Biodiesel Blues

TEX · 11-06-2008, 05:37 PM

Anyone want a BioPro 150 and a ton of biodiesel stuff? lol no not really, well maybe..........

Everyone knows the trouble i had at first with the 150 and I dont know it its just me or what but it never gets better for me. Out of a 55 gal barrel of methanol i have gotten 2 maybe 3 batches (35-40 gal batches). The current batch is from the same source as always, it has been fine on water in the past. Everything looked fine until it came time for the glycerin to settle out well it never did just a big glump of white stuff on the bottom.

It just seems to always be something that makes me wast methanol or KOH or oil or something. I really feel like this

right now with the whole thing.

Maybe i should jsut put it all on craigslist and see what happens.

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Ratski · 11-06-2008, 05:55 PM

please don't give up on your Bio-pro its worth the money given the time and fuel prices it will pay for its self . I recommend you talk to Gradon Blair at Utah Biodiesel Supply - Biodiesel Homebrewing Supplies, Equipment, Processors and Information Utah Biodiesel Supply - Biodiesel Homebrewing Supplies, Equipment, Processors and Information

Utah Biodiesel Supply - Biodiesel Parts, Books, Supplies, Decals & More
Free Biodiesel Tutorial Videos - Learn to make Biodiesel through videos!
Biodiesel & SVO Bumper Stickers - Brag to the world about Biodiesel
The Rabid

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TEX · 11-06-2008, 05:59 PM

i have talked withhim twice this week. that where i bought everything except the 150.

"please don't give up on your Bio-pro its worth the money given the time"

can you tell my wife that bc she isnt very happy right now.

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2006 Mega 3500 DRW 4X4 6spd SLT Optix EGT,Boost,Trans-4510 W/Cool hose kit
2008 Keystone Copper Canyon 298FWBHS
Wake Up America

FutureSmoker · 11-06-2008, 06:04 PM

[quote=can you tell my wife that bc she isnt very happy right now.[/quote]

buy her something nice? and dont give up. youve come this far why not get all the fine tuning down and get it running correctly.. good luck in what ever you choose to do.

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DUO_CORE · 11-06-2008, 09:31 PM

Tex,

Did you learn how to titrate your oil?
I'd start there. It helped us tremendously. We titrate every batch now.

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TEX · 11-06-2008, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DUO_CORE

Tex,

Did you learn how to titrate your oil?
I'd start there. It helped us tremendously. We titrate every batch now.

you know i almost did a titration on this batch. looks i will have to start doing that. yet another thing to spend money on. the wife will love that.

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2006 Mega 3500 DRW 4X4 6spd SLT Optix EGT,Boost,Trans-4510 W/Cool hose kit
2008 Keystone Copper Canyon 298FWBHS
Wake Up America

jfranklin · 11-06-2008, 09:38 PM

my friend is doing the bio-diesel and has been running 100% bio for about 2 months the titration is very important. don't skip this step. i think once you do that things will get better for you

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TEX · 11-06-2008, 09:41 PM

i under stand the titration stuff......one of the reasons i got a biopro is bc they preach that you dont need to do a titration........it will handle up a 16 titration or somethin like that the actual # might be higher or lower. POINT is that was one (a small one) thing that was a plus for the biopro when i was going threw the process of pickin which mechine/system to buy.

and I know getting it all down and running smoothly takes time and error. but all my wife has seen is about 3 tanks of biodiesel, a TON of wasted oil and materials oh ya and the fact that we have spent thousands of dollars. (try to see it in her eyes) a lot of money in and not much out.

im with yall and see it different but..............she who has the checkbook has the power...........

__________________
2006 Mega 3500 DRW 4X4 6spd SLT Optix EGT,Boost,Trans-4510 W/Cool hose kit
2008 Keystone Copper Canyon 298FWBHS
Wake Up America

Last edited by TEX : 11-06-2008 at 09:44 PM.

rockinv · 11-06-2008, 09:45 PM

Please keep me updated on your progress. I have been wanting to invest in a BioPro for the last few months and I am very curious to hear all about the good and bad things you are finding with it. I purchased the Diesel Secret product, but am too afraid to use it so I am back to the BioPro idea.

DUO_CORE · 11-06-2008, 09:56 PM

We were in the same boat Tex. Once we started titrating we have had perfect batches. We're making so much bio-diesel I just ordered 220 gallons of methanol (4 55 gallon drums). We're heating the house with the stuff now. So far the oil heater likes it too! If needed, PM me and I'll give you my # and walk you through titration.

Titrating is CHEAPER than GO-NO GO kits! You can make your own go no go kits out of your titrating solution. I do go no go when I'm collecting from a new source and then titrate after de-watering for 12 hours minimum regardless of what the oil looks like.

Hang in there.

__________________
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Duramax LBZ Allison 6 SPD
MBRP 5" TB EFI Live

Last edited by DUO_CORE : 11-06-2008 at 10:01 PM.

TEX · 11-06-2008, 09:56 PM

well ill try and list the bad bc that what really matters on such a $$$ item:

----the pop up things that let u know when you have put in enough methanol DO NOT WORK. they replaced them once and the new ones dont work either. FIX-i just measure out how much methanol i need to put in each time(ones 4.* gal and the other 3.* gal) total crap bc it is so much easier to just add methanol until the thing pops up. BUT IT DOSENT POP UP and you will put to much methanol bc you cant pump the hand crank and look into the tank at the same time.

i forgot---my pop up floats were not labled and were installed backwards from what the owners book shows. OH heck thats another thing. for $6,000 you get a black and white owners manual and the directions offten refer you to look at the pics for ex or whatever. one says that the oil should look like pic #* how in the heck can you ever tell wht it looks like its in black and white. Many times the must have cut and pasted from the biopro 190 manual bc you reading along and its says your biopro 150 then it will say your 190. again small things to some but for $6K come on-some color copies to much to ask?

---my 150 was scratched up a bit on the front(bc of shipping im sure) whatever it just looks bad i just want the thing to work

---the mist sprayer thing for water wash leaked----i just tightened it up with a wrench

---the rubber o-rings used on the bolts on top of the 150 i guess are not compatiable with veggie oil or something bc once they get oil on them they turn into mush and if you try and wipe off your 150 it gets nasty black stuff everywhere, and it dosent wash off your hands very easy either(during the drying process you have to leave the lid off, the heat is on and the stir thing is going so oil splashes out of the top and get on pretty much everything(top, black housing of all the elec stuff,wall if its next to one, and floor)

cant think of anything else right now

some of these things may seem small to some ppl but remember i paid $6,000 SIX THOUSAND dollars for it.

premium price = premium product to me

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2006 Mega 3500 DRW 4X4 6spd SLT Optix EGT,Boost,Trans-4510 W/Cool hose kit
2008 Keystone Copper Canyon 298FWBHS
Wake Up America

Last edited by TEX : 11-06-2008 at 10:01 PM. Reason: add to

rockinv · 11-06-2008, 10:02 PM

Wow that really sound bad! I hope DUO CORE can help you get the bugs worked out.

The premise sounds good and I have a ton of WVO to work with.

I have horrible luck with most projects so if you are having alot of trouble, I will probably not do much better.

11-06-2008, 05:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
TEX Diesel Head Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: TAYLOR TX Posts: 3,916 Thanks: 95 Thanked 38 Times in 34 Posts TEX's Truck Pics	Biodiesel Blues Anyone want a BioPro 150 and a ton of biodiesel stuff? lol no not really, well maybe.......... Everyone knows the trouble i had at first with the 150 and I dont know it its just me or what but it never gets better for me. Out of a 55 gal barrel of methanol i have gotten 2 maybe 3 batches (35-40 gal batches). The current batch is from the same source as always, it has been fine on water in the past. Everything looked fine until it came time for the glycerin to settle out well it never did just a big glump of white stuff on the bottom. It just seems to always be something that makes me wast methanol or KOH or oil or something. I really feel like this right now with the whole thing. Maybe i should jsut put it all on craigslist and see what happens. __________________ 2006 Mega 3500 DRW 4X4 6spd SLT Optix EGT,Boost,Trans-4510 W/Cool hose kit 2008 Keystone Copper Canyon 298FWBHS Wake Up America

11-06-2008, 05:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
Ratski Cummins Fan Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 60 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Ratski's Truck Pics	bio-diesel blues please don't give up on your Bio-pro its worth the money given the time and fuel prices it will pay for its self . I recommend you talk to Gradon Blair at Utah Biodiesel Supply - Biodiesel Homebrewing Supplies, Equipment, Processors and Information Utah Biodiesel Supply - Biodiesel Homebrewing Supplies, Equipment, Processors and Information Utah Biodiesel Supply - Biodiesel Parts, Books, Supplies, Decals & More Free Biodiesel Tutorial Videos - Learn to make Biodiesel through videos! Biodiesel & SVO Bumper Stickers - Brag to the world about Biodiesel The Rabid __________________ Ratski 96 Ram Dodge 2500 CTD, 3 years on Bio-diesel:thumbsup

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11-06-2008, 05:59 PM	#3 (permalink)
TEX Diesel Head Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: TAYLOR TX Posts: 3,916 Thanks: 95 Thanked 38 Times in 34 Posts TEX's Truck Pics	i have talked withhim twice this week. that where i bought everything except the 150. "please don't give up on your Bio-pro its worth the money given the time" can you tell my wife that bc she isnt very happy right now. __________________ 2006 Mega 3500 DRW 4X4 6spd SLT Optix EGT,Boost,Trans-4510 W/Cool hose kit 2008 Keystone Copper Canyon 298FWBHS Wake Up America

11-06-2008, 06:04 PM	#4 (permalink)
FutureSmoker Diesel Freak Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Cortland, IL (a rock throw from Dekalb) Posts: 944 Thanks: 47 Thanked 63 Times in 39 Posts FutureSmoker's Truck Pics	[quote=can you tell my wife that bc she isnt very happy right now.[/quote] buy her something nice? and dont give up. youve come this far why not get all the fine tuning down and get it running correctly.. good luck in what ever you choose to do. __________________ -Andy- 2003 Chevy Cavalier.

11-06-2008, 09:31 PM	#5 (permalink)
DUO_CORE Cummins Fan Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Mickleton, NJ Posts: 63 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 3 Posts DUO_CORE's Truck Pics	Tex, Did you learn how to titrate your oil? I'd start there. It helped us tremendously. We titrate every batch now. __________________ 06 Silverado CC 4x4 LT3 3500 Duramax LBZ Allison 6 SPD MBRP 5" TB EFI Live

11-06-2008, 09:38 PM	#7 (permalink)
jfranklin smarty this smarty that Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: sebring, FL Posts: 722 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts jfranklin's Truck Pics	my friend is doing the bio-diesel and has been running 100% bio for about 2 months the titration is very important. don't skip this step. i think once you do that things will get better for you __________________ 04.5 quadcab 4x4 - mostly stock

11-06-2008, 09:41 PM	#8 (permalink)
TEX Diesel Head Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: TAYLOR TX Posts: 3,916 Thanks: 95 Thanked 38 Times in 34 Posts TEX's Truck Pics	i under stand the titration stuff......one of the reasons i got a biopro is bc they preach that you dont need to do a titration........it will handle up a 16 titration or somethin like that the actual # might be higher or lower. POINT is that was one (a small one) thing that was a plus for the biopro when i was going threw the process of pickin which mechine/system to buy. and I know getting it all down and running smoothly takes time and error. but all my wife has seen is about 3 tanks of biodiesel, a TON of wasted oil and materials oh ya and the fact that we have spent thousands of dollars. (try to see it in her eyes) a lot of money in and not much out. im with yall and see it different but..............she who has the checkbook has the power........... __________________ 2006 Mega 3500 DRW 4X4 6spd SLT Optix EGT,Boost,Trans-4510 W/Cool hose kit 2008 Keystone Copper Canyon 298FWBHS Wake Up America Last edited by TEX : 11-06-2008 at 09:44 PM.

11-06-2008, 09:45 PM	#9 (permalink)
rockinv Newbie Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts rockinv's Truck Pics	Please keep me updated on your progress. I have been wanting to invest in a BioPro for the last few months and I am very curious to hear all about the good and bad things you are finding with it. I purchased the Diesel Secret product, but am too afraid to use it so I am back to the BioPro idea.

11-06-2008, 09:56 PM	#10 (permalink)
DUO_CORE Cummins Fan Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Mickleton, NJ Posts: 63 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 3 Posts DUO_CORE's Truck Pics	We were in the same boat Tex. Once we started titrating we have had perfect batches. We're making so much bio-diesel I just ordered 220 gallons of methanol (4 55 gallon drums). We're heating the house with the stuff now. So far the oil heater likes it too! If needed, PM me and I'll give you my # and walk you through titration. Titrating is CHEAPER than GO-NO GO kits! You can make your own go no go kits out of your titrating solution. I do go no go when I'm collecting from a new source and then titrate after de-watering for 12 hours minimum regardless of what the oil looks like. Hang in there. __________________ 06 Silverado CC 4x4 LT3 3500 Duramax LBZ Allison 6 SPD MBRP 5" TB EFI Live Last edited by DUO_CORE : 11-06-2008 at 10:01 PM.

11-06-2008, 09:56 PM	#11 (permalink)
TEX Diesel Head Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: TAYLOR TX Posts: 3,916 Thanks: 95 Thanked 38 Times in 34 Posts TEX's Truck Pics	well ill try and list the bad bc that what really matters on such a $$$ item: ----the pop up things that let u know when you have put in enough methanol DO NOT WORK. they replaced them once and the new ones dont work either. FIX-i just measure out how much methanol i need to put in each time(ones 4.* gal and the other 3.* gal) total crap bc it is so much easier to just add methanol until the thing pops up. BUT IT DOSENT POP UP and you will put to much methanol bc you cant pump the hand crank and look into the tank at the same time. i forgot---my pop up floats were not labled and were installed backwards from what the owners book shows. OH heck thats another thing. for $6,000 you get a black and white owners manual and the directions offten refer you to look at the pics for ex or whatever. one says that the oil should look like pic #* how in the heck can you ever tell wht it looks like its in black and white. Many times the must have cut and pasted from the biopro 190 manual bc you reading along and its says your biopro 150 then it will say your 190. again small things to some but for $6K come on-some color copies to much to ask? ---my 150 was scratched up a bit on the front(bc of shipping im sure) whatever it just looks bad i just want the thing to work ---the mist sprayer thing for water wash leaked----i just tightened it up with a wrench ---the rubber o-rings used on the bolts on top of the 150 i guess are not compatiable with veggie oil or something bc once they get oil on them they turn into mush and if you try and wipe off your 150 it gets nasty black stuff everywhere, and it dosent wash off your hands very easy either(during the drying process you have to leave the lid off, the heat is on and the stir thing is going so oil splashes out of the top and get on pretty much everything(top, black housing of all the elec stuff,wall if its next to one, and floor) cant think of anything else right now some of these things may seem small to some ppl but remember i paid $6,000 SIX THOUSAND dollars for it. premium price = premium product to me __________________ 2006 Mega 3500 DRW 4X4 6spd SLT Optix EGT,Boost,Trans-4510 W/Cool hose kit 2008 Keystone Copper Canyon 298FWBHS Wake Up America Last edited by TEX : 11-06-2008 at 10:01 PM. Reason: add to

11-06-2008, 10:02 PM	#12 (permalink)
rockinv Newbie Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts rockinv's Truck Pics	Wow that really sound bad! I hope DUO CORE can help you get the bugs worked out. The premise sounds good and I have a ton of WVO to work with. I have horrible luck with most projects so if you are having alot of trouble, I will probably not do much better.