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mrmoparwl · 09-30-2009, 08:15 AM

You go pepsi71ocean. For sure the cummins like its bigger cousins dont have hydraulic lash adjusters is simple, if aint broke and works fine leave it alone, plus for those of us that like to tune engines and do regular maintanence it is more of a mind set.....

pepsi71ocean · 09-30-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mrmoparwl

You go pepsi71ocean. For sure the cummins like its bigger cousins dont have hydraulic lash adjusters is simple, if aint broke and works fine leave it alone, plus for those of us that like to tune engines and do regular maintanence it is more of a mind set.....

and that is why 70% of the parts from the 5.9L were enlarged and carried over to the 6.7L

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former6.0owner · 10-01-2009, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mrmoparwl

You go pepsi71ocean. For sure the cummins like its bigger cousins dont have hydraulic lash adjusters is simple, if aint broke and works fine leave it alone, plus for those of us that like to tune engines and do regular maintanence it is more of a mind set.....

Don't mind the maintenance, especially with all the room under the hood compared to the ford. I was just curious about whether the solid lifter choice was due to reliability, fuel economy, etc. I've seen a collapsed hydraulic lifter exactly once, and that was in a car whose owner considered oil changes a yearly luxury. That lifter was the least of her problems.

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pepsi71ocean · 10-01-2009, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by former6.0owner

Don't mind the maintenance, especially with all the room under the hood compared to the ford. I was just curious about whether the solid lifter choice was due to reliability, fuel economy, etc. I've seen a collapsed hydraulic lifter exactly once, and that was in a car whose owner considered oil changes a yearly luxury. That lifter was the least of her problems.

Solid lifters are more for performance and high power/sustained power applications. I believe solid lifters, and roller rocker arms were done for reliability, i mean your fighting 17:1 compression, and you also have alot of pressure forcing down the valves among other things.

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91cumminsbaby · 10-08-2009, 11:39 AM

I have only been in to diesels for a couple of years and all i have been around is cummins. So it's been programmed in to my my head. Powerjoke sucks! And so does Duraslack!

former6.0owner · 10-09-2009, 01:22 AM

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I have only been in to diesels for a couple of years and all i have been around is cummins. So it's been programmed in to my my head. Powerjoke sucks! And so does Duraslack!

Agree with you 100% with the exception of the 7.3L. Some here might argue, but IMHO that engine was just as trustworthy as the 5.9. If ford ever folds, the 6.0 and subsequent engines will have been a contributor. It's a shame that emissions did away with that motor-I personally know of a tow truck and ambulance that achieved just shy of one million miles prior to a rebuild with the 7.3. When I decided to bail on my 6.0, I had a choice between looking at used 5.9's and 7.3's. The 7.3 has been out of production a bit longer, so I made my choice and am happy for it. Back in my armored car days, we used 6.2 and 6.5 liter GM's in the smallest trucks (the larger ones were cat/topkick, class 8 after that). Don't know how the current crop is, but I wasn't impressed with what I saw then. Plenty of power out of those motors for the day, but they threw belt tensioners left and right. One truck I drove with the 6.5 would runaway at the slightest application of the throttle in neutral. **Edited to add that I also got to spend some quality time with the old idi 6.9L ford. I got dusted by geo metros in that thing, but I'll be damned if it didn't start up and do it's job after sitting for 3 months every time.

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elsoyars · 10-18-2009, 01:08 AM

Cummins for sure. Reliable, great mileage, and you can turn em up easily and still get good mpg. Now ford 7.3 strokers are good, but 6.0s have a lot problems.

mosi3rdually · 10-30-2009, 10:52 PM

Def go with a cummins....ford power"jokes" are noise not power and with a cummins yu get everything

xidex · 10-31-2009, 02:59 AM

I was in the OP's dilemma some time ago, ford,chev or dodge, all i knew is my 06 F150 lease was up and I had to decide either to buy it out (awesome truck) or get the truck i really wanted which was a 1 ton diesel 4x4.
I've always been a ford guy but as i did on my car when i purchased it was i'm going to research all makes narrow down my search and make my decision based on facts.
- for looks the ford (imo) was the winner hands down
-i wanted tough, well chev has IFS and omg the truck is brutal for looks- ford and dodge had solid axles
-i wanted a reliable diesel, everything i read was durmax was the best slightly above the cummins and PS followed up but all my research showed they all have their problems with the 04 and 05 PS being the bad apples but i did read alot were quite reliable, but way too many negative stories to take my chances on getting a bad one. duramax had best mileage with the ford the worst, ford and chev trannies were good (well chev had a bad start) and dodges were notorious for their trannies, dodges were notorious for front end problems
-facts pointed to Ford for the overall best truck for toughness and reliabily but had the weakest motor
-friend of mine at work who did months of research before he bought his truck ended up buying a Cummins but has saved money on the side because he knows his tranny is going to blow- wasnt even a question to him, he just knew it was going to go- that scared me
-but again i was looking at this with an open mind... i test drove all 3 brands, brand new and used. chev was a cushy car that was not a truck, the ford and dodge drive and rode like a truck - my f150 was so far ahead of all these trucks but hey i wanted a 1 ton tough truck so enough with missing my f150's ride quality
-at this point chev was gone even though i did look at 2 used trucks, i was actually looking at a 2500HD '06 GMC when out of the corner of my eye i spotted a '06 crew cab f350 lariat sitting there looking at me which was a lease return. i checked it out and it was mint, had 54000 kms on it, test drove it and all the works, sales man was all over me but i stuck to my guns and kept on my research. After many test drives, hours (days) of reading on all these forums and all over the internet i went back to the '06 f350 and bought it. After talking to alot of people and reading i determined ford/IH had worked the bugs out of the 6.0 and the 06/07 models were reliable and also my favorite looking ford truck. I have never looked back, the oasis report came out clear and never had a problem. truck is flawless, tows great and so on.
Dodge was my second choice but only cause of the cummins motors which from the 3 hours of reading i just did tonight on this forum is what you all agree on but that all you guys talk about is the cummins, very few really praise the truck itself which is what i came to a conclusion myself for dodge. imo a ford with a cummins would be the ultimate truck, well until the new 2011 ps is out...

xidex · 10-31-2009, 03:11 AM

other thing i noticed you all are the same, you bash ford and chevs and so on, i read oh i used to be ford guy but now its dodge for life cause i had a lemon. The funny thing is you go to the ford or chev boards and they are reformed dodge guys that will never buy a dodge again cause all the problems they had. its a vicious circle lol. something to note is all auto makers can make a lemon or hell the whole model has been known to be a lemon like the chevy vega, but i dont think you can lose on whatever make of truck you buy, all three make some pretty nice trucks and diesels, personally i'm proud Ford didnt take a buy out and stuck it out with some smart decisions.
but kudos to the cummins, certainly cant lose out if you buy one, specially the pre 6.7's

hulkaman2003 · 11-11-2009, 02:18 PM

I agree with the majority, unless you're planning on buying a Ford with the 7.3, then I'd go with the Cummins. The 6.0 cost Ford their diesel following, and Ford had to buy back over a hundred thousand units due to people being miffed. I did hear the 6.4 is better then the 6.0 but, have little experience with it. I have seen the internals of all four engines and the Cummins is the heaviest built (I still run the 5.9L in my 94) and even the 7.3 crank, rods , etc are visibly much smaller and lighter than the 5.9 and to avoid arguement I'll hold my tounge with the duramax (although the Allison trans that you can have mated to it is awesome to say the least, unfortunately I'm not aware of a Cummins/Allison option (somebody correct me if I'm wrong). Best of luck on your descision, Dave.

Moparman · 11-11-2009, 02:44 PM

Beans Diesel has an adaptor plate for the Cummins/Allison mating in the Chevy/GMC trucks.

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10-31-2009, 02:59 AM	#429 (permalink)
xidex Newbie Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts xidex's Truck Pics	pick what ya like I was in the OP's dilemma some time ago, ford,chev or dodge, all i knew is my 06 F150 lease was up and I had to decide either to buy it out (awesome truck) or get the truck i really wanted which was a 1 ton diesel 4x4. I've always been a ford guy but as i did on my car when i purchased it was i'm going to research all makes narrow down my search and make my decision based on facts. - for looks the ford (imo) was the winner hands down -i wanted tough, well chev has IFS and omg the truck is brutal for looks- ford and dodge had solid axles -i wanted a reliable diesel, everything i read was durmax was the best slightly above the cummins and PS followed up but all my research showed they all have their problems with the 04 and 05 PS being the bad apples but i did read alot were quite reliable, but way too many negative stories to take my chances on getting a bad one. duramax had best mileage with the ford the worst, ford and chev trannies were good (well chev had a bad start) and dodges were notorious for their trannies, dodges were notorious for front end problems -facts pointed to Ford for the overall best truck for toughness and reliabily but had the weakest motor -friend of mine at work who did months of research before he bought his truck ended up buying a Cummins but has saved money on the side because he knows his tranny is going to blow- wasnt even a question to him, he just knew it was going to go- that scared me -but again i was looking at this with an open mind... i test drove all 3 brands, brand new and used. chev was a cushy car that was not a truck, the ford and dodge drive and rode like a truck - my f150 was so far ahead of all these trucks but hey i wanted a 1 ton tough truck so enough with missing my f150's ride quality -at this point chev was gone even though i did look at 2 used trucks, i was actually looking at a 2500HD '06 GMC when out of the corner of my eye i spotted a '06 crew cab f350 lariat sitting there looking at me which was a lease return. i checked it out and it was mint, had 54000 kms on it, test drove it and all the works, sales man was all over me but i stuck to my guns and kept on my research. After many test drives, hours (days) of reading on all these forums and all over the internet i went back to the '06 f350 and bought it. After talking to alot of people and reading i determined ford/IH had worked the bugs out of the 6.0 and the 06/07 models were reliable and also my favorite looking ford truck. I have never looked back, the oasis report came out clear and never had a problem. truck is flawless, tows great and so on. Dodge was my second choice but only cause of the cummins motors which from the 3 hours of reading i just did tonight on this forum is what you all agree on but that all you guys talk about is the cummins, very few really praise the truck itself which is what i came to a conclusion myself for dodge. imo a ford with a cummins would be the ultimate truck, well until the new 2011 ps is out...

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09-30-2009, 08:15 AM	#421 (permalink)
mrmoparwl Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Prince George BC Canada Posts: 100 Thanks: 5 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts mrmoparwl's Truck Pics	You go pepsi71ocean. For sure the cummins like its bigger cousins dont have hydraulic lash adjusters is simple, if aint broke and works fine leave it alone, plus for those of us that like to tune engines and do regular maintanence it is more of a mind set.....

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10-08-2009, 11:39 AM	#425 (permalink)
91cumminsbaby Newbie Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts 91cumminsbaby's Truck Pics	I have only been in to diesels for a couple of years and all i have been around is cummins. So it's been programmed in to my my head. Powerjoke sucks! And so does Duraslack!

10-18-2009, 01:08 AM	#427 (permalink)
elsoyars Newbie Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: San Antonio Posts: 27 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts elsoyars's Truck Pics	Cummins for sure. Reliable, great mileage, and you can turn em up easily and still get good mpg. Now ford 7.3 strokers are good, but 6.0s have a lot problems.

10-30-2009, 10:52 PM	#428 (permalink)
mosi3rdually Newbie Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts mosi3rdually's Truck Pics	Def go with a cummins....ford power"jokes" are noise not power and with a cummins yu get everything

10-31-2009, 03:11 AM	#430 (permalink)
xidex Newbie Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts xidex's Truck Pics	other thing i noticed you all are the same, you bash ford and chevs and so on, i read oh i used to be ford guy but now its dodge for life cause i had a lemon. The funny thing is you go to the ford or chev boards and they are reformed dodge guys that will never buy a dodge again cause all the problems they had. its a vicious circle lol. something to note is all auto makers can make a lemon or hell the whole model has been known to be a lemon like the chevy vega, but i dont think you can lose on whatever make of truck you buy, all three make some pretty nice trucks and diesels, personally i'm proud Ford didnt take a buy out and stuck it out with some smart decisions. but kudos to the cummins, certainly cant lose out if you buy one, specially the pre 6.7's

11-11-2009, 02:18 PM	#431 (permalink)
hulkaman2003 Newbie Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts hulkaman2003's Truck Pics	I agree with the majority, unless you're planning on buying a Ford with the 7.3, then I'd go with the Cummins. The 6.0 cost Ford their diesel following, and Ford had to buy back over a hundred thousand units due to people being miffed. I did hear the 6.4 is better then the 6.0 but, have little experience with it. I have seen the internals of all four engines and the Cummins is the heaviest built (I still run the 5.9L in my 94) and even the 7.3 crank, rods , etc are visibly much smaller and lighter than the 5.9 and to avoid arguement I'll hold my tounge with the duramax (although the Allison trans that you can have mated to it is awesome to say the least, unfortunately I'm not aware of a Cummins/Allison option (somebody correct me if I'm wrong). Best of luck on your descision, Dave.

11-11-2009, 02:44 PM	#432 (permalink)
Moparman Diesel Freak Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: arlington tx Posts: 953 Thanks: 23 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts Moparman's Truck Pics	Beans Diesel has an adaptor plate for the Cummins/Allison mating in the Chevy/GMC trucks. __________________ 2006 white quad cab Dodge dually, G56, True Flow XDI air filter system, FilterMag, am/fm/cd/sirius, Fluidampr, LineX bedliner, 3.73, gooseneck hitch, Mag-Hytec rear diff cover, rear bags w/ in-cab controls, P235/80R17 Michelin LTX M&S on stock wheels