Used engine oil.

[lvin4jc]

Originally Posted by Mopar1973Man

Well...

I'm not a fan of WEO at all... It just to risky

I guess I need help understanding this. In my proposed setup, the oil will be passed through a series of filters that ends with a 1 micron filter as well as a magnetic filter. Given that information, the oil should be about as pure as the 2-stroke oil that you and others swear by, correct? Am I missing something? Please let me know because I am planning on doing this. (Also, I would not be using WVO, it seems to me that you need to pick one or the other and stick with it)

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[hipsi]

Originally Posted by lvin4jc

I guess I need help understanding this. In my proposed setup, the oil will be passed through a series of filters that ends with a 1 micron filter as well as a magnetic filter. Given that information, the oil should be about as pure as the 2-stroke oil that you and others swear by, correct? Am I missing something? Please let me know because I am planning on doing this. (Also, I would not be using WVO, it seems to me that you need to pick one or the other and stick with it)

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I would try it, 1 micron is like 6 smaller than the factory filter allows to pass.

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[Mopar1973Man]

Originally Posted by lvin4jc

I guess I need help understanding this. In my proposed setup, the oil will be passed through a series of filters that ends with a 1 micron filter as well as a magnetic filter. Given that information, the oil should be about as pure as the 2-stroke oil that you and others swear by, correct? Am I missing something? Please let me know because I am planning on doing this. (Also, I would not be using WVO, it seems to me that you need to pick one or the other and stick with it)

Something that can't be filter out or caught by a magnet...

ASH CONTENT and CARBON CONTENT... Both of these are extremely high highier than what Cummins specifies for fuel...

2 cycle oil is ASHLESS and CARBONLESS...

CARBON RESIDUE
Measures residue in fuel - can influence combustion. The tendency of a diesel fuel to form carbon deposits in an engine can be estimated by various tests to determine the carbon residue after 90% of the fuel has been evaporated

ASH CONTENT
Measures inorganic residues - The small amount of non-combustable metallic material found in almost all petroleum products is commonly called ash. Ash content should not exceed 0.02 mass percent.

remember there is more than steel in a engine... Brass, cooper, aluminum, etc...

Not to mention that WEO did NOT improve the fuel lubricity at all...


But 2 cycle make a huge gain... Look at my Signature... Catch me if you can...

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[lvin4jc]

Originally Posted by Mopar1973Man

Something that can't be filter out or caught by a magnet...

ASH CONTENT and CARBON CONTENT... Both of these are extremely high highier than what Cummins specifies for fuel...

2 cycle oil is ASHLESS and CARBONLESS...

CARBON RESIDUE
Measures residue in fuel - can influence combustion. The tendency of a diesel fuel to form carbon deposits in an engine can be estimated by various tests to determine the carbon residue after 90% of the fuel has been evaporated

ASH CONTENT
Measures inorganic residues - The small amount of non-combustable metallic material found in almost all petroleum products is commonly called ash. Ash content should not exceed 0.02 mass percent.

remember there is more than steel in a engine... Brass, cooper, aluminum, etc...

Ok, i'm a little confused. Lawn Boy 2-cycle oil is the only one that I know of that is ashless. I know this because I used to have 3 LawnBoy mowers and I ran regular Wal-Mart oil for a while and the mufflers plugged up, so I had to buy the more expensive Ashless (right on the label) stuff and they worked great.

Second, if Ash is a "metallic material" wouldn't my magnet catch it?

But 2 cycle make a huge gain... Look at my Signature... Catch me if you can...

It would appear that plvaulter already has...

Originally Posted by plvaulter06

Ive ran mixes from 50/50 up to probably 80 percent oil. Averaged close to 25 mpg.

MoparMan, I want to make sure you and everyone watching this thread so closely understands that my goal in this discussion is not to turn it into an argument and win, but to see if this really is a valid solution to a growing problem. :thumbsup

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[Ops]

Here's my quick setup, 5 gallon container with a pipe connected to the bottom, routed to a Goldenrod waterblock (7 micron) filter. I'll run the WMO once I replace the 10 micron truck fuel filter with a 2 micron type.

Cummins, at one time, had a spec for running WMO in diesel fuel. Also, the HD trucks cycle some of the engine oil into the tank and add fresh oil to the crankcase, so as not to change the engine oil but burn it thru the engine.

Anyone care to comment?

Ops

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[Mopar1973Man]

Originally Posted by Ops

Cummins, at one time, had a spec for running WMO in diesel fuel. Also, the HD trucks cycle some of the engine oil into the tank and add fresh oil to the crankcase, so as not to change the engine oil but burn it thru the engine.

Anyone care to comment?

Ops

This is true...
https://quickserve.cummins.com/info/.../centinel.html

But I don't think it large quanities of oil are being used like most people here are trying to use 50% and highier volume... I think Centinel uses less than 5% volume of WEO used in there system...

5% WEO = 1.75 Gallons at 35 gallons of fuel... If it was highier these engine would consume extremely large amounts of engine oil...

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[DIESELCONVERT]

hope that pipe is a stand pipe and you're not taking out right from the bottom of that drum...........if so...............yummy...............i can just imagine the stuff that possibly will settle out.

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[lvin4jc]

Originally Posted by Mopar1973Man

5% WEO = 1.75 Gallons at 35 gallons of fuel... If it was highier these engine would consume extremely large amounts of engine oil...

What?

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[Mopar1973Man]

Originally Posted by lvin4jc

What?

I was referring to the Centinel System on large Cummins engines... If Centinel use 5% WEO in fuel that would mean in 35 gallons of fuel you would consume 1.75 Gallons of engine oil. I would consider that a extremely high rate of WEO burn... It wouldn't be cost efficent. Basically in one tank of fuel in our truck we would consume the entire crankcase of oil..

Like a lot of people here are wanting to run a Cummins on high volumes (greater than 5%) of WEO which is not suggested.

Like myself I'm running 0.7% of 2 cycle oil in my fuel (128:1 Ratio).

20:1 Ratio = 5% Volume = 224 Ounces (1.75 Gallons)
128:1 Ratio = 0.7% Volume = 35 Ounces (Basically 1 quart of WEO to a tank of fuel... More realistic!)
200:1 Ratio = 0.5% Volume = 22.4 Ounces

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[Ops]

I have a 7 micron water block element in the filter on the oil outlet, and a drain cock to drain out the slime. I found a part # for a 2 micron fuel filter for the engine mounted final filter. Believe it or not, an oil filter is about 20 microns, and the standard fuel filter is 10 microns.

I'm gonna go forward with this, I do have a source of waste oil.

Ops

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[Ductaper]

Gentlemen-
I like this idea and would like to go forward with it if it's proven safe for the VP-44. I think there is one point being missed thus far-- yes, waste engine oil has soot and carbon in it. Agreed. But, think of how it got there: byproducts from burning fuel. There are only so many things going into the engine in quantity- air, fuel, and oil. These contaminants in the oil (excluding wear metals) can only come from two places- air or fuel. The fuel has already brought this junk into the oil so we've already exposed our engines to it anyway. So, unless we worry about filtering our air and oil to 1 micron also, I don't see the trouble with it (except carbon coking/buildup, any thoughts?)

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[Austin The DieselTech]

Originally Posted by Ductaper

Gentlemen-
I like this idea and would like to go forward with it if it's proven safe for the VP-44. I think there is one point being missed thus far-- yes, waste engine oil has soot and carbon in it. Agreed. But, think of how it got there: byproducts from burning fuel. There are only so many things going into the engine in quantity- air, fuel, and oil. These contaminants in the oil (excluding wear metals) can only come from two places- air or fuel. The fuel has already brought this junk into the oil so we've already exposed our engines to it anyway. So, unless we worry about filtering our air and oil to 1 micron also, I don't see the trouble with it (except carbon coking/buildup, any thoughts?)

The only thing I think we need to worry about is the wear elements in the oil but if a filter with a low micron rating is used then I don't think it would be a problem.

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