California Diesel Owners Need Your Help!!!!1

[dezl]

Alright Diesel Fanatics!!!!

Californians need your help, as I’m sure many of you know California will be implementing new smog requirements for diesel vehicles starting January 2010.There will be a visual inspection, snap test, and a few others. Not only is this going to cost us a tremendous amount of money but I personally think it will have adverse affects on our automakers which as you know are already struggling.

Here is our argument, Diesel vehicles equipped with a DPF Filter are doing more harm than good, they are restricting these engines so much cause them to get terrible fuel mileage. In return we as diesel owners are burning through fossil fuels which will do more long term damage that a little soot.

So fellow diesel enthusiasts, California diesel owners are asking for help! I am personally putting together a petition that we are going to send to Greg Coburn (who is the guy in charge of the diesel smog crap; Number included 916-255-2979). We have planned to gather stock and bombed trucks and run them both at a smog shop and see the difference with our own eyes.

So please if anyone is willing to help let me know, you can send me a PM or email me at knicker5555@yahoo.com. We have several names on our petition list and of course we are looking for more!!!!

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08 Chevy LMM 6" lift 20" monsters w/35's, other than that all stock.

69 Chevelle, BB 427, Ported and polished heads, Custom cam, 10.5/1 compression, Forged TRW pistons, 1.7 Roller rockers, Holley 750 double pumper, Stage 2 TH 400, 12 bolt rear end

[Cummins6speed]

Originally Posted by dezl

Alright Diesel Fanatics!!!!

Californians need your help, as I’m sure many of you know California will be implementing new smog requirements for diesel vehicles starting January 2010.There will be a visual inspection, snap test, and a few others. Not only is this going to cost us a tremendous amount of money but I personally think it will have adverse affects on our automakers which as you know are already struggling.

Here is our argument, Diesel vehicles equipped with a DPF Filter are doing more harm than good, they are restricting these engines so much cause them to get terrible fuel mileage. In return we as diesel owners are burning through fossil fuels which will do more long term damage that a little soot.

So fellow diesel enthusiasts, California diesel owners are asking for help! I am personally putting together a petition that we are going to send to Greg Coburn (who is the guy in charge of the diesel smog crap; Number included 916-255-2979). We have planned to gather stock and bombed trucks and run them both at a smog shop and see the difference with our own eyes.

So please if anyone is willing to help let me know, you can send me a PM or email me at knicker5555@yahoo.com. We have several names on our petition list and of course we are looking for more!!!!

Im down to help

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My truck: 06 5.9 G56 4x4 Quad Cab Short Bed Patriot Blue. Smarty TNT, Valair 3600DD, DiPricol's, Home made intake w/ amsoil filter, Straight Piped w/ 7" tip, silencer ring MIA, glove box sticker MIA 2/28/09-470hp/980tq

IBEW 551-PACIFIC COAST DIESEL

[dezl]

Originally Posted by Cummins6speed

Im down to help

Thanks man, Pm me your info so I can put you on the list!!!

Come on fellas we really need your help with this, when I spoke the (nasty word) who is putting the smog regulations together he said that he "was suprised at how little of a response he has gotten from the diesel owners"

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08 Chevy LMM 6" lift 20" monsters w/35's, other than that all stock.

69 Chevelle, BB 427, Ported and polished heads, Custom cam, 10.5/1 compression, Forged TRW pistons, 1.7 Roller rockers, Holley 750 double pumper, Stage 2 TH 400, 12 bolt rear end

[TheSh111t]

I'll help where I can. There is a limit to what I can and can not do simply because I am a licensed California smog tech. I believe that smog regulations are good to some extent, but there needs to be a limit. Technology quite simply has not cought up with the regulations yet. Trucks went from 20+ miles per gallon to around 12 in some cases, simply due to the fact that the government decided to make diesel run "Cleaner". The same thing happened in the 70's. Horepower took a dive, fuel milage in many cases took a dive, reliability took a dive, all because the government put regulations on car makers that they were incapable of meeting (Without seroius side effects). In the 90's power started comming back, milage became good again and emmisions are low, but it took 20 years for it to happen. I agree that diesels could use a little cleaning up, but at what cost? In my opinion the government should make these requirements on auto makers, but give them much more time to meet them. In return the automakers would have to post factual proof that the vehicals are cleaner, but should also be able to explain there shortcomming involved in making the vehicals meet the new emisions. To be honest with you, cars/trucks are much more reliable, fuel efficent and last longer then they ever had, and government regulations play a big part in that, but there is a serious learning curve and to be honest with you I believe that diesel makers are under the curve at the moment. I have no doubt that they will learn through trial and error, untill diesles are every bit as good as they once were (Not dogging you new diesel owners) but there needs to be more research done before they release these new engines to the public and then turn around and have unreliable problem prone trucks on the road along with there angry owners. Let me know how I can help and I'm here for you. Sorry about the rant, I just have a lot of things going through my head right now. Good luck.

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1981 Chevy Short bed - Cummins swap Hoping for ~450 RWHP
1995 12v, NV4500, s362/s475 compounds, PDI manifold, #5 fuel plate, 181 Delivery valves,
5" turbo back, Mack plug, 60# springs, 4000 GSK, Timing @ 16*, 5x12 injectors.

[Chevy-Eater]

Originally Posted by TheSh111t

I'll help where I can. There is a limit to what I can and can not do simply because I am a licensed California smog tech. I believe that smog regulations are good to some extent, but there needs to be a limit. Technology quite simply has not cought up with the regulations yet. Trucks went from 20+ miles per gallon to around 12 in some cases, simply due to the fact that the government decided to make diesel run "Cleaner". The same thing happened in the 70's. Horepower took a dive, fuel milage in many cases took a dive, reliability took a dive, all because the government put regulations on car makers that they were incapable of meeting (Without seroius side effects). In the 90's power started comming back, milage became good again and emmisions are low, but it took 20 years for it to happen. I agree that diesels could use a little cleaning up, but at what cost? In my opinion the government should make these requirements on auto makers, but give them much more time to meet them. In return the automakers would have to post factual proof that the vehicals are cleaner, but should also be able to explain there shortcomming involved in making the vehicals meet the new emisions. To be honest with you, cars/trucks are much more reliable, fuel efficent and last longer then they ever had, and government regulations play a big part in that, but there is a serious learning curve and to be honest with you I believe that diesel makers are under the curve at the moment. I have no doubt that they will learn through trial and error, untill diesles are every bit as good as they once were (Not dogging you new diesel owners) but there needs to be more research done before they release these new engines to the public and then turn around and have unreliable problem prone trucks on the road along with there angry owners. Let me know how I can help and I'm here for you. Sorry about the rant, I just have a lot of things going through my head right now. Good luck.

Is it against the rules to have your cooling fan pointing in the direction of our exhaust pipe?

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94 regular cab 4x4, no plate, 90hp sticks, 191's, 2095 rack plug, 20* timing , Modded AFC, 5000gsk, Goerend Trans, Lockup switch, WH1C/HT60 Twins 34mm internal gate

[TheSh111t]

Originally Posted by Chevy-Eater

Is it against the rules to have your cooling fan pointing in the direction of our exhaust pipe?

Not sure exactly what you mean by this or why you would would want to redirect you fan, but NO, smog laws don't say anything about your fan, its location or orientation. Technically uoi can do anyhting you want with your fan. Just for my own knowledge, what are you refering to. Inquiring minds want to know

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1981 Chevy Short bed - Cummins swap Hoping for ~450 RWHP
1995 12v, NV4500, s362/s475 compounds, PDI manifold, #5 fuel plate, 181 Delivery valves,
5" turbo back, Mack plug, 60# springs, 4000 GSK, Timing @ 16*, 5x12 injectors.

[Chevy-Eater]

My smog guy runs a fat a$$ fan in front of the vehicle when he does the smog check. I dont know if you have one but I was thinking about pointing it towards the exhaust to disperse the smoke more quickly.

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94 regular cab 4x4, no plate, 90hp sticks, 191's, 2095 rack plug, 20* timing , Modded AFC, 5000gsk, Goerend Trans, Lockup switch, WH1C/HT60 Twins 34mm internal gate

[Grumpy John 4X4]

From what I understand its 1998 and up, but as soon as the real estate market picks up, Im out of this state 50 years is enough!

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1994 12 valve 4X4 2500 Loaded Carli Suspension featureing 3" Kings Full billet Suncoast trans converter & flex plate HX 40 370 injectors -Snow Performance Meth h20 injection- gov springs- ATS manifold- AFE sock 315-75-16 Pro-Comp Extremes Wilco

[Cummins6speed]

Originally Posted by TheSh111t

I'll help where I can. There is a limit to what I can and can not do simply because I am a licensed California smog tech. I believe that smog regulations are good to some extent, but there needs to be a limit. Technology quite simply has not cought up with the regulations yet. Trucks went from 20+ miles per gallon to around 12 in some cases, simply due to the fact that the government decided to make diesel run "Cleaner". The same thing happened in the 70's. Horepower took a dive, fuel milage in many cases took a dive, reliability took a dive, all because the government put regulations on car makers that they were incapable of meeting (Without seroius side effects). In the 90's power started comming back, milage became good again and emmisions are low, but it took 20 years for it to happen. I agree that diesels could use a little cleaning up, but at what cost? In my opinion the government should make these requirements on auto makers, but give them much more time to meet them. In return the automakers would have to post factual proof that the vehicals are cleaner, but should also be able to explain there shortcomming involved in making the vehicals meet the new emisions. To be honest with you, cars/trucks are much more reliable, fuel efficent and last longer then they ever had, and government regulations play a big part in that, but there is a serious learning curve and to be honest with you I believe that diesel makers are under the curve at the moment. I have no doubt that they will learn through trial and error, untill diesles are every bit as good as they once were (Not dogging you new diesel owners) but there needs to be more research done before they release these new engines to the public and then turn around and have unreliable problem prone trucks on the road along with there angry owners. Let me know how I can help and I'm here for you. Sorry about the rant, I just have a lot of things going through my head right now. Good luck.

What some of us need is a licensed smog tech that will accidentally turn his head the other way when doing the smoke test *cough cough* if you catch my drift

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My truck: 06 5.9 G56 4x4 Quad Cab Short Bed Patriot Blue. Smarty TNT, Valair 3600DD, DiPricol's, Home made intake w/ amsoil filter, Straight Piped w/ 7" tip, silencer ring MIA, glove box sticker MIA 2/28/09-470hp/980tq

IBEW 551-PACIFIC COAST DIESEL

[dezl]

Originally Posted by TheSh111t

Not sure exactly what you mean by this or why you would would want to redirect you fan, but NO, smog laws don't say anything about your fan, its location or orientation. Technically uoi can do anyhting you want with your fan. Just for my own knowledge, what are you refering to. Inquiring minds want to know

In the draft about the smog regulations it states that the car/truck must be in an area with no wind because it may screw up the test. I think that is were the fan is coming into play, if a snap test needs to be performed but there is a huge fan behind the truck the test will be false.

Originally Posted by Cummins6speed

What some of us need is a licensed smog tech that will accidentally turn his head the other way when doing the smoke test *cough cough* if you catch my drift

Agreed....and hes in sac!

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08 Chevy LMM 6" lift 20" monsters w/35's, other than that all stock.

69 Chevelle, BB 427, Ported and polished heads, Custom cam, 10.5/1 compression, Forged TRW pistons, 1.7 Roller rockers, Holley 750 double pumper, Stage 2 TH 400, 12 bolt rear end

[TheSh111t]

Originally Posted by dezl

In the draft about the smog regulations it states that the car/truck must be in an area with no wind because it may screw up the test. I think that is were the fan is coming into play, if a snap test needs to be performed but there is a huge fan behind the truck the test will be false.



Agreed....and hes in sac!

I see what your gettin gat now. Ok, the law requires that we put a regulation fan (There pretty large by the way) in front of the car any time the outside temp is at or above 72 deg. This fan can be used on cooler days if the operator chooses, but must be used when it's 72 or hotter. This fan can NOT be placed behind the vehicle or used for anything throughout the shop other then keeping the car being tested cool (even if a car does not "Overheat" a high temp can cause the NOx emmisions to go up). But this applies to gasoline vehicles often using a dynomometer. Now as far as diesels go, there is no actual "Smog" test per say. There is no emmisions test I should say, therefor no tailpipe test or dyno run. All we will be looking for is that any and all factory smog equipment is installed (EGR, Cat, DPF etc.) Then we'll connect he trucks OBDII DLC (Data link connector) into the smog machine to check for any emission related codes. (Many of these programmers you guys install can be detected and will cause a failed test) then we will do a visual smoke test. We check that there is no smoke visible coming from the PVC system or tail pipe at idle, then we do the throttle snaps. The smoke created by the trucks exhaust system durring the throttle snap must not linger for longer then 3 seconds with NO FAN to assist. Sorry about the bad news, but it is comming and there is little we can do about it. Oh and we will be testing 97 and newer vehicles not 98 and newer. This is because 1997 is when the government required diesels to go to OBDII.

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1981 Chevy Short bed - Cummins swap Hoping for ~450 RWHP
1995 12v, NV4500, s362/s475 compounds, PDI manifold, #5 fuel plate, 181 Delivery valves,
5" turbo back, Mack plug, 60# springs, 4000 GSK, Timing @ 16*, 5x12 injectors.

[dezl]

Originally Posted by TheSh111t

I see what your gettin gat now. Ok, the law requires that we put a regulation fan (There pretty large by the way) in front of the car any time the outside temp is at or above 72 deg. This fan can be used on cooler days if the operator chooses, but must be used when it's 72 or hotter. This fan can NOT be placed behind the vehicle or used for anything throughout the shop other then keeping the car being tested cool (even if a car does not "Overheat" a high temp can cause the NOx emmisions to go up). But this applies to gasoline vehicles often using a dynomometer. Now as far as diesels go, there is no actual "Smog" test per say. There is no emmisions test I should say, therefor no tailpipe test or dyno run. All we will be looking for is that any and all factory smog equipment is installed (EGR, Cat, DPF etc.) Then we'll connect he trucks OBDII DLC (Data link connector) into the smog machine to check for any emission related codes. (Many of these programmers you guys install can be detected and will cause a failed test) then we will do a visual smoke test. We check that there is no smoke visible coming from the PVC system or tail pipe at idle, then we do the throttle snaps. The smoke created by the trucks exhaust system durring the throttle snap must not linger for longer then 3 seconds with NO FAN to assist. Sorry about the bad news, but it is comming and there is little we can do about it. Oh and we will be testing 97 and newer vehicles not 98 and newer. This is because 1997 is when the government required diesels to go to OBDII.

Alright so help me understand the Gov's thinking here, NOX is the gas that actually does all the polluting correct? From what I understand the black smoke our diesels puke up is heavy and actually falls back to the ground and doesnt do nearly as much harm as most people think, its the site of it that intimidates most and makes them think that diesel trucks are actually polluting more than they really are.

Yes that kind of a question/statement.

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08 Chevy LMM 6" lift 20" monsters w/35's, other than that all stock.

69 Chevelle, BB 427, Ported and polished heads, Custom cam, 10.5/1 compression, Forged TRW pistons, 1.7 Roller rockers, Holley 750 double pumper, Stage 2 TH 400, 12 bolt rear end