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Water methanol injection

I want to know all there is to know about water/meth injection for a 97 12v. Who makes the best and can I make a set up myself?

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buy a kit from snowperformance. I built my own kit, but I wish I bought one.... either run the cheapest windshield washer fluid w/ the lowest temp rating (the lower the freezing point, the more methanol that it contains, and the cheaper the bottle, the less synthetic crap that it has) or just buy "boost juice" from snowperformance. Fill out your signature too, so we can help ya more with your truck
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I run the snow on my 98 12v. Very nice set up. The supplied bottle is to small so like alot of other guys I made my windshield wiper bottle my new bottle.

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water/meth Inj. does 2 big things, cooling your high egts caused by power adders and helps burn higher precentage of fuel since it also injects the methanol. I run a Devils Own Diesel injection system and I mix my own water/meth depending on how or where I am driving. You can run a high or low meth blend, but would not recomend anything lower than 80/20. Most pumps can take 100% meth but that gets really expensive and I dont think that is reccomened while racing. HP gains some say are around 50-70hp but I would not recomend this as a power upgrade only. These really should be used to protect your stock and or aftermarket turbos while towing or racing. These kits also add a few pounds of boost.

Most kits inject the water/meth through the intake horn, usally a dual nozzle kit with a 10gph and a 5gph nozzles. You can choose between a boost operated switch or a switch that is controled by your MAP sensor. The MAP controler IMO is the way to go. These kit are easy to install and can start shaving times off your ET's and depending on how you drive maybe a few gallons of fuel.

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^------the correct way....and then there is my ghetto way :
I took a nozzle off of a garden pump-style weed sprayer. I JB welded that and the adapter I made into a 3" piece of intercooler piping. I used a fuel pump out of a subaru (ok, now everyone can laugh ) and I am using a nitrous solinoid. I have an oil press. sending unit so I can monitor my pressure, and I am using the weed sprayer tank w/ a bung in the bottom for my tank ..... it kinda works. I got the pump hooked to a switch and the solinoid to a button. Since the nozzle is on the intercooler piping and not the intake manifold, I don't have to worry about hydro-locking my engine because in order for it to get to the engine, I have to be in boost.... Yay for the $50 system!!
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buy a kit from snowperformance. I built my own kit, but I wish I bought one.... either run the cheapest windshield washer fluid w/ the lowest temp rating (the lower the freezing point, the more methanol that it contains, and the cheaper the bottle, the less synthetic crap that it has) or just buy "boost juice" from snowperformance. Fill out your signature too, so we can help ya more with your truck
Your only partically right. -20 degrees is the lowest that ANY company recommends running (which is a 70% Water/30% Meth mixture) ... This is because the -20 blend, has ONLY water & methanol in it. Anything lower than a -20 blend, could contain ethier
1.) Gelatin 2.)Antifreeze

Etheir of those two things you DO NOT want to inject into your motor.

I run a Snow Stage 3 w/ a 7 gallon tank mounted in the bed. I run strickly Peak -20 blue washer fluid. I do add "HEET" in the yellow bottles to my mixture, which is recommended by Snow. 2-3 bottles of "HEET" added to one gallon of -20 blue washer fluid, will make the mixture a 50/50 blend. "HEET" (in the yellow bottle only) contains 100% methonal, so is 100% safe ... as long as you stay with-in a safe ratio

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Your only partically right. -20 degrees is the lowest that ANY company recommends running (which is a 70% Water/30% Meth mixture) ... This is because the -20 blend, has ONLY water & methanol in it. Anything lower than a -20 blend, could contain ethier
1.) Gelatin 2.)Antifreeze

Etheir of those two things you DO NOT want to inject into your motor.

I run a Snow Stage 3 w/ a 7 gallon tank mounted in the bed. I run strickly Peak -20 blue washer fluid. I do add "HEET" in the yellow bottles to my mixture, which is recommended by Snow. 2-3 bottles of "HEET" added to one gallon of -20 blue washer fluid, will make the mixture a 50/50 blend. "HEET" (in the yellow bottle only) contains 100% methonal, so is 100% safe ... as long as you stay with-in a safe ratio
oh yea, I forgot about that, my bad :thumbsup
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what if you ran straight "HEET"?
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Doing that might run your EGTs to high and cause your engine to run to lean.

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hmmm...could you compesate by more boost? Just asking if there is power to be had (over a conventional 50/50 meth/water)
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IDK. Adding more boost may or may not work. Remember boost is compressed air and the compresion of air casues heat.

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yea, but more boost cools down the egt's on a diesel....
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