My Magdrive HHO test Results

[diesel35]

Originally Posted by DBLR

If you can prove the law of thermo dynamics wrong then Please do so right now. If you can get a cars fuel mileage to increase by 500% lets see it done. Your the one making a claim of how so many people with academic degrees are wrong, so when are you going to prove them wrong? Don't just hid behind your computer keyboard get out in the world and prove them Wrong! You keep saying that you can prove a lot of people wrong, lets see you do it on the national news, say 2 weeks from today? Come on look at all the Fame and Fortune you will have the minute you get on TV and can prove so many Scientist wrong. What are you waiting for?

I made a 3 cell unit. i get a 4 mpg improvment. people all over the world are making hho cells.

[Mopar1973Man]

've been watching several HHO threads on forums. I know if you build a big enough system you can gain some MPG's but how much are you losing to make the coversion from water to HHO?

Here is a 30 Amp unit...


Here is 85 Amp unit...


Now you losing 30 to 85 Amps of electricity to the conversion process how much are you gain back from the production? this is what I want to know...

Like myself I'm still running petroluem diesel fuel and pulling a good solid 21-23 MPG daily. I topped out once at 26.6 MPG. So when someone lese here can exceed me with HHO I start listening...



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[K.C.]

Originally Posted by Stratous

Has anyone tried to build there own yet? If so, how has it helped you? If you want more information than you need...lol. Then visit these forums. Its loaded with a bunch of people smarter than I am that can answer most questions that you have.
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I have built several of them the mason jar ones are a joke they wont put out enough HHO to do any good. The Dry cell unit I am building now will put out about 3.5-4 lpm at 34-40amps with a PWM I will let you know what it does. The one I am currently using puts out 2.5-3 lpm at 35-40 amps wet cell unit. I have only driven in town miles with it my overhead went up from 19.9 to 24.5 but that does not count for much. When I get back on the road with this truck I will know if they really work or not I drive 3500-4000 miles a week in this truck and know exactly what my average full mileage is and has been for 1 1/2 years when I put in 342 gears. I track mileage by the trip the week the mounth then take three month and average it out. It has been a constant 14mpg so any change I will be able to prove that they work or DON'T. Later K>C.

[turbo97se]

I am new here but interested in how Diesels would be able to take advantage of HHO. In a gasoline (petrol) engine car, the principle is quite simple. You can trick the engine management system into thinking up to half the air is actually entering into the engine by simply reducing the voltage on the MAF or MAP sensor, it therefore injects half tha amount of fuel. What prevents detonation is the HHO. People are always hung up about energy in producing hydrogen vs. energy in combustion. In this particular case it is not so much the energy HHO combustion produces but rather the fact that it prevents detonation (pre-ignition due to lean mixture) also that's why you get a lot more savings with gasoline. With Diesel, the combustion process relies on detonation (or a controlled form of it). I am very new to diesels. I am not sure how diesels determine how much fuel to inject but if that can be tricked also to reduce the amount of fuel injected, you would see more gains in economy (not in power though). I will read this thread again to see if I missed anything.

[kenny110482]

Any more info K.C?

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[TrickTruck]

The reason this doesn't violate the 2nd law is that breaking water down into HHO is not the same process as combustion.

So yes, it can work without rewriting the laws of thermodynamics.

Seems to me the biggest problem of getting good results in a modern engine is that the onboard computer isn't tuned to cohabitate with HHO.

IF you can make a reliable HHO generator and IF you can reliably modify the engine's computer than there should be big advantages to this system.

Seems like a good application of a custom Edge or Smarty with a reliable HHO generator would yield results.
IMHO, until you can do both of these it's a waste of time.

Probably much easier to make it work on a pre-EFI engine because the computer won't fight you. You simply tune the carb and ign to work with the alternate fuel source.

[MCummings]

Originally Posted by turbo97se

I am not sure how diesels determine how much fuel to inject but if that can be tricked also to reduce the amount of fuel injected

Diesels determine how much fuel to inject based on the position of the throttle lever.

More fuel injected = more power
Less fuel injected = less power

You can inject more fuel to make more power pretty much until you run out of air, but the motor will run to hot, and destruct (burn up). (So, just ad more air )

The less fuel you inject, you will make less power, until the engine is not getting enough fuel to even run, which is how idle rpm RPM is attained. Inject just enough fuel to keep the engine turning over.

Air is not metered in a diesel. Pretty much, the more you put, the better.


To inject less fuel, just pick up your foot a little bit. OF course, now you will be running a little less RPM.... but, you are injecting less fuel! LOL.

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[kenny110482]

There is gonna be a write up in DieselPower mag next month. Heads up for those interested.

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[Kilroy]

Petty lame write up. The least they could have done was a before and after test. I've gotten more information from this thread.

Originally Posted by kenny110482

There is gonna be a write up in DieselPower mag next month. Heads up for those interested.

[kenny110482]

I havnt read it yet. I guess ill quit holding my breath for something groundbreaking.

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[patracy]

Originally Posted by TrickTruck

The reason this doesn't violate the 2nd law is that breaking water down into HHO is not the same process as combustion.

So yes, it can work without rewriting the laws of thermodynamics.

Seems to me the biggest problem of getting good results in a modern engine is that the onboard computer isn't tuned to cohabitate with HHO.

IF you can make a reliable HHO generator and IF you can reliably modify the engine's computer than there should be big advantages to this system.

Seems like a good application of a custom Edge or Smarty with a reliable HHO generator would yield results.
IMHO, until you can do both of these it's a waste of time.

Probably much easier to make it work on a pre-EFI engine because the computer won't fight you. You simply tune the carb and ign to work with the alternate fuel source.

Let me see... it takes 1.5 calories of energy to convert H2O into oxyhydrogen, yet the burning of those molecule only yeild 1 calorie of energy. Seems like a loss to me?

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[daves40]

Originally Posted by 2001.5CTD2500

Anybody else have this setup, you guys almost have me convinced on buying one. Overall, how satisfied would you say you are with the system.

were building one at work, we have a team of motor heads and engineers. when were done and have tested it we'll send you a link.