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DNRCUSTOMS · 11-15-2007, 04:17 PM

MagDrive Fuel From H2O - HHO Generators

Have any of you guys ever heard of this. It looks real promising but I am having a hard time finding testimonials on diesels. I talked to one guy that said it was instalelled on a 12 Valve that was getting 21 mpg before the install and about 35 mpg after. IS this technology too good to be true guys, or is the goverment keeping it under wraps??

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92 4X4 cummins 4" lift, 47rh trans, custom flip shacles in the rear, ,

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bahrfly · 11-15-2007, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DNRCUSTOMS

MagDrive Fuel From H2O - HHO Generators

Have any of you guys ever heard of this. It looks real promising but I am having a hard time finding testimonials on diesels. I talked to one guy that said it was instalelled on a 12 Valve that was getting 21 mpg before the install and about 35 mpg after. IS this technology too good to be true guys, or is the goverment keeping it under wraps??

Interesting I would be interested also???

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bbraden · 11-15-2007, 04:51 PM

First off- I have never used one of these but I have done a little bit of research on em... SO- my theories have little to no evidence but I throw em out there anyways cause hey, they're just theories. Anyways, I would venture to say that whatever they say they can get with a gasoline, you're only gonna see about half those benefits in a diesel. If in fact these things do work and made (say 30% better fuel economy) I'd be suprised to see 15% in a diesel. My reasoning is: this hydrogen is mixed into the air stream of the engine at a certain rate (I'm betting that the Hydrogen processor can only make a set amount (or lower) but you won't be able to get a "diesel version" with higher output. Now, think about the air to fuel mixture of a gasoline compared to a diesel. A turbo diesel pumps in a LOT more air than a regular gasoline does. If you have the same volume of hydrogen put in a lot larger air volume, you're not gonna see as much improvement in fuel economy, power, etc. That's my theory, feel free to add or subtract to it. :thumbsup Maybe if you could get a "high output diesel version" then it might work better... but if they made that, then I'm sure they could probably make a gasoline run off of it solely... but then we'd have a hydrogen internal combustion engine wouldn't we? Even at that point though, I bet it would tax your electrical system so heavily that you would eventually lose your benefits over your costs.

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'07 5.9 G56 4x4 qc 3.73's 1 ton SRW, BHAF and gutted intake, almost straight piped.. CM skirted flatbed

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DNRCUSTOMS · 11-15-2007, 04:55 PM

Well, a friend of mine said they put it on a School Bus and went from 4mpg to 13mpg. I have a call in to inquire about more info for the diesels

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92 4X4 cummins 4" lift, 47rh trans, custom flip shacles in the rear, ,

Shibbyutman · 11-15-2007, 04:55 PM

There was one of these put on an old Benz diesel and somebody brought it up in the Mercedesshop.com forum I am a member at. It was listed on ebay, if you search through the completed listings you might be able to find it. I think they were boasting 61mpg or something crazy.

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, FASS 150/150, and big line kit.

bbraden · 11-15-2007, 04:56 PM

Where I could see something like this really shine is in emissions. Imagine having a small one of these to clean up your emissions instead of those pesky DPF's. Now we're thinkin...

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'99 dodge 4x4 5 speed quite a few mods. north of 400 hp
'07 5.9 G56 4x4 qc 3.73's 1 ton SRW, BHAF and gutted intake, almost straight piped.. CM skirted flatbed

bbraden · 11-15-2007, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shibbyutman

There was one of these put on an old Benz diesel and somebody brought it up in the Mercedesshop.com forum I am a member at. It was listed on ebay, if you search through the completed listings you might be able to find it. I think they were boasting 61mpg or something crazy.

lol those things already made like 45 mpg though. Even though, that's like 30% better. Granted, they're naturally aspirated which sort of proves my point of not being so useful on a larger displacement turbo diesel. I just don't think it'll be able to make the volume to really see a BIG difference on our turbocharged 5.9L's and even worse on the 6.7's. I'd like to see it though! I'm all for it if it works.

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'99 dodge 4x4 5 speed quite a few mods. north of 400 hp
'07 5.9 G56 4x4 qc 3.73's 1 ton SRW, BHAF and gutted intake, almost straight piped.. CM skirted flatbed

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DNRCUSTOMS · 11-15-2007, 05:02 PM

Well, I will get one once I get some more info, I talked to one shop thay puts them into the air filter intake tube, but they are going to put it into the intake to the motor. So I still think it is pretty experimental. sounds fun

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92 4X4 cummins 4" lift, 47rh trans, custom flip shacles in the rear, ,

WorkhorseDiesel · 11-15-2007, 05:02 PM

Sounds REALLY interesting, BUT, it calls for introduction of hydrogen into the air intake. I would think that the grid heater located at the mouth of the intake would provide for some really interesting fireworks in colder temps. Not sure if I'm following this right, but I do think that you can only introduce the hydrogen into the air intake BEFORE the grid heaters on our trucks. Please let me know if this is incorrect. Other than that, I don't see anything really wrong with their design. I've seen others that were not nearly as thought out.

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bbraden · 11-15-2007, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DNRCUSTOMS

Well, I will get one once I get some more info, I talked to one shop thay puts them into the air filter intake tube, but they are going to put it into the intake to the motor. So I still think it is pretty experimental. sounds fun

yeah, if you get it installed, I'd do it directly into the intake. Think about having highly flammable hydrogen coursing through your intercooler all day long... kinda a scary thought.

And then there's gonna be a little leakout of it once you shut everything down and that's all gonna wind up coming out of your intake/filter and into your engine compartment... I know my turbo housing gets pretty dang hot... BUT if or when you get this installed let us know!! Keep us updated. PM me cause I've been interested in it for a long time! Maybe we could reverse engineer it too... :thumbsup

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'99 dodge 4x4 5 speed quite a few mods. north of 400 hp
'07 5.9 G56 4x4 qc 3.73's 1 ton SRW, BHAF and gutted intake, almost straight piped.. CM skirted flatbed

bbraden · 11-15-2007, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WorkhorseDiesel

Sounds REALLY interesting, BUT, it calls for introduction of hydrogen into the air intake. I would think that the grid heater located at the mouth of the intake would provide for some really interesting fireworks in colder temps. Not sure if I'm following this right, but I do think that you can only introduce the hydrogen into the air intake BEFORE the grid heaters on our trucks. Please let me know if this is incorrect. Other than that, I don't see anything really wrong with their design. I've seen others that were not nearly as thought out.

ooh forgot about the grid heaters.... yikes! It might have to have some kind of safety switch on it to keep the hydrogen from coming on till the grid heaters turn off permanently.

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'99 dodge 4x4 5 speed quite a few mods. north of 400 hp
'07 5.9 G56 4x4 qc 3.73's 1 ton SRW, BHAF and gutted intake, almost straight piped.. CM skirted flatbed

bbraden · 11-15-2007, 05:16 PM

Important facts to remember using HHO Hybrid

You do not need to make any major alterations to your vehicle.
All late model vehicles are already computer controlled.
Your vehicle computer will make all of the fuel/air adjustments automatically.
You must turn the unit off when not running your vehicle.
You must manually check the fluid level in the HHO gen reserve tank every few hundred miles.
For cold weather climates use a fibre-glass foil backed pipe insulation wrap. [Not Included]
All models come with a liquid/gas flash back safety valve.

straight off their website... it kinda implies that it needs an electronically controlled engine... wonder how that works with the old mechanical diesels?

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'99 dodge 4x4 5 speed quite a few mods. north of 400 hp
'07 5.9 G56 4x4 qc 3.73's 1 ton SRW, BHAF and gutted intake, almost straight piped.. CM skirted flatbed

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11-15-2007, 04:17 PM	#1 (permalink)
DNRCUSTOMS MXer Turned Diesel Nut Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Richmond Mi Posts: 407 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post DNRCUSTOMS's Truck Pics	Check this out MAJOR MPG GAINS MagDrive Fuel From H2O - HHO Generators Have any of you guys ever heard of this. It looks real promising but I am having a hard time finding testimonials on diesels. I talked to one guy that said it was instalelled on a 12 Valve that was getting 21 mpg before the install and about 35 mpg after. IS this technology too good to be true guys, or is the goverment keeping it under wraps?? __________________ 2006 3500 Mega Cab, S&B intake, Tripple guage cluster, Line X, Skyjacker 2.5 lift, 5100 shocks, Aero Turbine 5" turbo back, bully dog , 305 Mckys on 20" moto metal's, EMS off road Free Spin Kit, Mag Hytec Diff cover, Amsoil Sythetic , Bushwacker fender flares, Custom mud flaps, 92 4X4 cummins 4" lift, 47rh trans, custom flip shacles in the rear, , Last edited by DNRCUSTOMS : 11-15-2007 at 04:40 PM.

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11-15-2007, 04:51 PM	#3 (permalink)
bbraden Diesel Head Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 1,516 Thanks: 1 Thanked 9 Times in 5 Posts bbraden's Truck Pics	First off- I have never used one of these but I have done a little bit of research on em... SO- my theories have little to no evidence but I throw em out there anyways cause hey, they're just theories. Anyways, I would venture to say that whatever they say they can get with a gasoline, you're only gonna see about half those benefits in a diesel. If in fact these things do work and made (say 30% better fuel economy) I'd be suprised to see 15% in a diesel. My reasoning is: this hydrogen is mixed into the air stream of the engine at a certain rate (I'm betting that the Hydrogen processor can only make a set amount (or lower) but you won't be able to get a "diesel version" with higher output. Now, think about the air to fuel mixture of a gasoline compared to a diesel. A turbo diesel pumps in a LOT more air than a regular gasoline does. If you have the same volume of hydrogen put in a lot larger air volume, you're not gonna see as much improvement in fuel economy, power, etc. That's my theory, feel free to add or subtract to it. :thumbsup Maybe if you could get a "high output diesel version" then it might work better... but if they made that, then I'm sure they could probably make a gasoline run off of it solely... but then we'd have a hydrogen internal combustion engine wouldn't we? Even at that point though, I bet it would tax your electrical system so heavily that you would eventually lose your benefits over your costs. __________________ '99 dodge 4x4 5 speed quite a few mods. north of 400 hp '07 5.9 G56 4x4 qc 3.73's 1 ton SRW, BHAF and gutted intake, almost straight piped.. CM skirted flatbed Last edited by bbraden : 11-15-2007 at 04:54 PM.

11-15-2007, 04:55 PM	#4 (permalink)
DNRCUSTOMS MXer Turned Diesel Nut Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Richmond Mi Posts: 407 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post DNRCUSTOMS's Truck Pics	Well, a friend of mine said they put it on a School Bus and went from 4mpg to 13mpg. I have a call in to inquire about more info for the diesels __________________ 2006 3500 Mega Cab, S&B intake, Tripple guage cluster, Line X, Skyjacker 2.5 lift, 5100 shocks, Aero Turbine 5" turbo back, bully dog , 305 Mckys on 20" moto metal's, EMS off road Free Spin Kit, Mag Hytec Diff cover, Amsoil Sythetic , Bushwacker fender flares, Custom mud flaps, 92 4X4 cummins 4" lift, 47rh trans, custom flip shacles in the rear, ,

11-15-2007, 04:55 PM	#5 (permalink)
Shibbyutman Diesel Head Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Superior Township, Michigan Posts: 3,950 Thanks: 0 Thanked 147 Times in 103 Posts Shibbyutman's Truck Pics	There was one of these put on an old Benz diesel and somebody brought it up in the Mercedesshop.com forum I am a member at. It was listed on ebay, if you search through the completed listings you might be able to find it. I think they were boasting 61mpg or something crazy. __________________ 2003 Dodge Ram 2500 4X4, PDR Cobra Stage 2 Twins, BD Power 90's, Studs, Springs, Autometers, Dual 7" Black Stacks/rain caps, Banks intercooler, Goerend Full Built Trans, Smarty set to Kill, MP-8, Full DIY CP3 Mod, Rail capped , FASS 150/150, and big line kit.

11-15-2007, 04:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
bbraden Diesel Head Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 1,516 Thanks: 1 Thanked 9 Times in 5 Posts bbraden's Truck Pics	Where I could see something like this really shine is in emissions. Imagine having a small one of these to clean up your emissions instead of those pesky DPF's. Now we're thinkin... __________________ '99 dodge 4x4 5 speed quite a few mods. north of 400 hp '07 5.9 G56 4x4 qc 3.73's 1 ton SRW, BHAF and gutted intake, almost straight piped.. CM skirted flatbed

11-15-2007, 05:02 PM	#8 (permalink)
DNRCUSTOMS MXer Turned Diesel Nut Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Richmond Mi Posts: 407 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post DNRCUSTOMS's Truck Pics	Well, I will get one once I get some more info, I talked to one shop thay puts them into the air filter intake tube, but they are going to put it into the intake to the motor. So I still think it is pretty experimental. sounds fun __________________ 2006 3500 Mega Cab, S&B intake, Tripple guage cluster, Line X, Skyjacker 2.5 lift, 5100 shocks, Aero Turbine 5" turbo back, bully dog , 305 Mckys on 20" moto metal's, EMS off road Free Spin Kit, Mag Hytec Diff cover, Amsoil Sythetic , Bushwacker fender flares, Custom mud flaps, 92 4X4 cummins 4" lift, 47rh trans, custom flip shacles in the rear, ,

11-15-2007, 05:02 PM	#9 (permalink)
WorkhorseDiesel Tech Specialist Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Southwest, TX Posts: 771 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts WorkhorseDiesel's Truck Pics	Sounds REALLY interesting, BUT, it calls for introduction of hydrogen into the air intake. I would think that the grid heater located at the mouth of the intake would provide for some really interesting fireworks in colder temps. Not sure if I'm following this right, but I do think that you can only introduce the hydrogen into the air intake BEFORE the grid heaters on our trucks. Please let me know if this is incorrect. Other than that, I don't see anything really wrong with their design. I've seen others that were not nearly as thought out. __________________ 2001.5 White 2500 Reg-cab • 4x4 • NV4500 • 4.10 • BHAF • WALBRO GSL392 • Edge Juice + Attitude • VALAIR HD OFE • Scangauge II • 315 Cooper S/T's • Optimas • custom black grille & blue graphics • Diesel Fuel Treatment is here

11-15-2007, 05:16 PM	#12 (permalink)
bbraden Diesel Head Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 1,516 Thanks: 1 Thanked 9 Times in 5 Posts bbraden's Truck Pics	Important facts to remember using HHO Hybrid You do not need to make any major alterations to your vehicle. All late model vehicles are already computer controlled. Your vehicle computer will make all of the fuel/air adjustments automatically. You must turn the unit off when not running your vehicle. You must manually check the fluid level in the HHO gen reserve tank every few hundred miles. For cold weather climates use a fibre-glass foil backed pipe insulation wrap. [Not Included] All models come with a liquid/gas flash back safety valve. straight off their website... it kinda implies that it needs an electronically controlled engine... wonder how that works with the old mechanical diesels? __________________ '99 dodge 4x4 5 speed quite a few mods. north of 400 hp '07 5.9 G56 4x4 qc 3.73's 1 ton SRW, BHAF and gutted intake, almost straight piped.. CM skirted flatbed Last edited by bbraden : 11-15-2007 at 05:18 PM.