My Magdrive HHO test Results - Page 2

Oouthere · 12-30-2007, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 2001.5CTD2500

Anybody else have this setup, you guys almost have me convinced on buying one. Overall, how satisfied would you say you are with the system.

I posted this in another thread.......

My '06 3500 4x4 automatic is driven mainly on the highway and gets between 20 to 24 mpg using the computer. I installed a hydrogen cell and ran it a few times now and it is basically worthless for me. The highway mileage shows no change with perhaps 1 to 2 mpg increase in the city.

IMO, don't waste your time.

Also, my truck has perhaps 60% of its miles pulling 14,000lbs (Salem 376 toy hauler) loaded normally and gets about 10.5 mpg in the small hills of Mississippi and Alabama and has gotten 12 mpg running through Louisiana at 65 mph....I love my truck!

Rich

eslfuzzy · 01-02-2008, 09:48 PM

Until today, have only done short trips so I really didn't check my mileage. Today however, I drove the trip back to where I'm working. And the mileage was not so good. I have to tell the whole story so here it goes.

Last night I checked the unit as it was very cold out, it didn't get above 10f yesterday. I found the water in the tank frozen. I had mixed in about a 1 cup of 70% rubbing alcohol in a half gallon of water. most likely way short of what was needed. I thawed out the system with an electric heater and took the tank inside the house to thaw it. I then added about 2 cups of alcohol to the half gallon of water. It had a very strong odor now. I put the tank back into the truck and added a 1/4 tank full of water/alcohol mix to it. The line going into the bottom of the brick was still froze so I kept the heater on it overnight. I also blocked the radiator as it was going below zero over night and so I didn't have the cold air blowing acrossed the unit in the morning during my drive.

This morning I turned the unit on and it was working. I drove 40 miles then checked the unit and found that everything was froze again. So I placed about another cup of alcohol in the water tank and all rest of the alcohol bottle into gallon jug. As I drove the truck outside temp got up to about 15f by the time I stopped to get fuel. The truck got 16.7mpg. The unit still wasn't working and then I tried to drain the condensate tank and refill with fresh water but I found the pump wasnt working. Condensate tank was empty. I figured the pump was burnt up or froze. The electric valve from the tank to the brick was open but no pump. Stopped to eat and hoped that the truck sitting for a bit may help in thawing. After eating. I blew into the tank to force water into the brick and it started to bubble again so I knew it was working. when trying to remove the pump to test if it was froze I broke the nipple off so off to the store I went. After a few more miles I found a store and replaced the pump. When I opened the hood the pump was in two pieces. I must have froze and burnt as the motor still didn't turn by it's self. Oh by the way this is pump number three. With the new pump the unit flowed water but the switch in the condensate tank didn't turn off so it filled it and started to fill the other tank so I disconnected the pump wire. The unit was bubbling so it should have been working. Later I stopped at a rest area a few miles down the road and seen that it was still bubbling. I checked if the switch was working and it was off so I reconnected the pump. the pump did not turn on and the unit was still bubbling so it should have still been working. A few hundred miles later checked again and the unit was still bubbling, so far so good. I had a tail wind on the second tank of fuel and got 17.50mpg. I also had a blanket wrapped around the HHO equipment to keep the wind from blowing on it. I wonder how much alcohol will make it less efficient? I was trying not to put to much in but it cost me more of a head ache by holding back. I will admit though it doesn't have rusy water and gunk that it had the first trip. I should probably do the CLR treatment just to see if there is any improvement. I also need an amp gauge. The test this time seemed inconclusive I think. There was probably more inprovement with the tail wind.

I'm not too sure now???

Fuzz

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tdaman · 01-07-2008, 01:51 AM

I've read that using hydrogen as a fuel in gasoline engines will effectively displace gasoline by over 80% if the injectors are properly derated and the ignition timing set to fire as close TDC as possible. Essentially, the gasoline and possibly diesel now serves as more of a pilot fuel. Apparently, this is when you will see substantial mpg gains! We know that diesel engines ignite at TDC and hydrogen loves high compression ratios and turbos. Hmmmm...! I'm very curious what kind of mileage gains we might see using one of the Smarty, Edge or other modules to derate the fuel using the mpg setting along with the Magdrive.

tdaman · 01-07-2008, 01:56 AM

I've read that using hydrogen as a fuel in gasoline engines will effectively displace gasoline by over 80% if the injectors are properly derated and the ignition timing set to fire as close to TDC as possible. Essentially, the gasoline and possibly diesel now serves as more of a pilot fuel. Apparently, this is when you will see substantial mpg gains! We know that diesel engines ignite at TDC and hydrogen loves high compression ratios and turbos. Hmmmm...! I'm very curious what kind of mileage gains we might see using one of the Smarty, Edge or other modules to derate the fuel using the mpg setting along with the Magdrive or an even higher capacity hydrogen cell.

eslfuzzy · 01-07-2008, 07:21 AM

I have an Edge. It gets seems to get better milage on the high setting but I might try that. Unfortunantly I'm back to work so I use the conpany truck. Maybe I should put the unit on the company truck, as it only gets around 12mpg.

I can see that the added size of a hydrogen cell may be the ticket but the more you spend the less likely you will get the payback for sometime.

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2006 Ram 2500, SB, 4X4, Auto, Edge, 5" home made air tube, Magdrive HHO, stock exhaust.

EXILE · 01-07-2008, 10:52 AM

where do you buy this at and how do you hook it up im new to this

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sick1 · 01-07-2008, 03:24 PM

Look's like crap to me, I was really hoping it was going to work but it doesn't look to good.

pblankenship · 01-16-2008, 10:10 AM

If it works in my Kenworth W900 then it will work in my pickup. Chose to do the big rig first as that is what is racking up the 3000 dollar fuel bills. I will posts results when I get them. I am having a venturi built down in AK right now and as soon as that is done I will have NW Hybrids put the thing on (that way I have a warranty).

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2001 Cummins with AEM Intake, BD pusher pump, Edge J/A and Smarty stacked, FBD VP44, Jake Brake, HTT hx35/40 hybrid, Coaltrain 5 in. Exhaust, Coaltrain 100 hp sticks, RevTec leveler, Nitto's, Valair 500hp Clutch, Bully Dog Fluid Damper, Firestone Air Ride...

pblankenship · 01-16-2008, 10:11 AM

Oh, just so everyone knows, if you install this thing before the turbo you are killing it's efficiency. It needs to be post intercooler to work best.

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canadiancarguy · 01-16-2008, 08:55 PM

Where can you get a venturi that is boost line sized? And how will it not blow boost through it to blow the h2 and o2 back into the tank?

deerefanatic · 01-17-2008, 05:29 AM

Well, a true venturi will not allow that to happen...... It has to do with Bernoilli's law (I think it's that one) that when air flows through a restriction, the velocity (speed of flow) goes up (makes sense, right?) and then the pressure goes down...... (Doesn't make sense..) That's the same principal that makes carbs work, even on turbo charged or supercharged engines....... It still sucks gas into the engine, not blow it back to tank.

pwr2tow · 01-17-2008, 08:36 AM

Some one educate me on why it would be less efficent before the air filter than after the air filter.

If X amount of air is being sucked into the engine and X amount of hydrogen is in it how can it change no matter where the X amount of hydrogen is entered. I mean the hydrogen doesn't disipatate out somewhere, how can it.

The only way you would gain more hydrogen would be to force inject it under pressure. These hydrogen producing machines are not + pressure units. Rather static pressure that bleeds off into the air stream.

Maybe I'am missing something, educate me.

01-02-2008, 09:48 PM	#14 (permalink)
eslfuzzy Newbie Join Date: May 2007 Location: Nebraska Posts: 13 eslfuzzy's Truck Pics	Heres an update Until today, have only done short trips so I really didn't check my mileage. Today however, I drove the trip back to where I'm working. And the mileage was not so good. I have to tell the whole story so here it goes. Last night I checked the unit as it was very cold out, it didn't get above 10f yesterday. I found the water in the tank frozen. I had mixed in about a 1 cup of 70% rubbing alcohol in a half gallon of water. most likely way short of what was needed. I thawed out the system with an electric heater and took the tank inside the house to thaw it. I then added about 2 cups of alcohol to the half gallon of water. It had a very strong odor now. I put the tank back into the truck and added a 1/4 tank full of water/alcohol mix to it. The line going into the bottom of the brick was still froze so I kept the heater on it overnight. I also blocked the radiator as it was going below zero over night and so I didn't have the cold air blowing acrossed the unit in the morning during my drive. This morning I turned the unit on and it was working. I drove 40 miles then checked the unit and found that everything was froze again. So I placed about another cup of alcohol in the water tank and all rest of the alcohol bottle into gallon jug. As I drove the truck outside temp got up to about 15f by the time I stopped to get fuel. The truck got 16.7mpg. The unit still wasn't working and then I tried to drain the condensate tank and refill with fresh water but I found the pump wasnt working. Condensate tank was empty. I figured the pump was burnt up or froze. The electric valve from the tank to the brick was open but no pump. Stopped to eat and hoped that the truck sitting for a bit may help in thawing. After eating. I blew into the tank to force water into the brick and it started to bubble again so I knew it was working. when trying to remove the pump to test if it was froze I broke the nipple off so off to the store I went. After a few more miles I found a store and replaced the pump. When I opened the hood the pump was in two pieces. I must have froze and burnt as the motor still didn't turn by it's self. Oh by the way this is pump number three. With the new pump the unit flowed water but the switch in the condensate tank didn't turn off so it filled it and started to fill the other tank so I disconnected the pump wire. The unit was bubbling so it should have been working. Later I stopped at a rest area a few miles down the road and seen that it was still bubbling. I checked if the switch was working and it was off so I reconnected the pump. the pump did not turn on and the unit was still bubbling so it should have still been working. A few hundred miles later checked again and the unit was still bubbling, so far so good. I had a tail wind on the second tank of fuel and got 17.50mpg. I also had a blanket wrapped around the HHO equipment to keep the wind from blowing on it. I wonder how much alcohol will make it less efficient? I was trying not to put to much in but it cost me more of a head ache by holding back. I will admit though it doesn't have rusy water and gunk that it had the first trip. I should probably do the CLR treatment just to see if there is any improvement. I also need an amp gauge. The test this time seemed inconclusive I think. There was probably more inprovement with the tail wind. I'm not too sure now??? Fuzz __________________ 2006 Ram 2500, SB, 4X4, Auto, Edge, 5" home made air tube, Magdrive HHO, stock exhaust.

01-07-2008, 01:51 AM	#15 (permalink)
tdaman Newbie Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2 tdaman's Truck Pics	Hydrogen: Derate the Injector Output for substantial mpg... I've read that using hydrogen as a fuel in gasoline engines will effectively displace gasoline by over 80% if the injectors are properly derated and the ignition timing set to fire as close TDC as possible. Essentially, the gasoline and possibly diesel now serves as more of a pilot fuel. Apparently, this is when you will see substantial mpg gains! We know that diesel engines ignite at TDC and hydrogen loves high compression ratios and turbos. Hmmmm...! I'm very curious what kind of mileage gains we might see using one of the Smarty, Edge or other modules to derate the fuel using the mpg setting along with the Magdrive.

01-07-2008, 01:56 AM	#16 (permalink)
tdaman Newbie Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2 tdaman's Truck Pics	Hydrogen: Derate the Injector Output for substantial mpg... I've read that using hydrogen as a fuel in gasoline engines will effectively displace gasoline by over 80% if the injectors are properly derated and the ignition timing set to fire as close to TDC as possible. Essentially, the gasoline and possibly diesel now serves as more of a pilot fuel. Apparently, this is when you will see substantial mpg gains! We know that diesel engines ignite at TDC and hydrogen loves high compression ratios and turbos. Hmmmm...! I'm very curious what kind of mileage gains we might see using one of the Smarty, Edge or other modules to derate the fuel using the mpg setting along with the Magdrive or an even higher capacity hydrogen cell.

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01-07-2008, 07:21 AM	#17 (permalink)
eslfuzzy Newbie Join Date: May 2007 Location: Nebraska Posts: 13 eslfuzzy's Truck Pics	I have an Edge. It gets seems to get better milage on the high setting but I might try that. Unfortunantly I'm back to work so I use the conpany truck. Maybe I should put the unit on the company truck, as it only gets around 12mpg. I can see that the added size of a hydrogen cell may be the ticket but the more you spend the less likely you will get the payback for sometime. __________________ 2006 Ram 2500, SB, 4X4, Auto, Edge, 5" home made air tube, Magdrive HHO, stock exhaust.

01-07-2008, 10:52 AM	#18 (permalink)
EXILE Cummins Fan Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: texarkana,ar Posts: 69 EXILE's Truck Pics	where do you buy this at and how do you hook it up im new to this __________________ 2004 quad cab short bed www.fquick.com/EXILE WWW.4STATESRACING.COM

01-07-2008, 03:24 PM	#19 (permalink)
sick1 Newbie Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 19 sick1's Truck Pics	Look's like crap to me, I was really hoping it was going to work but it doesn't look to good.

01-16-2008, 10:10 AM	#20 (permalink)
pblankenship Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Washtucna WA, a small farm town in eastern Washington Posts: 186 pblankenship's Truck Pics	If it works in my Kenworth W900 then it will work in my pickup. Chose to do the big rig first as that is what is racking up the 3000 dollar fuel bills. I will posts results when I get them. I am having a venturi built down in AK right now and as soon as that is done I will have NW Hybrids put the thing on (that way I have a warranty). __________________ 2001 Cummins with AEM Intake, BD pusher pump, Edge J/A and Smarty stacked, FBD VP44, Jake Brake, HTT hx35/40 hybrid, Coaltrain 5 in. Exhaust, Coaltrain 100 hp sticks, RevTec leveler, Nitto's, Valair 500hp Clutch, Bully Dog Fluid Damper, Firestone Air Ride...

01-16-2008, 10:11 AM	#21 (permalink)
pblankenship Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Washtucna WA, a small farm town in eastern Washington Posts: 186 pblankenship's Truck Pics	Oh, just so everyone knows, if you install this thing before the turbo you are killing it's efficiency. It needs to be post intercooler to work best. __________________ 2001 Cummins with AEM Intake, BD pusher pump, Edge J/A and Smarty stacked, FBD VP44, Jake Brake, HTT hx35/40 hybrid, Coaltrain 5 in. Exhaust, Coaltrain 100 hp sticks, RevTec leveler, Nitto's, Valair 500hp Clutch, Bully Dog Fluid Damper, Firestone Air Ride...

01-16-2008, 08:55 PM	#22 (permalink)
canadiancarguy Cummins Fan Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 66 canadiancarguy's Truck Pics	Where can you get a venturi that is boost line sized? And how will it not blow boost through it to blow the h2 and o2 back into the tank?

01-17-2008, 05:29 AM	#23 (permalink)
deerefanatic Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Ladysmith, WI Posts: 158 deerefanatic's Truck Pics	Well, a true venturi will not allow that to happen...... It has to do with Bernoilli's law (I think it's that one) that when air flows through a restriction, the velocity (speed of flow) goes up (makes sense, right?) and then the pressure goes down...... (Doesn't make sense..) That's the same principal that makes carbs work, even on turbo charged or supercharged engines....... It still sucks gas into the engine, not blow it back to tank.

01-17-2008, 08:36 AM	#24 (permalink)
pwr2tow Cummins Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 288 pwr2tow's Truck Pics	Some one educate me on why it would be less efficent before the air filter than after the air filter. If X amount of air is being sucked into the engine and X amount of hydrogen is in it how can it change no matter where the X amount of hydrogen is entered. I mean the hydrogen doesn't disipatate out somewhere, how can it. The only way you would gain more hydrogen would be to force inject it under pressure. These hydrogen producing machines are not + pressure units. Rather static pressure that bleeds off into the air stream. Maybe I'am missing something, educate me.