Used engine oil.

[plvaulter06]

well most motor oil is designed to resist thining out at high temps, to maintain its ability to lube a hot engine, so i don't know how much a whole heck of a lot more heat will do for me. I guess if i mixed it with more stuff it probably wouldn't retain that ability to stay thick when hot

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[Challenger]

Originally Posted by McLarenross

If you havent tried the WMO and dont have actual results then you shouldnt condemn it and the people who have used it.

Snapper, thanks for your input. Congrats on the WMO working for you. Thank you for actually trying it.

Challenger, how old are you?

Mopar1973man, until you try it and have first hand experiance with something you shouldnt dismiss it. Youve done great work with the 2 Cycle oil, but dont dismiss other options. Thats no better than 2 ricers sitting around comparing the specs of their hUndahs and arguing whose is faster but never actually racing.

Guys, I recently awoke from a 10 year coma,back then:it was known smoking caused lung cancer,we knew subprime mortgages were a lie,people knew better than to max out a dozen credit cards at once, nobody would ever put dirty fuel in an airplane engine back then or their truck and then say"prove it doesn't destroy it"it was common knowledge that it does. WOW so much has changed,everybody is so much smarter now,don't you think?

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[patracy]

Originally Posted by Challenger

Guys, I recently awoke from a 10 year comma,back then:it was known smoking caused lung cancer,we knew subprime mortgages were a lie,people knew better than to max out a dozen credit cards at once, nobody would ever put dirty fuel in an airplane engine back then or their truck and then say"prove it doesn't destroy it"it was common knowledge that it does. WOW so much has changed,everybody is so much smarter now,don't you think?

Strange....

Cummins stated more than 10 years ago you could burn a percentage of WEO in the fuel. I think that coma might have scrambled a few things in there.

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[MikeyB]

There are owners that have gone over 500k miles on the 12v using WMO with no issues. So what's the deal? Filter the oil correctly shouldn't be any worse than the crappy diesel we have. And god knows I have seen some really $hitty diesel (dirt, slug debris, dead critters). Bad enough to have the tankers pressure washed and steam cleaned before the next load.

MikeyB

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[Mopar1973Man]

Originally Posted by Challenger

Guys, I recently awoke from a 10 year comma,back then:it was known smoking caused lung cancer,we knew subprime mortgages were a lie,people knew better than to max out a dozen credit cards at once, nobody would ever put dirty fuel in an airplane engine back then or their truck and then say"prove it doesn't destroy it"it was common knowledge that it does. WOW so much has changed,everybody is so much smarter now,don't you think?

I got to agree with Challenger's point ther just a bit. There is a reason why we change oil in our truck right. Because the lubricity of the oil is broke down and the oil is contaminated with waste and by-products of combustion.

Originally Posted by patracy

Strange....

Cummins stated more than 10 years ago you could burn a percentage of WEO in the fuel. I think that coma might have scrambled a few things in there.

True... Cummins does allow WEO/WMO to be used in fuel but the percentage of usage is not 80%, 50% etc... It only 5% WEO/WMO...

Originally Posted by MikeyB

There are owners that have gone over 500k miles on the 12v using WMO with no issues. So what's the deal? Filter the oil correctly shouldn't be any worse than the crappy diesel we have. And god knows I have seen some really $hitty diesel (dirt, slug debris, dead critters). Bad enough to have the tankers pressure washed and steam cleaned before the next load.

MikeyB

The only thing I think would do a really good job of filter oil enough to the point I would use it would be pumping it through my frantz filter...

But remember this doesn't remove the ASH and CARBON that is loaded up in the oil this why Cummins did set a limit of 5%...

Oil enters the filter through the center fitting, flows upward through the center tube and then downward through the filter media. As the clean oil leaves the filter media, it passes through a fine wire screen assembly to the outlet fitting. A 1/16" restrictor orifice is placed in the inlet fitting to control the flow rate through the filter. Because of the low velocity of the oil passing through the dense tissue, it is easily separated from the contaminant particles which are readily disposed of by changing the filter element. The Frantz Oil filter/cleaner protects every precision part of your engine against wear by removing the smallest harmful particles as well as up to six ounces of water.

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[speed185187]

Does the engine oil from gasoline engine's contain the high amounts of carbon and ash?

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[Mopar1973Man]

Originally Posted by speed185187

Does the engine oil from gasoline engine's contain the high amounts of carbon and ash?

All engine oils have ASH in them...

The only oil I know right now that is ASHLESS is 2 cycle oil...

As for carbon content all waste oil is going to have some degree of carbon in it... Its a wastee product of combustion...

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[jdham137]

OK, so the people against it seem to be against it mainly because of ash contamination. If the oil was filtered to less than a micron in a centrifuge and mixed with biodiesel with the oil being 20% of the mixture, what issues are we then looking at?

John David
1990 D250
Just ticked over 287,000 miles today!

[jdham137]

Also, what about synthetic oil, gearbox oil, and transmission fluid? Burnable if cleaned as outlined in my previous post?

[ISX]

I know for a fact synthetic oil doesn't burn, or if it does it doesn't burn very good.. Drained amsoil out of the dodge, dumped it in the ford, white smoked that whole dam tank..

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[patracy]

I'll do some testing soon for everyone. Looks like some of my sideline work is coming to fruition. I'll try some filtering of WEO to see what I can do with a centrifuge. I'll even send it off for analysis afterwards.

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[Stump Jumper]

Tansmission fluid will and gear oil will burn to I also read on a $bt forum of people using hydraulic oil. I have read about synthetic not burning well they engine will still run on it but to much of it dose not burn and leves diposits in the exhaust.

as for the ash/carbon in the oil........ most ash that is in the oil will burn due to the intense heat and presure at wich it is burned. as an example look at a fire pit verses at wood burning stove when the fire pit burns out you are left with large chunks of charcoal when the same wood is burned in a closed enviorment(wood stove) it burns to a very fine ash.

I have ran both WEO and transmision fluid in my truck first in lower amounts 5 gal in a full tank. did not notice a differance. then when It got down to below 1/4 tank I put in 5 more gal of oil atf mix and it seem snappier. and smelled like buring oil Milage was the same just a little more black smoke with the pedel to the floor.

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