Who else is using Propane?

[gstanfield]

Oh and Tex, as far as 3rd gen trucks goes I see no issue.

George

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[Tec]

Originally Posted by gstanfield

So far nobody has ever blew one up, plus if you tap the pressure side of your intake then you're going to have to run more propane pressure than boost pressure or else it will just blow backward and no propane will ever enter your engine.

Think about it, 1.5psi of propane trying to force itself into a intake with 5psi running steady or 35psi going up a hill??

Feel free to not use propane, it's not for everyone that's for sure.

George

Dude, what are you talking about?

Propane or N20 is going to be injected into the engine the same way. You think 2 psi is not going to get sucked into the motor? 35 psi would suck you girlfriend into the motor if you stuck her head in there

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[Al B]

Nicely said.

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[Tec]

No way!

I don't belive that 1.5 -5 psi of propane would not get sucked into the intake track from the manifold because of the boost pressure. Sorry!

There is no way I'd run any other power adder threw the turbo, thats Nuts!

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[gstanfield]

Explain to me how PRESSURE is going to SUCK anything. You obviously don't have a clue as to what you are talking about, which is OK, just don't go talking to people like they are stupid based off your gross ignorance.

If you would either do a little reading up on basic physics or just research other peoples hard work of experimenting then you might be able to understand. Otherwise I really couldn't care less what you think about it. If it's not for you then fine. You obviously do not have enough understanding of how these engines work in order to tell other people what they should or shouldn't do. Of course that's just my opinion.

BTW, Nitrous is injected into the engine at 600psi and higher so it easily overcomes the intake presures.

George

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[gstanfield]

Some informative reading for you

http://http://www.fireemup.com/html/

Dodge Installation Instructions - Diesel Performance Products

Bully Dog Propane Kit 80 hp (adjustable)

If you'll notice the professional kits sold out there and backed with gaurentees install the same exact way.

George

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[beads159]

I ran propane on my 93. I loved it. Ran cooler, more hp. I made my own setup. Very easy to do and cheap. Here are some links. I used a propane tank off of an old farm truck that burned propane (saddle mount) about 40 lbs. One piece of advise. If you perm. mount the tank or tell the propane guy what you are doing with it you may be charged highway tax for the fuel. Here are some links.

TheDieselStop.Com - www.thedieselstop.com

Diesel Injection

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[kwkbrdr1]

i read how sct installed their kit into a powerstroke, and they tapped the hole for the propane inlet into the mass air sensor bracket. this means it goes through the WHOLE intake system to get into the cylinder. i figured if that works, then my home built system will be completely safe as long as i check for leaks. here is how i did it, i have 500 miles on the system so far, probably about 200 running the propane without problems. i used a 20lb cylinder used for a regular bbq pit. i found a regulator from a site called tejassmokers.com. i got the 0-20 regulator with 20 ft. of hose, and i needed almost all of it. i found a shut off valve from a site called propane-generators.com. i found than link through another post. i found a 4by8 sheet of 14 ga. steel at a warehouse a few miles from my house for 70 bucks, the valve was 25, and the regulator with hose was 75. i found the needed brass couplings from a few of the plumbing supply shops around town, and was able to put a 1/4 inch nipple fitting from the regulator to the valve, and then got a coupler to get the valve to the hose. the valve needs 12 volts to open, so i ran a wire from my battery to a 15amp fuse to a grounded switch, then back to the box, and i used another ground to my bed to ground the actual valve. then i ran the hose out of the box i built to hold the tank, through some blue flexible electrical conduit, out of the front of my bed, along the drivers side framerail, then up into the engine bay to the intake. i drilled the hole to tap into the intake with a 25/64 bit right into the center of the casting plug that is FARTHER away from the engine so the propane would have time to mix. i found a 1/4inch to 3/8 adapter that i screwed into the intake, and screwed the hose to the 3/8 side of the fitting. overall cost was around 175, but i still have half a sheet of 14 ga that im sure i'll get a lot more use out of, so i'd say around 140, not including the tank. i have mine set at 4 psi right now. the switch has a red light that is on whenever the propane is armed, and i never use it under 45-50, i basically just have it on there to help me on the highway, and so far it definetely has. i filled my truck up by my house, took a 120 mile trip all hwy, to the mile, back to the same pump at the gas station, and i only put in 3.2 gallons, which means i seriously got 37.5 mpg at 65 pretty much the whole way!!! these are just preliminary numbers, so don't go all crazy, i am going to kansas in a few weeks, so i'll really be able to see what its doin, but i was getting right at 30 before this, so im seeing at least a 5 mpg gain. i've got a 03 reg cab, 2wd long bed, with the 305 motor, with s and b intake, quad xzt, wastgate blocked off, and no muffler. i have put less than 600 into this truck, and haven't spent a single minute of my life in a mechanics, or college class, and i can accomplish this, why can't the well schooled engineers from the auto comanies do something like this. not too mention i'm only scratching the surface, i said on another post that i wanted 40 mpg, well i'm setting my sights at 50 when all is said and done on this truck.

[Tec]

Thanks for the links George, I still think there is a better way of injecting propane into the intake track than having propane pulled threw turbo, IC and all the boost pipes.

Lets say I mounted a Dry N20 fogger with no Jet! It's already 1 3/4 inside of the intake manifold or a boost pipe after the IC, the propane would be injected out of the hole in the fogger with 35 psi of boost at it's back pushing it into the engine.

This hole diesel thing is evolving, there is alot to learn and alot will change. we are still playing with piggyback's and downloaders, rom tunes and chips, this stuff is so 1995 IMO

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[gstanfield]

Sorry if I came across as a jerk Tec. It was a bad day I had going and now I look bad and it looks a little rough of me. I didn't mean for it to be that way.

FWIW, I thought the same thing as you the first time I looked into it, but then got to thinking and researching about it and found out it's the only way to make it work. I had thought that if you ran a tiny orfice you could increase the pressure without having excessive volume, but more research concluded that would not work without some kind of high pressure pump. Trust me, I've looked at this, the physics involved and if you intend to run propane there really isn't another way to make it work without a lot of complex parts involved.

Then again, feel free to be the one to design, test and market a new system. I'll be watching for the results.

George

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[syndicate]

With the DIY style setup running a pre turbo fogging setup at approx 1-2 psi is there a need for a regulator/converter to make sure you dont have liquid propane comming out the end of the hose? Does anyone know where to get a mounting bracket for a 20LB BBq tank?

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[Tec]

Originally Posted by gstanfield

Sorry if I came across as a jerk Tec. It was a bad day I had going and now I look bad and it looks a little rough of me. I didn't mean for it to be that way.

FWIW, I thought the same thing as you the first time I looked into it, but then got to thinking and researching about it and found out it's the only way to make it work. I had thought that if you ran a tiny orfice you could increase the pressure without having excessive volume, but more research concluded that would not work without some kind of high pressure pump. Trust me, I've looked at this, the physics involved and if you intend to run propane there really isn't another way to make it work without a lot of complex parts involved.

Then again, feel free to be the one to design, test and market a new system. I'll be watching for the results.

George

I hear ya George, No problem bro!

I haven't had a chance to do anything yet, but soon I'm going to test out some different setup's.

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