Dodge vs Biodiesel- what are the real problems - Page 2

ak_cowboy · 01-11-2008, 10:23 PM

I run b100 until winter time in my common rail with no problems. It is homebrew. In the winter I run b20-b50. I have run it from the day I bought it.

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2006 2500 Mega Limo 5.9 CRD running homebrew Biodiesel
Triple Dogged w/ Outlook,2 inch level kit, Silencer ring.....MIA, AFE Torque tube, Amsoil BHAF 4510

1967 Dodge Polara 500 currently getting a face lift. 383ci .030 Edlebrock 750 carb, 484 lift cam @ 272 duration = 14.5 second land yacht!

jefff929 · 01-12-2008, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ak_cowboy

I run b100 until winter time in my common rail with no problems.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rufushusky

Well I ran B20 in my common rail and I had no problems.

The OP has a 01. Would you guys put a programmer on a 12v? How about a G in Cummins? Gas in your truck? If this is offensive, too bad. You done gone an pushed my buttons, I'm just returning the favor.

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ak_cowboy · 01-12-2008, 09:02 AM

Pull your head out of your arse jeff. The point is that if you can run it in the most finicky engine that Cummins makes, you can run it in any of them. Thanks for the attention in your attack.

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2006 2500 Mega Limo 5.9 CRD running homebrew Biodiesel
Triple Dogged w/ Outlook,2 inch level kit, Silencer ring.....MIA, AFE Torque tube, Amsoil BHAF 4510

1967 Dodge Polara 500 currently getting a face lift. 383ci .030 Edlebrock 750 carb, 484 lift cam @ 272 duration = 14.5 second land yacht!

jefff929 · 01-12-2008, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ak_cowboy

Pull your head out of your arse jeff. The point is that if you can run it in the most finicky engine that Cummins makes, you can run it in any of them. Thanks for the attention in your attack.

I agree totally, any diesel motor can run it.

It is a bit of a hyjack for the OP when you start adding other info that might confuse someone who doesn't have the info you do.

I hope my attack was taken in the spirit it was provided and not a blow to your delicate psyche.

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ak_cowboy · 01-12-2008, 09:40 AM

no worries the only thing that hurts my psyche is when the Seahawks lose. That ain't happening today though!!! lol

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2006 2500 Mega Limo 5.9 CRD running homebrew Biodiesel
Triple Dogged w/ Outlook,2 inch level kit, Silencer ring.....MIA, AFE Torque tube, Amsoil BHAF 4510

1967 Dodge Polara 500 currently getting a face lift. 383ci .030 Edlebrock 750 carb, 484 lift cam @ 272 duration = 14.5 second land yacht!

jefff929 · 01-12-2008, 10:06 AM

arcoen,

As ak_cowboy has pointed out you can run Bio in even in climates that are not moderate. However, if you even think you will visit one of these areas you need to look at the ambient temperatures or you might end up with a tank slushy. I encourage you to find out the recommended mix for the temperatures you will run in.

Have a set of fuel filters available, under the seat is best.

Your processor will need careful attention. I wouldn't give up if you have a source, the time, and the space to devote to production. I encourage you to educate yourself and continue your quest.

Many first time users/producers have made mistakes and done bad things, like making a tank slushy, and produced negative feedback on the product and process. IMO this is a load of crap, because they didn't take the time to find out what they should have known, don't fill up with B99/100 in the winter in Cheyenne, WY and expect your truck to run for long. Don't take shortcuts in processing, if your processor tank is not done settling, go buy #2, you don't want it to continue its process in the bottom of your truck tank.

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Good luck all

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rufushusky · 01-12-2008, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jefff929

I agree totally, any diesel motor can run it.

It is a bit of a hyjack for the OP when you start adding other info that might confuse someone who doesn't have the info you do.

No I was not trying to hijack, just to clarify that I have a Common Rail so my motor MAY, but I don't think it is likely, act a little differently.

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canadiancarguy · 01-12-2008, 10:29 AM

There is a test called a phlip test that works to test how well reacted the biodiesel is. You put 3ml of biodiesel into 27ml of methanol. If anything falls out of suspension, you do not have fully reacted biodiesel and there is free glycerine in the fuel and that will contribute to wearing out your injector nozzles. If you are buying commercial biodiesel that cannot pass this simple test, they shouldn't even be in business because their fuel sucks.

PPDMostWanted · 01-12-2008, 10:30 AM

jeff, did you make your own processor or have you boughten one?

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arcoen · 01-14-2008, 08:50 AM

Keep the info coming- it's hard to find the truth from real people about bio. The couple of things I have learned is to have a way to monitor fuel pressure- or you will be replacing both fuel pumps, and quality of the bio just like any other fuel has to be of good quality. This is the first time after many hours of researching this- that I have heard of better mpg's. I have gotten more and better info from here then the dozens of other places I have looked on this subject. Thanks for the help- I'll make sure I continue to post here as I start with bio.

febrocks · 01-14-2008, 10:12 AM

The problems I had is listed below. It's really just fyi.

-fuel pressure sender bad. Leaking from signal posts. Do Not use sender that has rubber diaphram.

-If you run holley, it might leaking on bottom plate. Mine did on b100. Can't recall how long it took. I forgot when I installed it.

-3 plugged filters so far.

Good luck on your research.
Eugene

ps: the 24v will run on undercovered biodiesel. Don't ask how I know.

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Last edited by febrocks : 01-14-2008 at 10:13 AM. Reason: grammer correction

rufushusky · 01-14-2008, 12:06 PM

Some fuel filter pics

new vs. 10,000 miles old

After two weeks of B20, I know not a long but I had no problems when I pulled it 5000 miles later

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04.5 Ram 2500 Reg Cab 4x4 5.9, 48re, AEM, Smarty, TS Ramifier, Banks High Ram,FASS HPFP, Boost/pyro/trans/FP/RP gauges, 5" Exhaust, Cat 2 micron fuel filter, Amsoil Bypass

Check out: Rig of the Month!

http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/rig-month/

01-14-2008, 08:50 AM	#22 (permalink)
arcoen Cummins Fan Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 54 arcoen's Truck Pics	great info Keep the info coming- it's hard to find the truth from real people about bio. The couple of things I have learned is to have a way to monitor fuel pressure- or you will be replacing both fuel pumps, and quality of the bio just like any other fuel has to be of good quality. This is the first time after many hours of researching this- that I have heard of better mpg's. I have gotten more and better info from here then the dozens of other places I have looked on this subject. Thanks for the help- I'll make sure I continue to post here as I start with bio.

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01-11-2008, 10:23 PM	#13 (permalink)
ak_cowboy Biodiesel Cult Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Juneau, AK Posts: 444 ak_cowboy's Truck Pics	I run b100 until winter time in my common rail with no problems. It is homebrew. In the winter I run b20-b50. I have run it from the day I bought it. __________________ 2006 2500 Mega Limo 5.9 CRD running homebrew Biodiesel Triple Dogged w/ Outlook,2 inch level kit, Silencer ring.....MIA, AFE Torque tube, Amsoil BHAF 4510 1967 Dodge Polara 500 currently getting a face lift. 383ci .030 Edlebrock 750 carb, 484 lift cam @ 272 duration = 14.5 second land yacht!

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01-12-2008, 09:02 AM	#15 (permalink)
ak_cowboy Biodiesel Cult Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Juneau, AK Posts: 444 ak_cowboy's Truck Pics	Pull your head out of your arse jeff. The point is that if you can run it in the most finicky engine that Cummins makes, you can run it in any of them. Thanks for the attention in your attack. __________________ 2006 2500 Mega Limo 5.9 CRD running homebrew Biodiesel Triple Dogged w/ Outlook,2 inch level kit, Silencer ring.....MIA, AFE Torque tube, Amsoil BHAF 4510 1967 Dodge Polara 500 currently getting a face lift. 383ci .030 Edlebrock 750 carb, 484 lift cam @ 272 duration = 14.5 second land yacht!

01-12-2008, 09:40 AM	#17 (permalink)
ak_cowboy Biodiesel Cult Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Juneau, AK Posts: 444 ak_cowboy's Truck Pics	no worries the only thing that hurts my psyche is when the Seahawks lose. That ain't happening today though!!! lol __________________ 2006 2500 Mega Limo 5.9 CRD running homebrew Biodiesel Triple Dogged w/ Outlook,2 inch level kit, Silencer ring.....MIA, AFE Torque tube, Amsoil BHAF 4510 1967 Dodge Polara 500 currently getting a face lift. 383ci .030 Edlebrock 750 carb, 484 lift cam @ 272 duration = 14.5 second land yacht!

01-12-2008, 10:06 AM	#18 (permalink)
jefff929 Diesel Freak Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 869 jefff929's Truck Pics	arcoen, As ak_cowboy has pointed out you can run Bio in even in climates that are not moderate. However, if you even think you will visit one of these areas you need to look at the ambient temperatures or you might end up with a tank slushy. I encourage you to find out the recommended mix for the temperatures you will run in. Have a set of fuel filters available, under the seat is best. Your processor will need careful attention. I wouldn't give up if you have a source, the time, and the space to devote to production. I encourage you to educate yourself and continue your quest. Many first time users/producers have made mistakes and done bad things, like making a tank slushy, and produced negative feedback on the product and process. IMO this is a load of crap, because they didn't take the time to find out what they should have known, don't fill up with B99/100 in the winter in Cheyenne, WY and expect your truck to run for long. Don't take shortcuts in processing, if your processor tank is not done settling, go buy #2, you don't want it to continue its process in the bottom of your truck tank. __________________ sic-and-Fk'n tired of Trolls, CF included. Good luck all Last edited by jefff929 : 01-12-2008 at 10:09 AM.

01-12-2008, 10:29 AM	#20 (permalink)
canadiancarguy Cummins Fan Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 66 canadiancarguy's Truck Pics	There is a test called a phlip test that works to test how well reacted the biodiesel is. You put 3ml of biodiesel into 27ml of methanol. If anything falls out of suspension, you do not have fully reacted biodiesel and there is free glycerine in the fuel and that will contribute to wearing out your injector nozzles. If you are buying commercial biodiesel that cannot pass this simple test, they shouldn't even be in business because their fuel sucks.

01-12-2008, 10:30 AM	#21 (permalink)
PPDMostWanted Cummins Nut Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Washington, Pullman Posts: 335 PPDMostWanted's Truck Pics	jeff, did you make your own processor or have you boughten one? __________________ Old enough to know better, Too young to resist. 1990 w250 CTD LE reg cab. Straight piped 3.5''. A-727 tranny. 249,000 miles. All STOCK! Gauges - EGT, Boost, Tranny, Tach, and Fuel Pressure. Soon to experiment with, Waste Vegetable Oil.

01-14-2008, 10:12 AM	#23 (permalink)
febrocks Cummins Nut Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 308 febrocks's Truck Pics	The problems I had is listed below. It's really just fyi. -fuel pressure sender bad. Leaking from signal posts. Do Not use sender that has rubber diaphram. -If you run holley, it might leaking on bottom plate. Mine did on b100. Can't recall how long it took. I forgot when I installed it. -3 plugged filters so far. Good luck on your research. Eugene ps: the 24v will run on undercovered biodiesel. Don't ask how I know. __________________ 98.5 2500 slt, 24v,quad cab,2wd, longbed, auto. amsoil air filter, II stage 2 injector, VA V5, stock straight pipe, fass hpfp. FP/pryo/trans temp gauge. Last edited by febrocks : 01-14-2008 at 10:13 AM. Reason: grammer correction

01-14-2008, 12:06 PM	#24 (permalink)
rufushusky Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The People's republic of Massachusetts Posts: 4,145 rufushusky's Truck Pics	Some fuel filter pics new vs. 10,000 miles old After two weeks of B20, I know not a long but I had no problems when I pulled it 5000 miles later __________________ Dennis 04.5 Ram 2500 Reg Cab 4x4 5.9, 48re, AEM, Smarty, TS Ramifier, Banks High Ram,FASS HPFP, Boost/pyro/trans/FP/RP gauges, 5" Exhaust, Cat 2 micron fuel filter, Amsoil Bypass Check out: Rig of the Month! http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/rig-month/