Picking a Fuel Stop

Hawk62cj5 · 07-02-2009, 01:53 PM

I work on gas stations for a living so I wanted to give yall some tips to help yall get the cleanest fuel in your trucks.
Ill be updating this as I get pics and think of things .

1. Do not use the ultra high flow pumps like the pumps on the big rig fuel island . Most are not filtered and there meters do a great job grinding up rust flakes and line gunk. I had some pics I took showing the different high flow pumps vs standard flow . As soon as I find them Ill get them up on this thread . Standard flow pumps normally have 30 micron filters on them for diesel . If the filters are mounted externally see if the are hydrosorb filters . If they are they have a chemical that solidifies over the element if water contacts it severely limiting flow there for warning of water in the fuel .So a quick break down of pumps by flow . This is a rough guide there are alot of varibles

6-12 gallons a minute; Standard pump Filters very likly
10-25 Gallons a minute ; High flow Most newer dispensers are filtered and older models are hit and miss
20-65 gals a minute ; Ultra high flow Very low chance of it being filtered or even strained.

Ok took some quick pics today not the best but they were near where I was working
A high flow diesel pump on the right and a standard flow gas pump on the left This isnt a perfect exsample because someone jerry rigged a standard flow nozzle on the diesel for the RV lane. But note the hose size difference .

Here is your typical high flow or ultra high flow pump .

Which is it you ask ? Theres no way to tell , this chassis design is been in production for over 20 years with standard flow,high flow and ultra high flow meters in them. So how do I know its a high flow or ultra high? The large diameter hose and large nozzle , its a opw 7H nozzle which is a common brand name the 7H is stamped where you hold it at and is used only in high and ultra high pumps. I do not normally fill up on this type pump because of the likely hood of it being nonfiltered . Now if it has a small nozzle and hose on it it is a standard flow and is most likely filtered.

2.Stay away from low volume stations because most have some water in there tanks and more gunk in the lines. Look for stations that are mini truck stops that have diesel in there auto island . This can be tricky because some stations have a separate auto tank from the truck island tank . I will update with pics later showing what to look for when you pull up to give you an idea if it is a shared tank or not.

Typical low volume station , a single diesel pump for the whole station which is in bad condition .

This station may do 100-200 gals a day so fuel in there 10K tank sets a while causing stuff like this to build up especially since the USLD switch. For ref those floats are 4" dia.

3. If you see a tanker dropping fuel keep on rolling . It really churns up the trash in the tank and normally tanks it 8 to 12 hours to start to settle .

4. Tank fields .....place holder, details coming soon.

Updates and more coming later.

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Last edited by Hawk62cj5 : 07-02-2009 at 07:34 PM.

**SmokinTheHippies** · 07-02-2009, 01:58 PM

this should be stickied. especially when the pics and more info rolls in.

some good info,
i knew about the sediment being shifted when they are filling the tanks, but didnt know about not using hiflow pumps. i actually prefered them...dam

the spot i like is about what you talk about, its a truck stop, that has sepereate pumps and tanks for its auto side, comes out slow so i'm guessing its filtered.

for good info!

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Hawk62cj5 · 07-02-2009, 07:48 PM

Dont feel bad I used to love high flow pumps till I started working on them and got to see all the trash they let flow through.

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**SmokinTheHippies** · 07-04-2009, 02:59 AM

hey mods. i really think this needs to be stuck on a forum. great info from an inside source ...

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2002 2500 HO 6 spd 4x4 -433HP- Feb '09 ROTM. Gone to new home!
Thanks Holland Court Diesel!
In search of my next Pig.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axAEF...=youtube_gdata
...."your half a maaaaannn!"

2500 Grunt · 07-06-2009, 02:54 AM

I wish there was an aftermarket slap on filter that could be quickly installed on the filler nozzle at the fuel stations for us? Good info!

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BBRam · 07-06-2009, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokinTheHippies

hey mods. i really think this needs to be stuck on a forum. great info from an inside source ...

Done deal.

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**SmokinTheHippies** · 07-06-2009, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BBRam

Done deal.

sweet, hawk keep putting up more good insight!

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2002 2500 HO 6 spd 4x4 -433HP- Feb '09 ROTM. Gone to new home!
Thanks Holland Court Diesel!
In search of my next Pig.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axAEF...=youtube_gdata
...."your half a maaaaannn!"

cmns2500 · 07-06-2009, 05:47 PM

very niiice info...

i fill up at the local Shell, i hope they move plenty of fuel....

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Hawk62cj5 · 07-12-2009, 11:45 PM

Im just coming off of vacation so Ill add some more most likely tues night.

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weasel1088 · 07-13-2009, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2500 Grunt

I wish there was an aftermarket slap on filter that could be quickly installed on the filler nozzle at the fuel stations for us? Good info!

Now that sounds like a money maker right there.

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Cummins_Chevy · 08-12-2009, 06:13 PM

Bump for more info.

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Dodgefan01 · 08-14-2009, 07:34 AM

I guess i won't complain about slow pumps from now on

Great info Hawk!

Do you think you could post pics that aren't hidden by those behind a firewall?!

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07-02-2009, 01:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
Hawk62cj5 Cummins Fan Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Southern VA Posts: 70 Thanks: 0 Thanked 23 Times in 1 Post Hawk62cj5's Truck Pics	Picking a Fuel Stop I work on gas stations for a living so I wanted to give yall some tips to help yall get the cleanest fuel in your trucks. Ill be updating this as I get pics and think of things . 1. Do not use the ultra high flow pumps like the pumps on the big rig fuel island . Most are not filtered and there meters do a great job grinding up rust flakes and line gunk. I had some pics I took showing the different high flow pumps vs standard flow . As soon as I find them Ill get them up on this thread . Standard flow pumps normally have 30 micron filters on them for diesel . If the filters are mounted externally see if the are hydrosorb filters . If they are they have a chemical that solidifies over the element if water contacts it severely limiting flow there for warning of water in the fuel .So a quick break down of pumps by flow . This is a rough guide there are alot of varibles 6-12 gallons a minute; Standard pump Filters very likly 10-25 Gallons a minute ; High flow Most newer dispensers are filtered and older models are hit and miss 20-65 gals a minute ; Ultra high flow Very low chance of it being filtered or even strained. Ok took some quick pics today not the best but they were near where I was working A high flow diesel pump on the right and a standard flow gas pump on the left This isnt a perfect exsample because someone jerry rigged a standard flow nozzle on the diesel for the RV lane. But note the hose size difference . Here is your typical high flow or ultra high flow pump . Which is it you ask ? Theres no way to tell , this chassis design is been in production for over 20 years with standard flow,high flow and ultra high flow meters in them. So how do I know its a high flow or ultra high? The large diameter hose and large nozzle , its a opw 7H nozzle which is a common brand name the 7H is stamped where you hold it at and is used only in high and ultra high pumps. I do not normally fill up on this type pump because of the likely hood of it being nonfiltered . Now if it has a small nozzle and hose on it it is a standard flow and is most likely filtered. 2.Stay away from low volume stations because most have some water in there tanks and more gunk in the lines. Look for stations that are mini truck stops that have diesel in there auto island . This can be tricky because some stations have a separate auto tank from the truck island tank . I will update with pics later showing what to look for when you pull up to give you an idea if it is a shared tank or not. Typical low volume station , a single diesel pump for the whole station which is in bad condition . This station may do 100-200 gals a day so fuel in there 10K tank sets a while causing stuff like this to build up especially since the USLD switch. For ref those floats are 4" dia. 3. If you see a tanker dropping fuel keep on rolling . It really churns up the trash in the tank and normally tanks it 8 to 12 hours to start to settle . 4. Tank fields .....place holder, details coming soon. Updates and more coming later. __________________ 06 5.9 TD , MODless , Prodigy brake controller Recreational Use , Jeep hauler, Fishing rig hauler and camper dragger. Last edited by Hawk62cj5 : 07-02-2009 at 07:34 PM.

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07-02-2009, 01:58 PM	#2 (permalink)
SmokinTheHippies Northern CA Chapter VP Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Sunnyale CA Posts: 3,875 Thanks: 365 Thanked 79 Times in 58 Posts SmokinTheHippies's Truck Pics	this should be stickied. especially when the pics and more info rolls in. some good info, i knew about the sediment being shifted when they are filling the tanks, but didnt know about not using hiflow pumps. i actually prefered them...dam the spot i like is about what you talk about, its a truck stop, that has sepereate pumps and tanks for its auto side, comes out slow so i'm guessing its filtered. for good info! __________________ 2002 2500 HO 6 spd 4x4 -433HP- Feb '09 ROTM. Gone to new home! Thanks Holland Court Diesel! In search of my next Pig. *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axAEF...=youtube_gdata* ...."your half a maaaaannn!"

07-02-2009, 07:48 PM	#3 (permalink)
Hawk62cj5 Cummins Fan Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Southern VA Posts: 70 Thanks: 0 Thanked 23 Times in 1 Post Hawk62cj5's Truck Pics	Dont feel bad I used to love high flow pumps till I started working on them and got to see all the trash they let flow through. __________________ 06 5.9 TD , MODless , Prodigy brake controller Recreational Use , Jeep hauler, Fishing rig hauler and camper dragger.

07-04-2009, 02:59 AM	#4 (permalink)
SmokinTheHippies Northern CA Chapter VP Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Sunnyale CA Posts: 3,875 Thanks: 365 Thanked 79 Times in 58 Posts SmokinTheHippies's Truck Pics	hey mods. i really think this needs to be stuck on a forum. great info from an inside source ... __________________ 2002 2500 HO 6 spd 4x4 -433HP- Feb '09 ROTM. Gone to new home! Thanks Holland Court Diesel! In search of my next Pig. *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axAEF...=youtube_gdata* ...."your half a maaaaannn!"

07-06-2009, 02:54 AM	#5 (permalink)
2500 Grunt Cummins Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Az Posts: 298 Thanks: 3 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts 2500 Grunt's Truck Pics	I wish there was an aftermarket slap on filter that could be quickly installed on the filler nozzle at the fuel stations for us? Good info! __________________ 2005 2500 slt, H.D. 4x4, L.B. auto-48 re, Auto Meter tri pillar gauge stack, EGT probe is pre turbo b/t #5,6, Air Raid filter box(ez fit) with modified air box tube, Edge Cr Ez, no juice, Pusher intake horn, train horns, Side marker lights, Lo Jack w/ early warning.

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cmns2500 Diesel Head Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: THE REPUBLIC OF TEXAS Posts: 5,339 Thanks: 544 Thanked 139 Times in 127 Posts cmns2500's Truck Pics	very niiice info... i fill up at the local Shell, i hope they move plenty of fuel.... __________________ CJ's truck....got a problem w/ your VP powered truck?? click===>>this link 02 5 speed/stock ish... w/ a Scan Gauge II monitorin stuff... TCW3 Two Stroke lubin er up...

07-12-2009, 11:45 PM	#9 (permalink)
Hawk62cj5 Cummins Fan Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Southern VA Posts: 70 Thanks: 0 Thanked 23 Times in 1 Post Hawk62cj5's Truck Pics	Im just coming off of vacation so Ill add some more most likely tues night. __________________ 06 5.9 TD , MODless , Prodigy brake controller Recreational Use , Jeep hauler, Fishing rig hauler and camper dragger.

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Cummins_Chevy Cummins Nut Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Surrounded by corn in, Indiana Posts: 428 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Cummins_Chevy's Truck Pics	Bump for more info. __________________ 1991 W350 CTD NV4500/NP205. 5" lift, 35" BFG m/t's, HX40, soon to get a p-stroke IC I'd rather have a straight six than a bent 8

08-14-2009, 07:34 AM	#12 (permalink)
Dodgefan01 Diesel Freak Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: EAFB, AK Posts: 922 Thanks: 3 Thanked 14 Times in 13 Posts Dodgefan01's Truck Pics	I guess i won't complain about slow pumps from now on Great info Hawk! Do you think you could post pics that aren't hidden by those behind a firewall?! __________________ *2006 DODGE RAM CTD TRX* Mods? What mods?!