Used engine oil.

[Challenger]

some are heavily pushing something they are calling an alternative for diesel fuel wmo....i am not saying the moderators are... i am saying if it leads to injury and legal remedies it can lead back to this forum,the people who are pushing this as fact and any in a position of responsibility... i can't think of a single wmo commercial fueling pump anywhere, on the propane issue there are diagrams and pictures on that thread teaching others how to build a system that is completely dangerous with followers, any person not just me can realize that you could have a thread built by some one licenced to install propane with pictures and diagrams of a real automotive propane system step by step, i only have a problem with the two threads, the risks are real, in the case of serious accidents generally everything comes apart to determine contributing factors,and the legal process begins, i prefer to stay closer to the trunk of the legal tree others don't mind being way out on a limb, fair warning,good discussion,tip of the hat

[MikeyB]

Challenger, you never answered my question on bad bio or the improper use of WVO. WE all know you're a champion of bio and SVO and that's fine. But it appears you spent most of your time just on this thread. Unless you have some very hard evidence that WMO will kill you and your engine, and not some hearsay from a friend of a friend of a friend's BIL I'm willing to hear it.

Gee, why don't you go over to the tire section and beat up the guys running load range D tires?

MikeyB

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[shorthair]

Last time I checked this was still a mostly FREE country sooo I feel that I'm free to make my own choices & so are you. I'm willing to share the info that my experience has gained in areas that others may not have explored in return I get the "opinions & knowlege they have gathered I think thats a fair trade.

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[IsItJustMe]

Originally Posted by Challenger

some are heavily pushing something they are calling an alternative for diesel fuel wmo....i am not saying the moderators are... i am saying if it leads to injury and legal remedies it can lead back to this forum,the people who are pushing this as fact and any in a position of responsibility... i can't think of a single wmo commercial fueling pump anywhere, on the propane issue there are diagrams and pictures on that thread teaching others how to build a system that is completely dangerous with followers, any person not just me can realize that you could have a thread built by some one licenced to install propane with pictures and diagrams of a real automotive propane system step by step, i only have a problem with the two threads, the risks are real, in the case of serious accidents generally everything comes apart to determine contributing factors,and the legal process begins, i prefer to stay closer to the trunk of the legal tree others don't mind being way out on a limb, fair warning,good discussion,tip of the hat

Do you know how many forums lets this go on? So just about 80% of the Internet out there will have this concern being legal then. Posting to this doesn't that make you part of the problem then? I don't see you taking any legal action on this to stop it In stead of posting on how wrong it is why don't you take that time to help it out and improve it:thumbsup

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[patracy]

Originally Posted by MikeyB

Challenger, you never answered my question on bad bio or the improper use of WVO. WE all know you're a champion of bio and SVO and that's fine. But it appears you spent most of your time just on this thread. Unless you have some very hard evidence that WMO will kill you and your engine, and not some hearsay from a friend of a friend of a friend's BIL I'm willing to hear it.

Gee, why don't you go over to the tire section and beat up the guys running load range D tires?

MikeyB

Just for discussion sake. Here's some examples from bad biodiesel and WVO that I found searching the web...

GC Biofuels

This is the cam of a fuel pump. This vehicle was running on a cheap biodiesel and the owner probably thought he was getting a good deal. Upon testing the sample fuel it was found to be high in acid value, unrecovered methanol, high in Sulphur, an excess of total glycerine and other mineral contaminants. The acids and methanol have attacked and etched the metal and have resulted in excessive wearamd loss of lubricity. This “free metal” then mixed with the fuel and became an abrasive grinding paste and also destroyed the diesel injection nozzles and other fuel delivery components. This whole process took only 3 months to total failure.

WVO damage-
Bio Diesel Ruined My 5.9

TDI piston damaged by WVO


Now, searching for WMO or waste motor oil damage. I only came up with results of people running it. No damage pics or stated damage from it. (Yes I tried to search several key words on each Bio/WVO/WMO, but the results for WMO were very low.)

WVO and bio do have issues such as glycerin and acids. Or methanol and lie from processing.

WMO has issues too I'm sure. There's water/antifreeze and metals. Then there's the question of ash from its combustion and coking. But coking can happen with WVO as well.

Regardless, that's why this forum is here. It's "alternative" fuels. So don't expect it to be a 100% replacement. Or not contain it's own issues with running it.

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[dieseltracks]

Ok folks..........Now that the "legal ramifications" are out of the way, lets continue with our regularly scheduled program.
I believe the topic was about "Used Engine Oil"

Thank You

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[speed185187]

Found my truck's sweet spot today. I filled up with 30 gal's WMO and 5 gal's D2 and it smoked way to much. I'm going to dilute it back down to 25/10 tomorrow as soon as i burn through 5 gallons or so.

I also installed the heater lines going to the FASS unit today. Taped off with 1/2" tee's from the heater core lines and then straight back to the FASS with 5/8" hose.

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03 Jetta TDI 5 spd "Click here for TDICLUB Profile" 903 Miles on 15.03 Gallons.

[1000EE-Monarch]

> I filled up with 30 gal's WMO and 5 gal's D2

I'm glad to see someone is brave enough to run high concentrations of WMO in a VP44. I've ran a lot of it in 12V trucks, but never had the nerve to do more than a few gallons per tank in the 24v.

Heck, for all we know it might be good for it, if a little lubricity helps, why not more?

> and it smoked way to much

Did it smoke at idle? Did it run rough? Only when cold?

Are you concerned about viscosity until the heat kicks in?

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[patracy]

Originally Posted by speed185187

Found my truck's sweet spot today. I filled up with 30 gal's WMO and 5 gal's D2 and it smoked way to much. I'm going to dilute it back down to 25/10 tomorrow as soon as i burn through 5 gallons or so.

I also installed the heater lines going to the FASS unit today. Taped off with 1/2" tee's from the heater core lines and then straight back to the FASS with 5/8" hose.

Could I make a suggestion about your plumbing? Install ball valves in them to shut off the pump in the event you spring a leak. Here's what I made...

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[speed185187]

Originally Posted by 1000EE-Monarch

Did it smoke at idle? Did it run rough? Only when cold?

Are you concerned about viscosity until the heat kicks in?

It did smoke quite a bit at idle. It was enough to fill my backyard and start to fumigate my house. It was heavy white smoke, just like burning oil.

Patracy, I'm not going to worry about the installing ball valves, If i get a leak, then i have brake line hose clamps or vise grip's in the truck to block the line. Shouldn't have a problem with it though. The lines come down the pass frame rail and back to the transmission cross member. Then over to the drivers side. Everything is secured in place and away from moving/heat sources.

I was also considering installing a 12V heating line wrap. Just not to sure how well that would do with a 3/8" rubber line.

Either way, I'm still going to bring down the mixture to 25/10 with a bottle of PS. It's kinda embarrassing to sit at a light with a nice truck belching smoke.

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(BHAF, Boost, EGT, FP Gauges, Breather bottle delete, Fass 150/150, Fireball 150's, Phat Shaft 62, Some Billet Trans Parts by TRE,adrenaline, 4" exhaust, 2" Level, 315/75-16)
03 Jetta TDI 5 spd "Click here for TDICLUB Profile" 903 Miles on 15.03 Gallons.

[MikeyB]

You also can try cutting the mixture with gasoline to reduce the smoke level.

MikeyB

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[patracy]

Or Jet-A or Kerosene.

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