Anyone making power without a programmer?

[Suprcynic]

I'm thinking about taking my tuner off my truck. I'm not a drag racer and could care less about smoke. I was just wondering if anyone here has a truck modified the "old fashioned" way and is getting good results. I'm just looking for decent dependable power and mileage. Anyone running that kind of setup? Any pros and cons you could throw my way would be great.

Thanks.

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2006 5.9 2500 Regular Cab 4x4 auto SLT. Leveling kit, Debadged, AFE Pro-dry Intake, Quad Boost Fooler, AirLift 5k bags, ATS Exhaust Manifold, Second Gen Intake Horn, Full Dipricol Gauges, Glock 36 Security System, Boss Gooseneck Hitch, Tekonsha P3, Flashtech HID's, Wheland 6 way strobes, 5" FBD turbo back, Zapco 360.4 w/Bostons.

[PhatB]

Why are you taking the tuner off?

As far as "old fashioned" the first things that comes to mind are:
Quick spooling turbo (PS62, Aurora 3000, etc),
Slightly bigger stix
Arson II kit
AirDog 150

IMHO though, this would all be a waste without performance software (i.e. tuner or downloader) to enable the ECM to make full use of the added goodies...

Just my $0.02

Good luck

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'07 Dualie, 5.9, G56, SB3250 DD, Free Flow Exaust, Silencer Ring & Baffles Gutted, **Coaltrain Customer 4 Life** WWW dot Coaltrain Diesel Performance dot Rocks! ! ! !

[Suprcynic]

Maybe it's just the XZT+ but I really don't like the way the engine sounds with this unit on. It sounds like the valves are loose and slamming into everything inside the covers. I'm sure it's normal but to me a loud second gen sounds better than this thing.

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2006 5.9 2500 Regular Cab 4x4 auto SLT. Leveling kit, Debadged, AFE Pro-dry Intake, Quad Boost Fooler, AirLift 5k bags, ATS Exhaust Manifold, Second Gen Intake Horn, Full Dipricol Gauges, Glock 36 Security System, Boss Gooseneck Hitch, Tekonsha P3, Flashtech HID's, Wheland 6 way strobes, 5" FBD turbo back, Zapco 360.4 w/Bostons.

[xdac]

Id sell your chip and think about something else. If you think about it, a chip is easy, fast, and somewhat cheap performance. I'm more than happy with my edge juice with attitude.

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04.5 2500
Kore ● Edge J/A ● AEM Intake ● H2's on 315's ● 5' Dual Exhaust

[dalton06]

ever since I had mine reflashed a while back, with Bullydog in stock mode the low end is awesom but the mid range and top is like stock. When I bump the Bullydog up it seems like my low end goes away a little but my mid and top are really there. Usually, unless I'm gonna play, I keep it on stock. Just seems to do stop-and-go a little better.

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06 2500, Bullydog w/ Outlook Monitor, Boost Fooler, AEM Brute Force Intake, CFM+ Intake, Silverline 4" Duals,POS Auto Meter Phantom Gauges, BD aux lift pump

[Suprcynic]

Originally Posted by xdac

Id sell your chip and think about something else. If you think about it, a chip is easy, fast, and somewhat cheap performance. I'm more than happy with my edge juice with attitude.

Yeah I'll probably end up doing that. What a pain though. I have the pillar mount for the commander and all the sensors running all over the place. Is a Juice worth getting if I don't really want tranny frying power?

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2006 5.9 2500 Regular Cab 4x4 auto SLT. Leveling kit, Debadged, AFE Pro-dry Intake, Quad Boost Fooler, AirLift 5k bags, ATS Exhaust Manifold, Second Gen Intake Horn, Full Dipricol Gauges, Glock 36 Security System, Boss Gooseneck Hitch, Tekonsha P3, Flashtech HID's, Wheland 6 way strobes, 5" FBD turbo back, Zapco 360.4 w/Bostons.

[SmokingFords]

When I think of old fashion,12v comes to mind

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2001 Dodge 2500 Black sport 6 speed BD High HP VP44 Adrenaline/pulse Smoke switch SmartyRevo,.093 tubes DDP 200s HT64/65/14 turbo,southbend DD 3250 ,GFS-392 fuel system,AFE boost tube/ScottieII Snow water/ meth,FBD 5in to 7in tip,35"Nitto's Leving kit 511Hp 1012Tq

[JoeCanuck]

My 2 cents is to leave it in and, if you have the patience, try to get it to do what you want. You may just be up against the limitations of the tuner with your current hardware.

Regardless, if you are happy with the gauge package, keep the thing turned down and use it for monitoring. It's still going to be there if you decide you need some extra juice from time to time.

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'00 Quad Cummins 4x4 Shortbox, Silver. From AZ to AB. Stage I, (50hp), Edge Jammers, Adrenaline (impressive) w/ Pulse, Raptor, Dodge Steering Stabilizer, Luke's Link, Leer tonneau, Mikuni MX-40 coolant heater, BFG T/A's, Isspro FPG.

[xdac]

Originally Posted by Suprcynic

Yeah I'll probably end up doing that. What a pain though. I have the pillar mount for the commander and all the sensors running all over the place. Is a Juice worth getting if I don't really want tranny frying power?

If i drive it around on level 4 or 5..the odd time i can feel it slip or search for a gear. But i have more miles on my tranny than you do, so i wouldnt worry about it that much.
I've raced once on 4, but mostly on level 3. I cruise around on 2 and ive found that being the safest and the best for fuel milage.

Its one of the safest chips out there and i love how you can change the level right away.

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04.5 2500
Kore ● Edge J/A ● AEM Intake ● H2's on 315's ● 5' Dual Exhaust

[Hot Stuff]

Originally Posted by Suprcynic

Yeah I'll probably end up doing that. What a pain though. I have the pillar mount for the commander and all the sensors running all over the place. Is a Juice worth getting if I don't really want tranny frying power?

The Juice will still fry your tranny. I love mine. But I got a 6 speed.

I also find the higher the level you run it the better the MPG gets! I use to run on level 3 for normal driving. But I've switched to level 4 and MPG's went up .5 mpg! And it's more fun to drive and makes more smoke!!

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'03 Black 2500 QC/LB 4x4, 6 speed, BHAF, 2" lift, black H2's, 35" BFG MT's, B&W turnover, Juice w/ Attitude, 5" str8 pipe, BD lift pump, spin on filters, Firestone bags

Ohio Coal Roller

[smokin24valve]

I have a edge drag box but rarely turn it on at all, just when people are riding to close. I get real good mpg's and make decent power with out my box, but I drive it like an old lady because I still have the stock tranny

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96 1500 RCSB 4x4 12v in the works

[xdac]

Originally Posted by Hot Stuff

The Juice will still fry your tranny. I love mine. But I got a 6 speed.

I also find the higher the level you run it the better the MPG gets! I use to run on level 3 for normal driving. But I've switched to level 4 and MPG's went up .5 mpg! And it's more fun to drive and makes more smoke!!

Highway or city..? When i drive around city on 3/5 it seems to suck it down a little faster than on 2.

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04.5 2500
Kore ● Edge J/A ● AEM Intake ● H2's on 315's ● 5' Dual Exhaust