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6.7 in 361 · 11-20-2007, 01:42 AM

So this setup from HHO is working out fairly well for everyone whos running it? looks like im gonna have to look into maybe purchasing this as well as the scan gauge II. I bet you could save a lot on fuel with the two together.

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amero · 11-20-2007, 03:37 AM

never seen this before

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bbraden · 11-20-2007, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 6.7 in 361

So this setup from HHO is working out fairly well for everyone whos running it? looks like im gonna have to look into maybe purchasing this as well as the scan gauge II. I bet you could save a lot on fuel with the two together.

aaah I ordered my scan gauge already, I'm so ready to put it in! It just came into my apartment at Lubbock and I'm at home 3 hours away farming!!

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'99 dodge 4x4 5 speed quite a few mods. north of 400 hp
'07 5.9 G56 4x4 qc 3.73's 1 ton SRW, BHAF and gutted intake, almost straight piped.. CM skirted flatbed

DNRCUSTOMS · 11-21-2007, 01:58 PM

Ok, I talked to another rep and he said they are piping it right into the intake. So, I did a little research to find out what the "AUTOIGNITION" point iof Hydrogen is and it comes up to 538 C. Which is like 1000 degrees. Also, this is in a 100 percent state, I wouldn't imagine the amount of hydrogen to oxygen or air in the intake would even exceed 5%. So, I am guessing the grid heater does not get that hot to affect the gas. But if the unit is kept on a toggle switch, You can turn it on after the vehicle is running and shut it down a min or so before you shut down the vehicle to ensure the gasses are stagnent in the air stream.. Make sense. I also found out that MagDrive Fuel From H2O - HHO Generators this guy is no longer dealing with the public, you must contact your nearest distributer. He also said he did one on a 7.3 stroker and was getting 20 before and 35 after?? Also, they he said they have no issues with keeping the brick cool anymore and they were geiiting like a 1000 or more miles before having to refill on the stroker. So, I guess I better order one up. I would like to know what ever came about on the other disscussion over a year ago?

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92 4X4 cummins 4" lift, 47rh trans, custom flip shacles in the rear, ,

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bbraden · 11-21-2007, 07:25 PM

I think the discussion a year ago wound up about the same as most discussions over time... everybody forgets to get back on and reply... lol I know there's a distributor in Houston, I emailed him the other day.

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'99 dodge 4x4 5 speed quite a few mods. north of 400 hp
'07 5.9 G56 4x4 qc 3.73's 1 ton SRW, BHAF and gutted intake, almost straight piped.. CM skirted flatbed

MOPAR MAN · 11-21-2007, 07:27 PM

I am still wondering who is going to be the first one to try it out and let us know your results.

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bbraden · 11-21-2007, 07:32 PM

Dodgerep said he went from 19 to 31... that's pretty significant. At 3.30 per gallon, savings will add up pretty quickly.

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'99 dodge 4x4 5 speed quite a few mods. north of 400 hp
'07 5.9 G56 4x4 qc 3.73's 1 ton SRW, BHAF and gutted intake, almost straight piped.. CM skirted flatbed

pblankenship · 11-21-2007, 09:18 PM

OK, I talked to two different distributors. The system does have incredible effects on mpg. The testimonial that everyone may have found on the website has actually been improved from 34 mpg to 37 mpg, and that 37 was before the new super gens came out, so there is a chance that this guy (with a CTD) is going to get right around 40 mpg, reason being is that the new generators are producing more hydrogen then the older gens.

The bad news is that all of the hydrogen systems have trouble introducing the gas in a pressurized system. They have created venturis that can take in the gas up to about 12 psi of boost, but above that and the system does not take in the gas. They are doing some R&D to see if they can get a venturi setup to allow around 18 psi of boost.

This does create a problem, but only for performance. For efficiency I don't think that there will be a problem as most engines are not running more then 12 psi of boost just driving down the road.

My thought is that if there is a problem with injecting the hydrogen when the system is pressurized, then at that point, when it reaches higher pressure, have a system that introduces the gas before the turbo. Only for when it was at high boost, that way you could see the performance benefit of the gas at higher pressures.

Just some thoughts, but I am going to get one for our Kenworth, I am just going to wait to see what they are doing with the setups.

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2001 Cummins with AEM Intake, BD pusher pump, Edge J/A and Smarty stacked, FBD VP44, Jake Brake, HTT hx35/40 hybrid, Coaltrain 5 in. Exhaust, Coaltrain 100 hp sticks, RevTec leveler, Nitto's, Valair 500hp Clutch, Bully Dog Fluid Damper, Firestone Air Ride...

DNRCUSTOMS · 11-21-2007, 09:29 PM

It seems, every one of the distributers knows something that the other doesn't. I have talked to three of them and none of them were on the same page if you know what I mean. But I think most of us just would like this for those long hauls. I can live with it not working above 12psi for boost. I cruise at 7 with no head wind. So, This could work. I am working on getting one, but my MI distributer is waiting on some new upgraded pieces before he can ship me one out. One thing about this unit, I think it can only get better over time with more people using it and upgrading parts here and there.

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2006 3500 Mega Cab, S&B intake, Tripple guage cluster, Line X, Skyjacker 2.5 lift, 5100 shocks, Aero Turbine 5" turbo back, bully dog , 305 Mckys on 20" moto metal's, EMS off road Free Spin Kit, Mag Hytec Diff cover, Amsoil Sythetic , Bushwacker fender flares, Custom mud flaps,

92 4X4 cummins 4" lift, 47rh trans, custom flip shacles in the rear, ,

DNRCUSTOMS · 11-21-2007, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbraden

Dodgerep said he went from 19 to 31... that's pretty significant. At 3.30 per gallon, savings will add up pretty quickly.

Where did he say this, I haven't seen a post since he said he orderd one??

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92 4X4 cummins 4" lift, 47rh trans, custom flip shacles in the rear, ,

bbraden · 11-21-2007, 11:17 PM

I PMed him. I'm not sure if I was supposed to disclose that... lol

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'99 dodge 4x4 5 speed quite a few mods. north of 400 hp
'07 5.9 G56 4x4 qc 3.73's 1 ton SRW, BHAF and gutted intake, almost straight piped.. CM skirted flatbed

bbraden · 11-21-2007, 11:18 PM

not working over 12 psi would be bad for those of us who tow a lot... I'm thinkin injection pre turbo.

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'99 dodge 4x4 5 speed quite a few mods. north of 400 hp
'07 5.9 G56 4x4 qc 3.73's 1 ton SRW, BHAF and gutted intake, almost straight piped.. CM skirted flatbed

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6.7 in 361 Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sinton, Tejas Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post 6.7 in 361's Truck Pics	So this setup from HHO is working out fairly well for everyone whos running it? looks like im gonna have to look into maybe purchasing this as well as the scan gauge II. I bet you could save a lot on fuel with the two together. __________________ 2007.5 6.7 Black 1 ton dually 2wd quad cab 6 speed standard, 2 fosgate 12s w/ fosgate power 500 amp. BW hitch, 150 gal aux tank w/ built on toolbox.

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amero 81® Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Delta BC Canada Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts amero's Truck Pics	never seen this before __________________ 2006 megacab 5.9 new too me march 12/2008 2007 megacab 6.7 Cummins Turbo diesel SOLD March11 2008 Why Stroke it when you can Ram it:thumbsup How do you keep your ol lady from driving your Cummins ?? Buy her own Diesel wife's Ride 2007Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4dr 4x4 yup its a DIESEL

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DNRCUSTOMS MXer Turned Diesel Nut Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Richmond Mi Posts: 407 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post DNRCUSTOMS's Truck Pics	Ok, I talked to another rep and he said they are piping it right into the intake. So, I did a little research to find out what the "AUTOIGNITION" point iof Hydrogen is and it comes up to 538 C. Which is like 1000 degrees. Also, this is in a 100 percent state, I wouldn't imagine the amount of hydrogen to oxygen or air in the intake would even exceed 5%. So, I am guessing the grid heater does not get that hot to affect the gas. But if the unit is kept on a toggle switch, You can turn it on after the vehicle is running and shut it down a min or so before you shut down the vehicle to ensure the gasses are stagnent in the air stream.. Make sense. I also found out that MagDrive Fuel From H2O - HHO Generators this guy is no longer dealing with the public, you must contact your nearest distributer. He also said he did one on a 7.3 stroker and was getting 20 before and 35 after?? Also, they he said they have no issues with keeping the brick cool anymore and they were geiiting like a 1000 or more miles before having to refill on the stroker. So, I guess I better order one up. I would like to know what ever came about on the other disscussion over a year ago? __________________ 2006 3500 Mega Cab, S&B intake, Tripple guage cluster, Line X, Skyjacker 2.5 lift, 5100 shocks, Aero Turbine 5" turbo back, bully dog , 305 Mckys on 20" moto metal's, EMS off road Free Spin Kit, Mag Hytec Diff cover, Amsoil Sythetic , Bushwacker fender flares, Custom mud flaps, 92 4X4 cummins 4" lift, 47rh trans, custom flip shacles in the rear, , Last edited by DNRCUSTOMS : 11-21-2007 at 02:28 PM.

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bbraden Diesel Head Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 1,516 Thanks: 1 Thanked 9 Times in 5 Posts bbraden's Truck Pics	I think the discussion a year ago wound up about the same as most discussions over time... everybody forgets to get back on and reply... lol I know there's a distributor in Houston, I emailed him the other day. __________________ '99 dodge 4x4 5 speed quite a few mods. north of 400 hp '07 5.9 G56 4x4 qc 3.73's 1 ton SRW, BHAF and gutted intake, almost straight piped.. CM skirted flatbed

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MOPAR MAN Diesel Head Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Torrance, CA Posts: 3,723 Thanks: 54 Thanked 30 Times in 24 Posts MOPAR MAN's Truck Pics	I am still wondering who is going to be the first one to try it out and let us know your results. __________________ 00 2500 4x4 5spd, Balanced & blueprinted, Rings&Studs CR Head W/P&P, All ARP, HD Big Stick, 110# Valve springs, Coated pistons & bearings, S&B, Intake horn, Header, 5" TB, Edge J W/A HOT, GT3788R, 120HP stix, FASS, ValAir DD, Fluidamper.

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bbraden Diesel Head Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 1,516 Thanks: 1 Thanked 9 Times in 5 Posts bbraden's Truck Pics	Dodgerep said he went from 19 to 31... that's pretty significant. At 3.30 per gallon, savings will add up pretty quickly. __________________ '99 dodge 4x4 5 speed quite a few mods. north of 400 hp '07 5.9 G56 4x4 qc 3.73's 1 ton SRW, BHAF and gutted intake, almost straight piped.. CM skirted flatbed

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pblankenship Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Washtucna WA, a small farm town in eastern Washington Posts: 180 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts pblankenship's Truck Pics	OK, I talked to two different distributors. The system does have incredible effects on mpg. The testimonial that everyone may have found on the website has actually been improved from 34 mpg to 37 mpg, and that 37 was before the new super gens came out, so there is a chance that this guy (with a CTD) is going to get right around 40 mpg, reason being is that the new generators are producing more hydrogen then the older gens. The bad news is that all of the hydrogen systems have trouble introducing the gas in a pressurized system. They have created venturis that can take in the gas up to about 12 psi of boost, but above that and the system does not take in the gas. They are doing some R&D to see if they can get a venturi setup to allow around 18 psi of boost. This does create a problem, but only for performance. For efficiency I don't think that there will be a problem as most engines are not running more then 12 psi of boost just driving down the road. My thought is that if there is a problem with injecting the hydrogen when the system is pressurized, then at that point, when it reaches higher pressure, have a system that introduces the gas before the turbo. Only for when it was at high boost, that way you could see the performance benefit of the gas at higher pressures. Just some thoughts, but I am going to get one for our Kenworth, I am just going to wait to see what they are doing with the setups. __________________ 2001 Cummins with AEM Intake, BD pusher pump, Edge J/A and Smarty stacked, FBD VP44, Jake Brake, HTT hx35/40 hybrid, Coaltrain 5 in. Exhaust, Coaltrain 100 hp sticks, RevTec leveler, Nitto's, Valair 500hp Clutch, Bully Dog Fluid Damper, Firestone Air Ride...

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DNRCUSTOMS MXer Turned Diesel Nut Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Richmond Mi Posts: 407 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post DNRCUSTOMS's Truck Pics	It seems, every one of the distributers knows something that the other doesn't. I have talked to three of them and none of them were on the same page if you know what I mean. But I think most of us just would like this for those long hauls. I can live with it not working above 12psi for boost. I cruise at 7 with no head wind. So, This could work. I am working on getting one, but my MI distributer is waiting on some new upgraded pieces before he can ship me one out. One thing about this unit, I think it can only get better over time with more people using it and upgrading parts here and there. __________________ 2006 3500 Mega Cab, S&B intake, Tripple guage cluster, Line X, Skyjacker 2.5 lift, 5100 shocks, Aero Turbine 5" turbo back, bully dog , 305 Mckys on 20" moto metal's, EMS off road Free Spin Kit, Mag Hytec Diff cover, Amsoil Sythetic , Bushwacker fender flares, Custom mud flaps, 92 4X4 cummins 4" lift, 47rh trans, custom flip shacles in the rear, ,

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bbraden Diesel Head Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 1,516 Thanks: 1 Thanked 9 Times in 5 Posts bbraden's Truck Pics	I PMed him. I'm not sure if I was supposed to disclose that... lol __________________ '99 dodge 4x4 5 speed quite a few mods. north of 400 hp '07 5.9 G56 4x4 qc 3.73's 1 ton SRW, BHAF and gutted intake, almost straight piped.. CM skirted flatbed

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bbraden Diesel Head Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 1,516 Thanks: 1 Thanked 9 Times in 5 Posts bbraden's Truck Pics	not working over 12 psi would be bad for those of us who tow a lot... I'm thinkin injection pre turbo. __________________ '99 dodge 4x4 5 speed quite a few mods. north of 400 hp '07 5.9 G56 4x4 qc 3.73's 1 ton SRW, BHAF and gutted intake, almost straight piped.. CM skirted flatbed