Check this out MAJOR MPG GAINS

[mizzu]

I haven't posted here for quite some time but I have a lot of experience with Mag-Drive. I have always believed in the theory & technology of hydrogen production and injection benefits thereof. However, Mag-Drive was not then, nor in my opinion now, technologically advanced enough to provide a reliable product. My initial experience included a melted mag-drive unit that they replaced with a "new model" that displayed a little better design. I reinstalled it and put about 10k miles through it and plotted all my fuel readings. Afterward I could see that I had no real mileage gain and a rust encrusted Turbo impeller and Intake & contacted them wanting my money back. Guess what, all I got was a snotty email saying that I had not installed it correctly.

Now I am an Aircraft Electrician/FAA Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic and a FAA Designated Airworthiness Representative with 30 years of powerplant & systems design & installation experience. I know how to install a simple DC powered gas generator. I also recognize a shoddy product when I see one. If there are any doubts about this company's leadership and the "installation standards" the owner sees as acceptable, I would suggest you visit Fuel Alabama with H2o
They are a distributor and have a video of the owner of Mag-Drive showing off the installation in his Dodge. I have seen better teenage stereo installs.
All this said, The technology is maturing, but is not there yet. I would recommend waiting another year and when the data supports the product, then buy one. I would however, NOT Buy a Mag-Drive for the simple reason that their "lifetime" warranty is not a good as the paper it is not written on>

[oliverdonufer]

i built one of these as a school project and got the thing to produce hydrogen and just blew the bubbles into a glass full of water. is used a 12v battery and put 10 amps through it. the set up was very easy, i used a mason jar with a rubber cap and 2 stainless steel spatulas which were help together with nylon bolts i got at home depot and you have to put a nylon washer between the two. I asked my physics teacher if putting one of these on my truck would increase my fuel economy and he said NO. He said that you can't make something out of nothing. The electric used by the system will be more than the benefits of the system can put out. This happens because there are slight losses in wire friction, heat, and friction inside the tubes that the hydrogen goes through

[12v Thunder]

Originally Posted by oliverdonufer

i built one of these as a school project and got the thing to produce hydrogen and just blew the bubbles into a glass full of water. is used a 12v battery and put 10 amps through it. the set up was very easy, i used a mason jar with a rubber cap and 2 stainless steel spatulas which were help together with nylon bolts i got at home depot and you have to put a nylon washer between the two. I asked my physics teacher if putting one of these on my truck would increase my fuel economy and he said NO. He said that you can't make something out of nothing. The electric used by the system will be more than the benefits of the system can put out. This happens because there are slight losses in wire friction, heat, and friction inside the tubes that the hydrogen goes through

I have no experience with these things on diesel pickups but I made a few of them Mason Jar cells and installed them on my gasser car and then on a friends Diesel Jetta with roughly 10MPG increase on both.

[fellro]

Originally Posted by oliverdonufer

The electric used by the system will be more than the benefits of the system can put out. This happens because there are slight losses in wire friction, heat, and friction inside the tubes that the hydrogen goes through

Unless it is creating such draw on the system that offsets any fuel mileage gain, I don't see how this is valid. What I mean by that, is say, as the recent poster stated, you gain 10 mpg, you would have to have enough power draw from the engine that would use up that gain. If it is just about the electric usage, the alternator already is producing the charge, much of it doesn't get used. Ideally, the charge from the alternator should not equal the amount being used, because then the battery has to take over, and it can't self generate to keep charge.

[12v Thunder]

I know that you may find this hard to believe but my whole system in my car is designed to pull no more than 4 Amps. If my system would pull any more it would only create extra heat and no increase in HHO production. The extra heat only makes the water evaporate faster and then condense causing the engine to flood with water.

[scoobert]

i am a scientist and a genius. these kits do not work. sorry.

[DBLR]

Originally Posted by 12v Thunder

I have no experience with these things on diesel pickups but I made a few of them Mason Jar cells and installed them on my gasser car and then on a friends Diesel Jetta with roughly 10MPG increase on both.

So your claim is you put your HHO generator on your friends engine and it got a 10 mpg increase! Did you know if you could prove what you claim that you could collect 1 million dollars, but be aware no one to date has proven HHO works.

[scoobert]

who is giving away a million quid?

[DmnDvo]

ok so how is HHO ?ANY? different other than renaming H2O? .... Same thing?

Unless its rearranging the water molecular structure remove one hydrogen bond from the Oxygen atom to retain an attachment to the other H atom... now the mystery would be HOW its staying there??? Covalently or ionicly... am not a chemist BUT do have a good retention of knowledge...

Another point to make with dealing with hydrogen is that, although it will recombine into H2O as a waste gas during combustion, it will also react with other elements such as Sulfur (even the small ppm allowed in ULSD) creating other compounds such as (for example) H2S!!!!

H2S is highly volitie, corrosive, and TOXIC in low ppm concentrations...

Now this is just my line of thinking but knowing some properties of H2S leads me to believe one would require and entirely stainless steel exhaust system (turbo impellar, bushings, and housing as well) to reduce the cummulative corrosive effects of such volitile compounds.

Just one of the first concerns that popped into my head...

[MNJohn]

My concern is more along the lines of over 175 replies to a thread started almost four years ago without any actual results on a Cummins. Only "I know a guy.......". Those that actually tried this are probably too embarrassed to admit being scammed. IMO this HHO hypothesis is officially dead unless someone can supply evidence to the contrary; on a Cummins.

[scoobert]

i have run into people claiming 25% improvement in MPG. i discount it as placebo effect. basically they drive more conservative after installing it, without realizing the change, i have proposed a double blind study in order to test their claims, but they lack interest. its too bad too, if it was not for BS like this hydrogen injection from on board storage could move forward.

[scoobert]

Originally Posted by mizzu

I haven't posted here for quite some time but I have a lot of experience with Mag-Drive. I have always believed in the theory & technology of hydrogen production and injection benefits thereof. However, Mag-Drive was not then, nor in my opinion now, technologically advanced enough to provide a reliable product. My initial experience included a melted mag-drive unit that they replaced with a "new model" that displayed a little better design. I reinstalled it and put about 10k miles through it and plotted all my fuel readings. Afterward I could see that I had no real mileage gain and a rust encrusted Turbo impeller and Intake & contacted them wanting my money back. Guess what, all I got was a snotty email saying that I had not installed it correctly.

Now I am an Aircraft Electrician/FAA Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic and a FAA Designated Airworthiness Representative with 30 years of powerplant & systems design & installation experience. I know how to install a simple DC powered gas generator. I also recognize a shoddy product when I see one. If there are any doubts about this company's leadership and the "installation standards" the owner sees as acceptable, I would suggest you visit Fuel Alabama with H2o
They are a distributor and have a video of the owner of Mag-Drive showing off the installation in his Dodge. I have seen better teenage stereo installs.
All this said, The technology is maturing, but is not there yet. I would recommend waiting another year and when the data supports the product, then buy one. I would however, NOT Buy a Mag-Drive for the simple reason that their "lifetime" warranty is not a good as the paper it is not written on>

thanks for the company info, i have gone ahead and reported them to the FTC as a business engaging in deceptive practices.