why is powerstroke...

mgraham · 09-07-2007, 12:20 AM

Ok this is a serious question with definite answers needed.. Why is the powerstroke diesel such a bad engine? I mean nothing is worse than hearing a guy who is a dodge or chevy guy say the powerstroke is a horrible engine and then someone will ask why and they will say cause ford sucks.. So is the powerstroke engine really junk and why or is it just the whole debate between chevy, ford, and dodge guys. Everyone knows that cummins is at the top of the pyramid, but is ford really that bad.. I just wish the dodge tranny would be something to brag about......

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***ward.racing*** · 09-07-2007, 12:26 AM

I would own a ford over a chevy any day. I have two of them in my fleet of trucks. An 99 F550 with the 7.3 and 296000 miles with just a clutch, fourth gear fixed, and 3 injectors. the other is an 06 F350 with a 6.0 and 60,000 miles and nothing. Both have CAI, strait piped and programed. They wont pull with my dodges but they do the job well. I hot shot with them and most the loads i haul are in the 15,000 to 20,000 lbs.:thumbsup

P.s. The speedo quit in the 99 in april and i just hadnt fixed it, just ben goin by rpms, so its probly well into the 300,000 mark

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bucket truck · 09-07-2007, 01:04 AM

The 7.3 was a great engine. The 6.0 is also a good engine it just had a lot of kinks when it first came out and had big problems with being chipped. It can be laggy off idle and surge under heavy pedal. But we have had more problems out of trannys than the engines with our fleet.

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mgraham · 09-07-2007, 01:07 AM

thanks for the input guys

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JSPulliam21 · 09-07-2007, 01:09 AM

Nothing at all wrong with the 7.3. My Dad had 2 of them, a 97 and a 02. The 97 had 198000 miles on it when he traded it on the 02. Just got tired of rowin' the gears I guess. We have not had a problem out of either one. The Powerstroke is a great engine for a truck, whether it is a grocery-getter or a tow pig. The Powerstroke is just not as easy or cheap to make big power with. Most of it comes down to Ford vs. Chevy vs. Dodge, though.

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aceracer24 · 09-07-2007, 01:22 AM

In my experience, Ford parts have always cost more then Chevy parts and in some cases Dodge as well. That is one reason I personally do not care for Ford. Not to mention their trucks are pricey in comparison to the other makers.

I just drove one of the new F-350's with the new diesel in it. We just got it in at work. I can't say i was impressed with it but also I was not unimpressed. One thing for certain though, that engine bay is a NIGHTMARE. I would hate to have to work on one

:fist:

I am not against Ford personally I just think they are over priced for both new and used and have yet to drive one that felt good to me. Also just to some google searches on the new engine and you will see there are a ton of problems with the new diesels. THats not totally Fords fault but it's in a Ford truck and that gives cause for people to dog Ford.

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Brody · 09-07-2007, 02:03 AM

my dad has a 03 powerstroke 126000 and he had 2 new sets of injectors turbo and some sensors and crap replaced my uncle has a 04 6.0 113000 he on his 3rd turbo and 2nd set of injectors and a buddy of mine had a 03 6.0 that he had to sell beacuse so much was messed up with it it had 110000 when he sold it. i dont know why ford went from the 7.3 to the 6.0 the 7.3 was a fine engine dad had one before his 6.0 260000 and only thing replaced was a clucth and altenator....oh and all these truck are stock no mods at all

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YamYZ250F · 09-07-2007, 05:57 PM

powerstrokes arent bad engines that is if you have a 7.3 PSD i had 220000 on mine but the previouse owner ran the dogsh!t out of it and didnt take care of it and have a$$ed everything so i got screwed but other then that was a good running engine

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1-TON · 09-07-2007, 06:26 PM

Our ranch truck is a 97 F-350. 228K rebuilt tranny twice, is the only main problem. Then the usual replacements.

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Authority2 · 09-07-2007, 07:08 PM

Don't know much about the powerchokes, but my ole man had an old '86 6.9 E350. had 450,000 on it before the suspension completely fell apart. great truck other than the 4 trannys, and the roller lifter problems he had with it.

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redram2500 · 09-07-2007, 07:38 PM

I've driven pretty much Dodge vehicles pretty much exclusively for 26 years. I'll get that out in the open up front.

I don't think PS's are junk. Ford sells more Diesel pick-ups than GM and Dodge combined. I don't particularly think DM's are junk either but I'm not a big fan of GMC or Chev pick-ups.

I like my 5.9 Cummins and the Ram is the wrapper that came around it. I have to admit that I really, really like the Ford's...my brother-in-law owns one with a PS and it's a great looking truck and it's nice inside and works just like it should.

Had I gotten as good a deal on a Ford or a Chev or a GMC, I'd probably be driving one of those right now. My dream truck would be a 5.9 Cummins (or a 6.7) in an 07 F-350.

Don't listen to 99.9% of what you read on the WWW, especially the negative stuff. People who make themselves feel good by bashing everyone else always get a wide berth from me. Also, cosider if Dodge's came with PS's and Ford's came with a Cummin's, what this and all the other boards would look like and what we'd all have parked in our driveways.

Peace-Out. <Stepping down off soapbox and slipping on Nomex suit.>

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mgraham · 09-07-2007, 10:48 PM

I agree that the fords are nice and look awesome.. except for the 07's.. they are extremely expensive though and you dont get your money's worth at all.. My buddy's 06 has a boost guage and a trans temp guage.. which is real nice. I just wish my dodge had something like that.. but it's got the cummins and that's all that matters. I had a dm a few years ago and I must say that i prefer the cummins.. just wish I had an allison..

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09-07-2007, 12:20 AM	#1 (permalink)
mgraham Cummins Fan Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Gville, SC Posts: 88 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts mgraham's Truck Pics	why is powerstroke... Ok this is a serious question with definite answers needed.. Why is the powerstroke diesel such a bad engine? I mean nothing is worse than hearing a guy who is a dodge or chevy guy say the powerstroke is a horrible engine and then someone will ask why and they will say cause ford sucks.. So is the powerstroke engine really junk and why or is it just the whole debate between chevy, ford, and dodge guys. Everyone knows that cummins is at the top of the pyramid, but is ford really that bad.. I just wish the dodge tranny would be something to brag about...... __________________ 2007 2500 SLT Quad Cab Bighorn - 5.9L, auto, 4x4, smarty, 5" turbo back, cat delete..

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09-07-2007, 12:26 AM	#2 (permalink)
*ward.racing* Racin Fool Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wilburton Ok Posts: 914 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts ward.racing's Truck Pics	I would own a ford over a chevy any day. I have two of them in my fleet of trucks. An 99 F550 with the 7.3 and 296000 miles with just a clutch, fourth gear fixed, and 3 injectors. the other is an 06 F350 with a 6.0 and 60,000 miles and nothing. Both have CAI, strait piped and programed. They wont pull with my dodges but they do the job well. I hot shot with them and most the loads i haul are in the 15,000 to 20,000 lbs.:thumbsup P.s. The speedo quit in the 99 in april and i just hadnt fixed it, just ben goin by rpms, so its probly well into the 300,000 mark __________________ RACE RIG 2001 2500 4wd.,p-pump in progress, FARMBOYS DIESEL, Engineered Diesel, source automotive, Industrial Injection, Nx2, Flexalite, Hellman Performance, Lazaar smith. TOW RIG 2000 3500 4x4 5 spd. 240's, two spinny thingys, 7 in stack. WORK RIG 08 3500 auto. DPF and EGR missing. 5in exhaust Edge Juice w/Attitude. AFE CAI.

09-07-2007, 01:04 AM	#3 (permalink)
bucket truck Got Lights? Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Montgomery/Slapout , Alabama Posts: 1,018 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts bucket truck's Truck Pics	The 7.3 was a great engine. The 6.0 is also a good engine it just had a lot of kinks when it first came out and had big problems with being chipped. It can be laggy off idle and surge under heavy pedal. But we have had more problems out of trannys than the engines with our fleet. __________________ 2001 extra cab 2500 SLT laramie (dark blue over silver) 4x4 S.O. 55 block, 47re, silencer ring/resonator/muffler are MIA, gauges, big bumper up front, B&W turnover ball, 315 buck shots, and Quadzilla XZT+ (thanks DieselNut) '89 GMC Sierra SLX 1500 4x4 186K 350TBI w/custom 400 tranny '06 Freightliner Business Class M2 106 tandem w/lockers,30k# winch, and Altec digger/derrick

09-07-2007, 01:07 AM	#4 (permalink)
mgraham Cummins Fan Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Gville, SC Posts: 88 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts mgraham's Truck Pics	thanks for the input guys __________________ 2007 2500 SLT Quad Cab Bighorn - 5.9L, auto, 4x4, smarty, 5" turbo back, cat delete..

09-07-2007, 01:09 AM	#5 (permalink)
JSPulliam21 Diesel Freak Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Castalian Springs, TN Posts: 884 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts JSPulliam21's Truck Pics	Nothing at all wrong with the 7.3. My Dad had 2 of them, a 97 and a 02. The 97 had 198000 miles on it when he traded it on the 02. Just got tired of rowin' the gears I guess. We have not had a problem out of either one. The Powerstroke is a great engine for a truck, whether it is a grocery-getter or a tow pig. The Powerstroke is just not as easy or cheap to make big power with. Most of it comes down to Ford vs. Chevy vs. Dodge, though. __________________ 98.5 3500 QC LB NV4500 4x4 3.55 SRW, DiPricol gauges, BHAF, 4" Silverline, FBD 150's, Edge Comp, Valair 3800 DD, Draw Straw, 1/2" Filter to IP Line, FASS 95HPFP, 2" Leveling Kit, DSS, 35" Toyo M/T, KDP killed 403HP/899 TQ

09-07-2007, 01:22 AM	#6 (permalink)
aceracer24 Cummins Enthusiast Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 210 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts aceracer24's Truck Pics	In my experience, Ford parts have always cost more then Chevy parts and in some cases Dodge as well. That is one reason I personally do not care for Ford. Not to mention their trucks are pricey in comparison to the other makers. I just drove one of the new F-350's with the new diesel in it. We just got it in at work. I can't say i was impressed with it but also I was not unimpressed. One thing for certain though, that engine bay is a NIGHTMARE. I would hate to have to work on one :fist: I am not against Ford personally I just think they are over priced for both new and used and have yet to drive one that felt good to me. Also just to some google searches on the new engine and you will see there are a ton of problems with the new diesels. THats not totally Fords fault but it's in a Ford truck and that gives cause for people to dog Ford. __________________ '04 3500 Laramie SB QC 4x4 305/555 CTD, 48RE, AFE Stage 2 CAI, 4" Aero 4040 Turbine, Banks Six-Gun w/PowerPDA, Tone Ring Mod, 35/12.50/17 MT Baja Claw Radials, 2" Leveling Kit Last edited by aceracer24 : 09-07-2007 at 01:25 AM.

09-07-2007, 02:03 AM	#7 (permalink)
Brody Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Prosper Texas Posts: 131 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Brody's Truck Pics	my dad has a 03 powerstroke 126000 and he had 2 new sets of injectors turbo and some sensors and crap replaced my uncle has a 04 6.0 113000 he on his 3rd turbo and 2nd set of injectors and a buddy of mine had a 03 6.0 that he had to sell beacuse so much was messed up with it it had 110000 when he sold it. i dont know why ford went from the 7.3 to the 6.0 the 7.3 was a fine engine dad had one before his 6.0 260000 and only thing replaced was a clucth and altenator....oh and all these truck are stock no mods at all __________________ 2005 3500 4x4 stock for now!

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YamYZ250F Diesel Freak Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: columbus Oh Posts: 708 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post YamYZ250F's Truck Pics	powerstrokes arent bad engines that is if you have a 7.3 PSD i had 220000 on mine but the previouse owner ran the dogsh!t out of it and didnt take care of it and have a$$ed everything so i got screwed but other then that was a good running engine __________________ 2006 Dodge 2500 Quad Cab Long bed 4x4, Magnaflow Muffler, Cat is MIA, HM 4" intake, 2.5" HBS leveling kit, and 285 A/T's, Edge MM www.OhioCoalRollers.com

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1-TON Diesel Head Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: BORGER, TEXAS Posts: 1,546 Thanks: 10 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post 1-TON's Truck Pics	Our ranch truck is a 97 F-350. 228K rebuilt tranny twice, is the only main problem. Then the usual replacements. __________________ *2005 3500, QUAD-CAB, 6-SPEED, 2WD, 61K MILES, AEM WORK HORSE CAI, MUFFLER IS MIA*

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Authority2 HB Delux Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ramona, Ca Posts: 71 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Authority2's Truck Pics	Don't know much about the powerchokes, but my ole man had an old '86 6.9 E350. had 450,000 on it before the suspension completely fell apart. great truck other than the 4 trannys, and the roller lifter problems he had with it. __________________ '99 4x4, 6" Skyjacker lift, edge juice, BD 110 inj., MBRP 4" turbo back w/dual stacks, Summit intake, smarty, custom bumper, & '81 Pete 100gal fuel tank.

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redram2500 Cummins Fan Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 65 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts redram2500's Truck Pics	I've driven pretty much Dodge vehicles pretty much exclusively for 26 years. I'll get that out in the open up front. I don't think PS's are junk. Ford sells more Diesel pick-ups than GM and Dodge combined. I don't particularly think DM's are junk either but I'm not a big fan of GMC or Chev pick-ups. I like my 5.9 Cummins and the Ram is the wrapper that came around it. I have to admit that I really, really like the Ford's...my brother-in-law owns one with a PS and it's a great looking truck and it's nice inside and works just like it should. Had I gotten as good a deal on a Ford or a Chev or a GMC, I'd probably be driving one of those right now. My dream truck would be a 5.9 Cummins (or a 6.7) in an 07 F-350. Don't listen to 99.9% of what you read on the WWW, especially the negative stuff. People who make themselves feel good by bashing everyone else always get a wide berth from me. Also, cosider if Dodge's came with PS's and Ford's came with a Cummin's, what this and all the other boards would look like and what we'd all have parked in our driveways. Peace-Out. <Stepping down off soapbox and slipping on Nomex suit.> __________________ 2003 Dodge Ram 2500 Laramie Short Bed Quad Cab Cummins HO 2WD 6SP NV5600

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mgraham Cummins Fan Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Gville, SC Posts: 88 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts mgraham's Truck Pics	I agree that the fords are nice and look awesome.. except for the 07's.. they are extremely expensive though and you dont get your money's worth at all.. My buddy's 06 has a boost guage and a trans temp guage.. which is real nice. I just wish my dodge had something like that.. but it's got the cummins and that's all that matters. I had a dm a few years ago and I must say that i prefer the cummins.. just wish I had an allison.. __________________ 2007 2500 SLT Quad Cab Bighorn - 5.9L, auto, 4x4, smarty, 5" turbo back, cat delete..