does is eat the pages
I.B.E.W. local 57 America is Union

***dad2bike*** · 09-24-2008, 01:51 PM

As long as you have a warranty, the make them fix the leaks. For $35+K it better dam well NOT leak.

__________________
Tom
2008 Quad-Cab,LB, 2500, 6.7L, 4X4, White/Kaki, Big-Horn, 3.73 Auto, AS flash, K&N Air Filter, no baffle, Testing in progress-3nd step, EGR unplugged, BV gear out, Code clearing, STEALTH DPF, Smarty on the bench PMT gauges. Mag-Hytec Pan & Diff covers.Toms smarty Journal ....... DIY Deletes How-To

Stealth is the WORD!

ykdave · 09-24-2008, 02:07 PM

You definately have issues...

My almost half million km 12v doesnt even leak, though it does seep a little though the filling spout on the timing cover, but thats just an o-ring and its not even enough of a seep to worry about.

BTW, try not to spell cummins with a G, your liable to get scalped around here!

__________________
97 Ram 2500 / 5.9ctd / 5spd / nv4500 / 4x4 / np241
Home made intake and BHAF, AFC tweaked, custom plate, autometer pyro and boost gauges, Dual 4" stacks, 33x12.5 Mud terrains, posi-lok, tons more to come

tclappcummins · 09-24-2008, 02:15 PM

if they refuse to fix er again... drain some oil out of it and drive it til she blows... then they'll really have a problem on their hands and think man maybe we should have fixed that oil leak... just some thoughts...

__________________
Travis

06 2500 Megacab 4x4 gets a bath twice a week

AllanP · 09-24-2008, 02:42 PM

I have a '99 with 182,000 miles on it. It still doesnt leak a drop of oil. Yours sure shouldnt leak. I have found after 9 years that the dealerships suck. Its better to find the source of the problem yourself and point it out to them.

Good Luck.

__________________
'99 3500 QC SLT Laramie, 4x4 auto trans, Bluechip vp Suncoast VB, TSC 89% TC, DDP stg 2 inj, Edge w/Attitude, Raptor lp, Glacier F/W Separator, 4" Str8t Exhaust, High Flow Intake, Ats manifold, 62/14/65turbo. Amsoil dual filters. Dual Fans. Non 53. Original owner.

Last edited by AllanP : 09-24-2008 at 02:44 PM.

DedDuk · 09-24-2008, 03:17 PM

i have always like to bring up issues like that loudly on the show room floor on mid day saturday when the place is busy. seems to get attention pretty quick!:thumbsup

__________________
Silver 2006 SLT 4 Door 4X4, 3500 Long Bed, LONE STAR EDITION. Custom 20" Wheels, Front and Rear Bumpers. Black Tool Box on Black Diamond Plate Rail Covers.5.9 Stock Cummins.

Mr Bojangles · 09-24-2008, 05:49 PM

Thanks all for inputs.....
Just got off the phone with Owner (he said). Told him I would be giving someone else a chance to fix, I have no trust in his shop. Explained he should put ear to ground and ensure things ok in shop.

Additionally, I explained I'm retired, plenty of time, will stop in and look him in the eye to ensure I talked to owner. This may be only one of many incidents of incompetence, (replacing two covers and seals, WTF.)

It could be that management is happy getting paid for warranty work? Who knows?

I at least, gave him one "heads up". The right thing to do...
Tomorrow I will give another Dealer a chance to fix.
Also, called Chrysler and have Reference # for problem. I hope it's my last call to them....

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Mr Bojangles Cummins Fan Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 57 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mr Bojangles's Truck Pics	Should oil leak be tolerated? Hello All: Here is my STORY. 2008 Ram3500 Larime 6.7L Cummngs engine and persistant oil leak. Vehicle has had two oil changes in last 12.7K miles: 1) Oil change early at 3500K miles (before long 7k mile trip) and after, noticed oil leaking. Back to Dealer and they changed CRANKSHAFT cover and seal immediately to allow trip to begin. 2) At end of trip at 11K. Another leak noticed at 12.7K. Back to dealer and shop foreman determined TIMING Box cover and seal needed changing. After getting vehicle home and sitting overnight, another oil leak, and in differant spot. This leak in center of truck, just under Flywheel, and oil pan covered with oil. The other times the leak was in two spots, 4 or 5 inchs back from this leak, and on either side, and much smaller. Questions: 1) Should I have expectations of "No Oil LEAKING"? Note: I have requested to talk to Service manager and Owner of Dealership to express my intent to NEVER go back and I will have Warrenty work done somewhere else (if I need any). Just will not be able to trust workmenship again. 2) Is this a smart move?

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09-24-2008, 12:35 PM	#2 (permalink)
tramp_line_ape Diesel Freak Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Juliaetta, ID Posts: 804 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts tramp_line_ape's Truck Pics	i would definetly make them fix it right. if a seal or gasket isn't put in right, or surfaces aren't clean, it won't seal. i'd talk to other dealers and make sure they will work on your pickup before you tell these guys what's up. __________________ 07 6.7 cummins, 6 speed, one-ton, electric blue, gauges, afe intake, MP-8/Superchip, 4" BADP TB, egr delete, edge w/attitude Give him books and give him books, and all he does is eat the pages I.B.E.W. local 57 America is Union

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Paccool Admin Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: NorCal Posts: 3,237 Thanks: 3 Thanked 30 Times in 23 Posts Paccool's Truck Pics	Make em fix it. Start talking about the lemon law and see if that gets any attention with them. __________________ Stan 93 D250, PDR Twins HX35&HT3B, 60+# boost,PDR stage 2 head w/o-rings, PDR Cam, modified VE Pump, piston style lift pump, modified 5" intake w/AFE, ATS ported manifold,DTT 89% converter, 4" RIP exhaust, modified tranny, EGT/boost/tranny/tach gauges, TPS removed, a little chrome under the hood. Mag-Hitec tranny and diff. covers. Rear sway bar. Line-x bed liner, after market seats. Front end rebuilt with new springs - 2 " taller now. Single stage Water/Meth system installed. Oversized intercooler w/3" IC lines. 05 Chevy 2500 HD, Duramax W/Allison, 17" Hummer wheels w/285-70-17 BFG's, modified air box, ported turbo mouthpiece. Predator programmer.

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dezl HELP FIGHT CA SMOG REGS! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Napa Posts: 2,733 Thanks: 2 Thanked 18 Times in 16 Posts dezl's Truck Pics	Every diesel ive owned besides my dmax has leaked oil. I would have to agree with paccool, bring up the lemon law and see if that changes there tone. __________________ 08 Chevy LMM 6" lift 20" monsters w/35's, other than that all stock. 69 Chevelle, BB 427, Ported and polished heads, Custom cam, 10.5/1 compression, Forged TRW pistons, 1.7 Roller rockers, Holley 750 double pumper, Stage 2 TH 400, 12 bolt rear end

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JoeCanuck Cummins Enthusiast Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: GP, Alberta Posts: 231 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post JoeCanuck's Truck Pics	My 2000 doesn't leak a drop...neither does my bro's 06. A new vehicle shouldn't leak oil...period. You might crawl under it and see if you can identify the exact source of the leak. Trying to judge the source from the drip location isn't always accurate. With all the hardware under the hood, oil can bounce off of a lot of stuff before it hits the ground. It also may have been blown around the engine when driving. Before going back to the dealer, I'd try to be armed with as much information as I could. If they claim leaking is normal, have them show you the oil drips under their new trucks as proof. Good luck. __________________ '00 Quad Cummins 4x4 Shortbox, Silver. From AZ to AB. Stage I, (50hp), Edge Jammers, Adrenaline (impressive) w/ Pulse, Raptor, Dodge Steering Stabilizer, Luke's Link, Leer tonneau, Mikuni MX-40 coolant heater, BFG T/A's, Isspro FPG.

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tramp_line_ape Diesel Freak Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Juliaetta, ID Posts: 804 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts tramp_line_ape's Truck Pics	dad's '95 had an oil leak until it hit about 100k. it quit then, nothing major, never really had to add oil due to it. but these new motors shouldn't leak a drop. __________________ 07 6.7 cummins, 6 speed, one-ton, electric blue, gauges, afe intake, MP-8/Superchip, 4" BADP TB, egr delete, edge w/attitude Give him books and give him books, and all he does is eat the pages I.B.E.W. local 57 America is Union

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*dad2bike* For a good time- Smarty Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 5,172 Thanks: 246 Thanked 384 Times in 269 Posts dad2bike's Truck Pics	As long as you have a warranty, the make them fix the leaks. For $35+K it better dam well NOT leak. __________________ Tom 2008 Quad-Cab,LB, 2500, 6.7L, 4X4, White/Kaki, Big-Horn, 3.73 Auto, AS flash, K&N Air Filter, no baffle, Testing in progress-3nd step, EGR unplugged, BV gear out, Code clearing, STEALTH DPF, Smarty on the bench PMT gauges. Mag-Hytec Pan & Diff covers.Toms smarty Journal ....... DIY Deletes How-To Stealth is the WORD!

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ykdave Diesel Head Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Yellowknife, NT, Canada Posts: 3,773 Thanks: 0 Thanked 66 Times in 55 Posts ykdave's Truck Pics	You definately have issues... My almost half million km 12v doesnt even leak, though it does seep a little though the filling spout on the timing cover, but thats just an o-ring and its not even enough of a seep to worry about. BTW, try not to spell cummins with a G, your liable to get scalped around here! __________________ 97 Ram 2500 / 5.9ctd / 5spd / nv4500 / 4x4 / np241 Home made intake and BHAF, AFC tweaked, custom plate, autometer pyro and boost gauges, Dual 4" stacks, 33x12.5 Mud terrains, posi-lok, tons more to come

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tclappcummins Diesel Head Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Evansville/Marysville, Indiana Posts: 2,363 Thanks: 69 Thanked 82 Times in 40 Posts tclappcummins's Truck Pics	if they refuse to fix er again... drain some oil out of it and drive it til she blows... then they'll really have a problem on their hands and think man maybe we should have fixed that oil leak... just some thoughts... __________________ Travis 06 2500 Megacab 4x4 gets a bath twice a week

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AllanP Diesel Freak Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 647 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts AllanP's Truck Pics	I have a '99 with 182,000 miles on it. It still doesnt leak a drop of oil. Yours sure shouldnt leak. I have found after 9 years that the dealerships suck. Its better to find the source of the problem yourself and point it out to them. Good Luck. __________________ '99 3500 QC SLT Laramie, 4x4 auto trans, Bluechip vp Suncoast VB, TSC 89% TC, DDP stg 2 inj, Edge w/Attitude, Raptor lp, Glacier F/W Separator, 4" Str8t Exhaust, High Flow Intake, Ats manifold, 62/14/65turbo. Amsoil dual filters. Dual Fans. Non 53. Original owner. Last edited by AllanP : 09-24-2008 at 02:44 PM.

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DedDuk Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Conroe, Texas Posts: 141 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts DedDuk's Truck Pics	i have always like to bring up issues like that loudly on the show room floor on mid day saturday when the place is busy. seems to get attention pretty quick!:thumbsup __________________ Silver 2006 SLT 4 Door 4X4, 3500 Long Bed, LONE STAR EDITION. Custom 20" Wheels, Front and Rear Bumpers. Black Tool Box on Black Diamond Plate Rail Covers.5.9 Stock Cummins.

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Mr Bojangles Cummins Fan Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 57 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mr Bojangles's Truck Pics	Thanks all for inputs..... Just got off the phone with Owner (he said). Told him I would be giving someone else a chance to fix, I have no trust in his shop. Explained he should put ear to ground and ensure things ok in shop. Additionally, I explained I'm retired, plenty of time, will stop in and look him in the eye to ensure I talked to owner. This may be only one of many incidents of incompetence, (replacing two covers and seals, WTF.) It could be that management is happy getting paid for warranty work? Who knows? I at least, gave him one "heads up". The right thing to do... Tomorrow I will give another Dealer a chance to fix. Also, called Chrysler and have Reference # for problem. I hope it's my last call to them....