Black Oil

Quake · 03-25-2008, 02:02 PM

Just wondering if anybody else has this problem. I just changed the oil went to a sythetic 5-40 and the oil is still black as the ace of spades. My CTD is an 06 megacab 5.9 HO totally stock with 50,000km. Am I missing out on a step here? I would assume that the oil should be clean looking for at leaste 5000km or so.. any ideas??

98.5HOTROD · 03-25-2008, 02:44 PM

The oil turns black real fast., it don't take long. I've heard it gets black even faster on the newer trucks.

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NavyDood · 03-25-2008, 02:52 PM

Perfectly normal for the 04.5 and newer trucks. Even worse on the new 6.7.

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2rowdy · 03-25-2008, 03:03 PM

My oil will be black in about 10 miless after an oil change. UOA still shows low insolubles though. I have not had an uoa since I switched to shaeffer's supreme 9000 5w-40. So we'll see if the syn comes back as good.

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Quake · 03-25-2008, 03:26 PM

WOW That is crazy I was thinking it was a issue with poor filtration or non combusted fuel. Is there a way to decrease this? Is there a trick to getting the black crud from the bottom of the oil pan afrter draining it .. or is this a non issue..

Thanks for all of your feed back.. This forum has been a great resource for me.

YamYZ250F · 03-25-2008, 03:38 PM

as soon as u turn the key and drive it it'll be black..its a non issue all diesels do it, thats just how they are ...diesels arent like cars...

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2rowdy · 03-25-2008, 03:55 PM

The newer diesels are like that. Whenever they started adding the 3rd injection event I believe. IIRC it started with common rail.

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porkchopexpress · 03-25-2008, 04:02 PM

i believe the 3rd injection event came in 04.5

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spansil · 03-25-2008, 04:15 PM

My `97 was just as bad as my `06. Ten minutes and it looks like it was never changed.

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**Duluth Diesel** · 03-25-2008, 04:18 PM

A bypass filter may help since they filter much finer than standard oil filters. You're seeing soot loading. Also, since you switched from conventional to synthetic, you may be seeing a quicker black color due to the synthetic oil cleaning out the sludge inside your engine that has been deposited from conventional oil use. Mopar oil filters are a paper (cellulose) filter made by Fleetguard for Mopar and are rated at 35 micron. Fleetguard Stratapore filters use a synthetic filter media and are rated at 25 micron. AMSOIL Ea filters are rated at 15 micron, and most bypass systems are rated between 2 and 3 microns. The particles that do the most wear in your engine over time are between 7 and 12 micron. This include soot loading from fuel combustion.

I run an AMSOIL Bypass Filtration system on my '02.

-Chuck

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bekim · 03-25-2008, 05:26 PM

Totally normal! Even with a 2 micron bypass filter it's black right away. The black is the sub-micron soot particles that even the bypass system doesn't get. On the good side, Chuck and I get the benefit of a much better filter straining out the most damaging 3-10 micron particles that do most of the damage.
Mike
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JSPulliam21 · 03-25-2008, 06:57 PM

No worries. That shows that the oil is doing its job of suspending the soot, and not letting it settle out in the oil pan and other places forming sludge. You could do a couple of flushes with fresh oil, but it won't do any good.

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03-25-2008, 02:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
Quake Cummins Fan Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 49 Quake's Truck Pics	Black Oil Just wondering if anybody else has this problem. I just changed the oil went to a sythetic 5-40 and the oil is still black as the ace of spades. My CTD is an 06 megacab 5.9 HO totally stock with 50,000km. Am I missing out on a step here? I would assume that the oil should be clean looking for at leaste 5000km or so.. any ideas??

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03-25-2008, 02:44 PM	#2 (permalink)
98.5HOTROD Cummins Nut Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Taylor, MI Posts: 433 98.5HOTROD's Truck Pics	The oil turns black real fast., it don't take long. I've heard it gets black even faster on the newer trucks. __________________ 1998.5 2500 Ext cab, 2wd, 5-speed,3.54 gears, AFE Stage 2, 4" turbo back,DDP 150 stixs, Smarty Revo,TST PMCE, F1 Springs, Helix 2, ARP Studs, all gauges, BD auxiliary fuel pump , Turbo Re-Source custom GT3788R, SB DD.Coaltrain Diesel Performance 419-392-1678

03-25-2008, 02:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
NavyDood Cummins Nut Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Solomons Posts: 405 NavyDood's Truck Pics	Perfectly normal for the 04.5 and newer trucks. Even worse on the new 6.7. __________________ - 2004 2500 QC, SWB, 4x4, 48re w/Mag-Hytec DD, Smarty Jr, HOG 4" Exh, Modded Air Box w/Amsoil Drop In, Isspro Pyro/Boost/Tranny Temp, Quadzilla RPG w/fuel pressure option - B&W Hide-A-Ball w/5th wheel Companion - 06 Pilgrim Legends 30RE2SLF-5

03-25-2008, 03:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
2rowdy Cummins Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Shallowater , TX CSA Posts: 239 2rowdy's Truck Pics	My oil will be black in about 10 miless after an oil change. UOA still shows low insolubles though. I have not had an uoa since I switched to shaeffer's supreme 9000 5w-40. So we'll see if the syn comes back as good. __________________ 2007.5, 6.7 liter, 988 springs, brilliant black crystal pearl, ISSPRO pyro, boost, trans temp, frontier replacement front and rear bumpers, headache rack and bed caps. Muffler gone, permatec spray in liner, FS-2500, Kenwood DNX-7100.

03-25-2008, 03:26 PM	#5 (permalink)
Quake Cummins Fan Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 49 Quake's Truck Pics	WOW That is crazy I was thinking it was a issue with poor filtration or non combusted fuel. Is there a way to decrease this? Is there a trick to getting the black crud from the bottom of the oil pan afrter draining it .. or is this a non issue.. Thanks for all of your feed back.. This forum has been a great resource for me.

03-25-2008, 03:38 PM	#6 (permalink)
YamYZ250F Diesel Freak Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: columbus Oh Posts: 537 YamYZ250F's Truck Pics	as soon as u turn the key and drive it it'll be black..its a non issue all diesels do it, thats just how they are ...diesels arent like cars... __________________ 2006 Dodge 2500 Quad Cab Long bed 4x4, Magnaflow Muffler, Cat is MIA, HM 4" intake, and removed silincing ring and my toys 98 Jeep TJ 10" lift 38 super swampers,89 YJ 8" LIFT 36 IROKS, 2007 Yamaha YZ250F. live in good ole Ohio

03-25-2008, 03:55 PM	#7 (permalink)
2rowdy Cummins Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Shallowater , TX CSA Posts: 239 2rowdy's Truck Pics	The newer diesels are like that. Whenever they started adding the 3rd injection event I believe. IIRC it started with common rail. __________________ 2007.5, 6.7 liter, 988 springs, brilliant black crystal pearl, ISSPRO pyro, boost, trans temp, frontier replacement front and rear bumpers, headache rack and bed caps. Muffler gone, permatec spray in liner, FS-2500, Kenwood DNX-7100.

03-25-2008, 04:02 PM	#8 (permalink)
porkchopexpress Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 197 porkchopexpress's Truck Pics	i believe the 3rd injection event came in 04.5 __________________ 07 3500 4dr DRW 4x4 auto...

03-25-2008, 04:15 PM	#9 (permalink)
spansil Cummins Fan Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: West Palm Beach Posts: 68 spansil's Truck Pics	My `97 was just as bad as my `06. Ten minutes and it looks like it was never changed. __________________ IN GOD WE TRUST 2006 Mega Cab Laramie 2500, Silver, 4X4, automatic, stock.

03-25-2008, 04:18 PM	#10 (permalink)
Duluth Diesel Twin Port Sales, Authorized Amsoil Dealer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Superior, WI Posts: 6,165 Duluth Diesel's Truck Pics	A bypass filter may help since they filter much finer than standard oil filters. You're seeing soot loading. Also, since you switched from conventional to synthetic, you may be seeing a quicker black color due to the synthetic oil cleaning out the sludge inside your engine that has been deposited from conventional oil use. Mopar oil filters are a paper (cellulose) filter made by Fleetguard for Mopar and are rated at 35 micron. Fleetguard Stratapore filters use a synthetic filter media and are rated at 25 micron. AMSOIL Ea filters are rated at 15 micron, and most bypass systems are rated between 2 and 3 microns. The particles that do the most wear in your engine over time are between 7 and 12 micron. This include soot loading from fuel combustion. I run an AMSOIL Bypass Filtration system on my '02. -Chuck __________________ AMSOIL ONLINE STORE - DISCOUNT PRICING AVAILABLE CLICK HERE FOR A FREE AMSOIL CATALOG *TWIN PORT SALES - AMSOIL* SHIPPED DIRECT CHANGE YOUR THINKING, NOT YOUR OIL. INJEN Nanofiber Intake Systems**

03-25-2008, 05:26 PM	#11 (permalink)
bekim Cummins Nut Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: So. California Posts: 322 bekim's Truck Pics	Totally normal! Even with a 2 micron bypass filter it's black right away. The black is the sub-micron soot particles that even the bypass system doesn't get. On the good side, Chuck and I get the benefit of a much better filter straining out the most damaging 3-10 micron particles that do most of the damage. Mike ### __________________ 2004.5 Ram 2500, 2WD Crew Cab Long Bed Cummins 600, 373's, Bullydog with Outlook Monitor, BHAF with Outerwears pre-filter, 4" ANSA Silverline turbo back exhaust(lost the cat) with flow thru muffler, Oilguard bypass oil filter, second lift pump CARPENTERS LOCAL 1506 Build it, and they will come

03-25-2008, 06:57 PM	#12 (permalink)
JSPulliam21 Diesel Freak Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Mount Juliet, TN Posts: 841 JSPulliam21's Truck Pics	No worries. That shows that the oil is doing its job of suspending the soot, and not letting it settle out in the oil pan and other places forming sludge. You could do a couple of flushes with fresh oil, but it won't do any good. __________________ 98.5 3500 QC LB NV4500 4x4 3.55 SRW, DiPricol gauges, BHAF, 4" Silverline, DD 100HP Nozzles, Edge Comp, Valair 3800 DD, Draw Straw, 1/2" Filter to IP Line, FASS 95HPFP, 2" Leveling Kit, DSS, 35" X-Terrains, H2 wheels, KDP killed 403HP/899 TQ