My Magdrive HHO test Results - Page 5

chipjumper · 05-15-2008, 07:25 PM

"Magdrive Exposed" video YouTube - MagDrive Exposed!

I don't doubt the technology in this but I'd rather spend the $5 in parts then spend $599

Stratous · 05-26-2008, 09:52 PM

I am not sure about mpg yet, but I certainly noticed a huge difference in power in mid and upper level rpm range. Normally when I floor it I get huge amounts of black smoke, but today it barely smoked at all and was still spinning the tires in 4th gear. I just started my test run today. My mpg before the installation of the hho generator was 17.7mpg in the city. In a few day I should have some numbers for yall. Here are a couple pictures of my installation. Oh, I built the unit from the ground up.

Last edited by Stratous : 06-11-2008 at 04:07 PM.

Stratous · 06-07-2008, 10:33 PM

Ok, after driving 108 miles, I filled the truck up with 5 gallons of Diesel fuel. Thats 21ish mpg. I was getting 17. That was over a week ago. Currently I have driven 380 miles on just over a half tank all these miles are in town with the A/C on. I wanted better gains, but I will take anything.

DBLR · 06-09-2008, 08:53 AM

I think everyone needs to read this post above titled "For you reading enjoyment........" to understand why an HHO set up can not work as well as everyone keeps claiming it can and does!

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JyRO · 06-09-2008, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stratous

Ok, after driving 108 miles, I filled the truck up with 5 gallons of Diesel fuel. Thats 21ish mpg. I was getting 17. That was over a week ago. Currently I have driven 380 miles on just over a half tank all these miles are in town with the A/C on. I wanted better gains, but I will take anything.

Stratous - I don't mean for this to sound belittling, but I don't type my thought process very clearly. I'm actually a very nice person

JyRO <--- horse's butt.

I just have a feeling that regarding your quoted post above, that you were probably driving fairly easily / efficiently on those 380 miles, and without that H contraption on there you might have averaged 20.9 mpg, instead of 21.0ish.

But I could be wrong. I ran to NC and back in my truck about a month ago. Of course it was 90% smooth driving, but with a 4X4, I averaged 22.8 mpg.

I commend you folks for trying these and other mpg increasers, but this particular contraption I don't believe it works effectively (yet).

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m_mcgranahan · 06-09-2008, 03:38 PM

Hi,

Hmm, I had thought about this years ago, but it was oxygen richening. I heard that if one increases the o2 concentration from 21% that is in the atmosphere, to 28% there would be a 75% power gain and much better fuel effeciency. Anyone else heard this before? Obviously when you split water you get both o2 and H. Are you guys feeding both gasses into the intake or venting off the o2?

Thanks

GOd bless..

Mark

Stratous · 06-11-2008, 03:56 PM

Its ok to be skeptical, All of my driving has been in town. No highway so far, probably wont be either unless I am towing our camper. So far since my last post, My trip meter reads 589 miles and I still have just under 1/4 tank of deisel left.

We do feed both H2 and O into our intake, on a gas powered vehicle gains can be much better since you can control your MAP and O2 sensors. Deisels are a bit more difficult to get those gains because of lack of controlability.

If you would like to see different claims of gain goto this web site. HHO Forums - Trying to facilitate the production of HHO for the common folk. - Powered by vBulletin this is just forums and so far, the only people selling stuff are spammers. I for one am not selling anything so have no reason to convince anyone of any thing. Believe me if you want or dont, its no skin off my back.

Last edited by Stratous : 06-11-2008 at 04:02 PM.

Stratous · 06-11-2008, 04:15 PM

Here are some Pics of the HHO cell I built if your intrested.

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Stratous · 07-07-2008, 12:15 AM

If your intrested in building your own HHO device then visi these forums. There are alot of people there who have spent alot of time experimenting and maybe able to save you some time. All the information here is free. HHO Forums - Trying to facilitate the production of HHO for the common folk. - Powered by vBulletin

Last edited by Stratous : 07-07-2008 at 02:58 PM.

totalloser · 07-14-2008, 12:34 AM

Pwr2Tow- You need no education. It makes NO difference where gasses are dumped. The turbocharger does not "heat" the air charge per se. It compresses the air, and through "adiabatic heating" effect, since the same amount of thermal energy is now compressed into a smaller space, it is more hot. The intercooler (actually an "aftercooler" as there is no supercharger) dumps some of this heat so higher flows can be attained.

I don't think venturis will work with this setup to inject any gasses post turbo as the necessary venturi restriction required to overcome the stock 21 psi of boost would choke the flow to the point of minimal boost. Won't work. In a carburetor, you are only trying to pull fuel less than 1/4" from atmospheric pressure, so you need very minimal vacuum differential at the venturi. Like 1/25 of one psi approximately. I think you would need a 20 psi differential to work at full boost.

Tree Dr. The pilot pulse would make the injection of gasses moot as the pilot pulse serves the same purpose. It precharges the cylinder for less knock. I do not think the vp engines ever came with it, as the cams in the injection pump would need two lobes so close together it would be nearly impossible. This is a demonstration of the broad flexibility of the common rail system to deliver fuel. The earlier common rails, I believe did not have pilot pulse. It was found sort of by accident and then programmed in. But I could have the details mixed up on that one.

HHO is a scam from one end to the other. Their claims are DOUBLE the fuel efficiency. I get 19 on a tank pretty regularly, and occasionally hit as high as 20.5. Consider what I am driving when looking at that efficiency number. I went to 35's, 4" exhaust and 100 hp injectors all at once, and my fuel efficiency was 16 AT BEST before. More fuel at lower rpm= better efficiency. It is a tried and proven method of increasing your fuel efficiency. A chip/programmer might be more effective though, as it can also sweep your injection timing.

As I have stated from my first encounter of this "HHO" There are gaping holes in their claims, not the least of which is that "HHO" chemically is simply water. Same thing as H2O. Two hydrogens and one oxygen in a chemical (non ionic) bond.

Split the "HHO" or H2O into H2 and O2, and the gain in efficiency from a more complete burn MIGHT overcome the energy to create these gasses from electrolysis. But *BUT* you can make your own generator for cheap. These HHO "Brown's gas" guys are charlatan scammer con artists. I urge you not to give these frauds any money.

Personally I think the fuel efficiency gain from an electrolysis machine should be able to overcome the load loss from making the hydrogen. It requires an anode and cathode (graphite pencil lead is good) or a small science kit fuel cell. It also requires distilled water and perhaps an acid or salt catalyst. If you introduce contaminants from not using distilled water, it will allow your hydrogen to bond into worthless more complex chemicals. A reliable on board source of distilled water is your evaporator drain tube from your a/c. It condenses water in a similar fashion to an inside out still. With the condensation on the outside of the radiator vs the inside. This is just an idea, though.

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Stratous · 07-15-2008, 09:12 PM

Has anyone tried to build there own yet? If so, how has it helped you? If you want more information than you need...lol. Then visit these forums. Its loaded with a bunch of people smarter than I am that can answer most questions that you have.
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Tree DR · 07-24-2008, 06:51 AM

I have figued out that the pilot injection doesn't affect the H burn. What also seems necessary is more H than I previously found worked. I have increased my H & O production and have seen as good as 23mpg would have normally been around 17.5mpg. Now I haven't seen consitancy but my cell design is improveing. Hopefull I will have a cell that will be consisant in output by next week and have a better grasp on volume of H/O and mpg gains.

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05-26-2008, 09:52 PM	#50 (permalink)
Stratous Newbie Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 6 Stratous's Truck Pics	My rig I am not sure about mpg yet, but I certainly noticed a huge difference in power in mid and upper level rpm range. Normally when I floor it I get huge amounts of black smoke, but today it barely smoked at all and was still spinning the tires in 4th gear. I just started my test run today. My mpg before the installation of the hho generator was 17.7mpg in the city. In a few day I should have some numbers for yall. Here are a couple pictures of my installation. Oh, I built the unit from the ground up. Last edited by Stratous : 06-11-2008 at 04:07 PM.

06-07-2008, 10:33 PM	#51 (permalink)
Stratous Newbie Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 6 Stratous's Truck Pics	MPG gains Ok, after driving 108 miles, I filled the truck up with 5 gallons of Diesel fuel. Thats 21ish mpg. I was getting 17. That was over a week ago. Currently I have driven 380 miles on just over a half tank all these miles are in town with the A/C on. I wanted better gains, but I will take anything.

06-11-2008, 03:56 PM	#55 (permalink)
Stratous Newbie Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 6 Stratous's Truck Pics	Gains Its ok to be skeptical, All of my driving has been in town. No highway so far, probably wont be either unless I am towing our camper. So far since my last post, My trip meter reads 589 miles and I still have just under 1/4 tank of deisel left. We do feed both H2 and O into our intake, on a gas powered vehicle gains can be much better since you can control your MAP and O2 sensors. Deisels are a bit more difficult to get those gains because of lack of controlability. If you would like to see different claims of gain goto this web site. HHO Forums - Trying to facilitate the production of HHO for the common folk. - Powered by vBulletin this is just forums and so far, the only people selling stuff are spammers. I for one am not selling anything so have no reason to convince anyone of any thing. Believe me if you want or dont, its no skin off my back. Last edited by Stratous : 06-11-2008 at 04:02 PM.

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Stratous Newbie Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 6 Stratous's Truck Pics	HHO information If your intrested in building your own HHO device then visi these forums. There are alot of people there who have spent alot of time experimenting and maybe able to save you some time. All the information here is free. HHO Forums - Trying to facilitate the production of HHO for the common folk. - Powered by vBulletin Last edited by Stratous : 07-07-2008 at 02:58 PM.

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DBLR Diesel Head Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: North Iowa Posts: 1,244 DBLR's Truck Pics	I think everyone needs to read this post above titled "For you reading enjoyment........" to understand why an HHO set up can not work as well as everyone keeps claiming it can and does! __________________ 2006 Ram 2500 Big Horn Edition Auto 5.9L Mineral Gray Met. Quad Cab SB 4X4 SRW 3.73's

06-09-2008, 03:38 PM	#54 (permalink)
m_mcgranahan Cummins Fan Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 64 m_mcgranahan's Truck Pics	Hi, Hmm, I had thought about this years ago, but it was oxygen richening. I heard that if one increases the o2 concentration from 21% that is in the atmosphere, to 28% there would be a 75% power gain and much better fuel effeciency. Anyone else heard this before? Obviously when you split water you get both o2 and H. Are you guys feeding both gasses into the intake or venting off the o2? Thanks GOd bless.. Mark

07-14-2008, 12:34 AM	#58 (permalink)
totalloser Diesel Freak Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Fort Bragg, CA Posts: 734 totalloser's Truck Pics	Pwr2Tow- You need no education. It makes NO difference where gasses are dumped. The turbocharger does not "heat" the air charge per se. It compresses the air, and through "adiabatic heating" effect, since the same amount of thermal energy is now compressed into a smaller space, it is more hot. The intercooler (actually an "aftercooler" as there is no supercharger) dumps some of this heat so higher flows can be attained. I don't think venturis will work with this setup to inject any gasses post turbo as the necessary venturi restriction required to overcome the stock 21 psi of boost would choke the flow to the point of minimal boost. Won't work. In a carburetor, you are only trying to pull fuel less than 1/4" from atmospheric pressure, so you need very minimal vacuum differential at the venturi. Like 1/25 of one psi approximately. I think you would need a 20 psi differential to work at full boost. Tree Dr. The pilot pulse would make the injection of gasses moot as the pilot pulse serves the same purpose. It precharges the cylinder for less knock. I do not think the vp engines ever came with it, as the cams in the injection pump would need two lobes so close together it would be nearly impossible. This is a demonstration of the broad flexibility of the common rail system to deliver fuel. The earlier common rails, I believe did not have pilot pulse. It was found sort of by accident and then programmed in. But I could have the details mixed up on that one. HHO is a scam from one end to the other. Their claims are DOUBLE the fuel efficiency. I get 19 on a tank pretty regularly, and occasionally hit as high as 20.5. Consider what I am driving when looking at that efficiency number. I went to 35's, 4" exhaust and 100 hp injectors all at once, and my fuel efficiency was 16 AT BEST before. More fuel at lower rpm= better efficiency. It is a tried and proven method of increasing your fuel efficiency. A chip/programmer might be more effective though, as it can also sweep your injection timing. As I have stated from my first encounter of this "HHO" There are gaping holes in their claims, not the least of which is that "HHO" chemically is simply water. Same thing as H2O. Two hydrogens and one oxygen in a chemical (non ionic) bond. Split the "HHO" or H2O into H2 and O2, and the gain in efficiency from a more complete burn MIGHT overcome the energy to create these gasses from electrolysis. But BUT you can make your own generator for cheap. These HHO "Brown's gas" guys are charlatan scammer con artists. I urge you not to give these frauds any money. Personally I think the fuel efficiency gain from an electrolysis machine should be able to overcome the load loss from making the hydrogen. It requires an anode and cathode (graphite pencil lead is good) or a small science kit fuel cell. It also requires distilled water and perhaps an acid or salt catalyst. If you introduce contaminants from not using distilled water, it will allow your hydrogen to bond into worthless more complex chemicals. A reliable on board source of distilled water is your evaporator drain tube from your a/c. It condenses water in a similar fashion to an inside out still. With the condensation on the outside of the radiator vs the inside. This is just an idea, though. __________________ 01 24v 100hp tips, 4"ss BDbrake &steering brace PSCpump 1.5"dom steering tapped box 1.5"ram manual CAD switch dual carters 3.55's LSD, big shaft nv5600/241HD 6 35's inners pulled in (no spacer) Ugly black and thrashed!

07-15-2008, 09:12 PM	#59 (permalink)
Stratous Newbie Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 6 Stratous's Truck Pics	Has anyone tried to build there own yet? If so, how has it helped you? If you want more information than you need...lol. Then visit these forums. Its loaded with a bunch of people smarter than I am that can answer most questions that you have. HHO Forums - Trying to facilitate the production of HHO for the common folk. - Powered by vBulletin We are not selling anything and all the information is completely free, all you do is register just like you did on these boards.

07-24-2008, 06:51 AM	#60 (permalink)
Tree DR Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 111 Tree DR's Truck Pics	I have figued out that the pilot injection doesn't affect the H burn. What also seems necessary is more H than I previously found worked. I have increased my H & O production and have seen as good as 23mpg would have normally been around 17.5mpg. Now I haven't seen consitancy but my cell design is improveing. Hopefull I will have a cell that will be consisant in output by next week and have a better grasp on volume of H/O and mpg gains. __________________ 05 3500 4x4