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White91t · 12-08-2007, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dakota001

A couple of the Big 3 have hydrogen powered public transportation buses operating in California on nothing but hydrogen...It's experimental I hear and they seem to be running fine except for one mishap, a small explosion while being serviced...tore the bus in half...Other than that, still running the other buses....So the BIG 3 can build a car or truck that runs on hydrogen if they wanted too...Cost, I'm guessing would be high at this time. So don't be such a non believer...Google BROWN"S GAS and check out some of the sites that come up...:thumbsup

A co-worker read recently Honda is leasing full hydrogen cars in California. Anyone can own one. The exhaust is all water vapor.
The big 3 in my opinion are pretty far behind, I saw GM's hydrogen fuel cell in person @ the Detroit auto show in 2001, it was functioning and they have done very little with it. I think Hydrogen power is completely ready (it was created some 50 years ago) but our economy is so fuel based that the big 3 are either 1. scared to do anything with it or 2. waiting till fuel prices are stupid high and availability is low so 100K for one of these cars is a "deal". There have always been conspiracy's about the longevity of fossil fuel but many 'creditable' people are talking about only having 7-10 years left. At that point the only thing running that is currently on the road today will be diesel's.
Because of the foreign market the big 3 have been hurting. Hydrogen could have taken them back to the top. The idea alone solves their biggest problem, "reliability". Hydrogen cars are all electric. Honda and Toyota hybrid motors are seeing 350K mi and only need a single battery replacement. Hydrogen cars have no battery and no fuel based motor, just the electric one. But wait, now they have another problem... no more big ticket repair bills.
Oh, by the way if you are interested, you can lease a Honda fuel cell for 600.00 a month. That includes ALL maintenance and fuel provided by Honda, you just have to drive it.

Ram04SLT · 12-11-2007, 10:47 AM

Well myself I would REALLY like to hear from the folks that bought one of those Mag-drive units, good or bad.

Even if a person could get a 5mpg gain at in-town and highway speeds it would pay for itself in short order and put a few bucks back in my pocket as I am only getting 16 - 18mpg and my commute to/from work is 110 Miles.
To see 20+mpg would be AWSOME but upwards to the 30ish range and I would be driving with a perpetual chub!!!

My issues would have to be Reliability and Safety
We all can figure out what happens if you leave the unit turned on while not running...
What happens if you run out of electrolyte?
What kinda safety measures are there in place?
I know not everything is completely fool proof but I get a better warm fuzzy when the odd's are stacked in my favor for using a reliable product in my truck.

Besides like everyone else I have a good amount of cash in my truck, and right now can't afford to turn it into a boat anchor right now.
So for the guys that have bought and installed the unit PLEASE keep us posted

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SmokingFords · 12-11-2007, 08:49 PM

I have heard different things,but if you could get say 100mpg in a gas burner or a diesel the oil companys would put a stop to it.Probably pay you to keep your mouth shut and destory you product

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eslfuzzy · 12-12-2007, 09:28 PM

Ordered one 10 days ago. I hope to have it installed next week for a 1000 mile trip I will be taking. That should give us a good idea if it works or not.
I do know of a farmer in nebraska that made a so called "crude" Hydrogen device for his pickup during the 80's, that was claimed to work. It was only able to add to getting better mileage. I was told about it about 8 years ago but never asked the guy myself if it was true.

Maybe we should get myth busters to check it out

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silver_2000_tj · 12-14-2007, 02:41 PM

Anyone have any updates on milage?

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socal2ks · 12-15-2007, 01:48 AM

Results?

Ah the thought of hydrogen and biodiesel together sounds so appealing $$$

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sick1 · 12-19-2007, 08:16 AM

Do any of you guy's have some result's yet?

silver_2000_tj · 12-19-2007, 11:20 AM

I read somewhere else I think it was TDR that the results where not that great at all. and I'm guessing by the lack of results it may be the same results here. I hope not but so far it's not looking good!

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eslfuzzy · 12-20-2007, 11:28 PM

I just finished up installing the unit on my truck. I will be traveling about 1100 miles tomorrow though tomorrow night. So I should have some type of resualts. The thing is making a lot of bubbles.

I'm putting it into the suction side of the turbo. The venturi that come with the unit is not really a venturi...more like what is called a injection quill or a means of placing the hydrogen in the middle of the air stream. A venturi would actually cause a lower pressure at the injection point. I do think that if properly built, a true venturi would work on the post turbo side. That is if there is enough of velocity flowing though it to overcome the higher PSI. Someone out there should be able to pencil that out and tell us. Maybe someone out there could tell me why it really makes a difference if you consider the output of the unit is the same if injected pre or post turbo. Unless the gas liquidfies? Wouldn't the gas compress a little too?
You should here some resualts from me on Saturday, good or bad. Scott

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pblankenship · 12-20-2007, 11:34 PM

If you used a Magdrive unit, contact the Magdrive dealer in Arkansas. The number is: 479-461-0964 and his name is Jim. He is very helpful and he designs venturis. He can either build one for you or you can buy his plans for about $16 and do it yourself. But from what I understand you need to get the thing near the intake and away from the turbo, it will be more efficient if a proper venturi is used. That is just what I have heard. I imagine heat has something to do with it, not that it is unsafe, but that it makes the gas expand, and as we know, the smaller the particles are, the more we can ram in there.

I actually just ordered a Magdrive unit(s) for my Kenworth. It takes a total of 4 of those bricks to produce enough hydrogen for a 12 liter engine. They say that they are seeing about 30% increase in big rigs. If this works well, which I think it will, we are going to get one for our tractor as well as the rest of our vehicles.

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eslfuzzy · 12-20-2007, 11:49 PM

I will probably give them a call. I don't have the time right now to make anything. The turbo causing the hydrogen to heat up makes sense. I agree that would be bad.
Thanks

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pblankenship · 12-21-2007, 12:08 AM

Actually, sometimes they inject the hydrogen pre-turbo as a secondary injection point to make sure that the engine is getting enough hydrogen. I don't think the heat is a big deal in terms of a big boom, rather is just expands the gas. Making it more difficult to get a denser amount of air.

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12-20-2007, 11:28 PM	#141 (permalink)
eslfuzzy Newbie Join Date: May 2007 Location: Nebraska Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts eslfuzzy's Truck Pics	Installed and ready to go. I just finished up installing the unit on my truck. I will be traveling about 1100 miles tomorrow though tomorrow night. So I should have some type of resualts. The thing is making a lot of bubbles. I'm putting it into the suction side of the turbo. The venturi that come with the unit is not really a venturi...more like what is called a injection quill or a means of placing the hydrogen in the middle of the air stream. A venturi would actually cause a lower pressure at the injection point. I do think that if properly built, a true venturi would work on the post turbo side. That is if there is enough of velocity flowing though it to overcome the higher PSI. Someone out there should be able to pencil that out and tell us. Maybe someone out there could tell me why it really makes a difference if you consider the output of the unit is the same if injected pre or post turbo. Unless the gas liquidfies? Wouldn't the gas compress a little too? You should here some resualts from me on Saturday, good or bad. Scott __________________ 2006 Ram 2500, SB, 4X4, Auto, Edge, 5" home made air tube, Magdrive HHO, stock exhaust.

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12-11-2007, 10:47 AM	#134 (permalink)
Ram04SLT Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Litchfield IL Posts: 117 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Ram04SLT's Truck Pics	Well myself I would REALLY like to hear from the folks that bought one of those Mag-drive units, good or bad. Even if a person could get a 5mpg gain at in-town and highway speeds it would pay for itself in short order and put a few bucks back in my pocket as I am only getting 16 - 18mpg and my commute to/from work is 110 Miles. To see 20+mpg would be AWSOME but upwards to the 30ish range and I would be driving with a perpetual chub!!! My issues would have to be Reliability and Safety We all can figure out what happens if you leave the unit turned on while not running... What happens if you run out of electrolyte? What kinda safety measures are there in place? I know not everything is completely fool proof but I get a better warm fuzzy when the odd's are stacked in my favor for using a reliable product in my truck. Besides like everyone else I have a good amount of cash in my truck, and right now can't afford to turn it into a boat anchor right now. So for the guys that have bought and installed the unit PLEASE keep us posted __________________ Corey...... Proud member of the ICC Silver, 04.5, CTD, 325/600, Quad Cab, SB, 4x4 S-Ring removed, all current flash updates...Of course all Mods and subject to FINAL APPROVAL by Higher Headquarters!!

12-11-2007, 08:49 PM	#135 (permalink)
SmokingFords Diesel Head Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Anderson-SC Posts: 2,436 Thanks: 14 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts SmokingFords's Truck Pics	I have heard different things,but if you could get say 100mpg in a gas burner or a diesel the oil companys would put a stop to it.Probably pay you to keep your mouth shut and destory you product __________________ 2001 Dodge 2500 Black sport 6 speed BD High HP VP44 Adrenaline/pulse Smoke switch SmartyRevo,.093 tubes DDP 200s HT64/65/14 turbo,southbend DD 3250 ,GFS-392 fuel system,AFE boost tube/ScottieII Snow water/ meth,FBD 5in to 7in tip,35"Nitto's Leving kit 511Hp 1012Tq

12-12-2007, 09:28 PM	#136 (permalink)
eslfuzzy Newbie Join Date: May 2007 Location: Nebraska Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts eslfuzzy's Truck Pics	Ordered one 10 days ago. I hope to have it installed next week for a 1000 mile trip I will be taking. That should give us a good idea if it works or not. I do know of a farmer in nebraska that made a so called "crude" Hydrogen device for his pickup during the 80's, that was claimed to work. It was only able to add to getting better mileage. I was told about it about 8 years ago but never asked the guy myself if it was true. Maybe we should get myth busters to check it out __________________ 2006 Ram 2500, SB, 4X4, Auto, Edge, 5" home made air tube, Magdrive HHO, stock exhaust.

12-14-2007, 02:41 PM	#137 (permalink)
silver_2000_tj Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Flower Mound TX Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts silver_2000_tj's Truck Pics	Anyone have any updates on milage? __________________ 2004.5 Ram H.O. 2500 Quadcab SB 4X4 Auto with 3.75 gears. Stock for now but thats going to change.

12-15-2007, 01:48 AM	#138 (permalink)
socal2ks Newbie Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts socal2ks's Truck Pics	Results? Ah the thought of hydrogen and biodiesel together sounds so appealing $$$ __________________ 07 classic lbz. Whats next? Southern Cal to Kansas

12-19-2007, 08:16 AM	#139 (permalink)
sick1 Newbie Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts sick1's Truck Pics	Do any of you guy's have some result's yet?

12-19-2007, 11:20 AM	#140 (permalink)
silver_2000_tj Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Flower Mound TX Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts silver_2000_tj's Truck Pics	I read somewhere else I think it was TDR that the results where not that great at all. and I'm guessing by the lack of results it may be the same results here. I hope not but so far it's not looking good! __________________ 2004.5 Ram H.O. 2500 Quadcab SB 4X4 Auto with 3.75 gears. Stock for now but thats going to change.

12-20-2007, 11:34 PM	#142 (permalink)
pblankenship Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Washtucna WA, a small farm town in eastern Washington Posts: 180 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts pblankenship's Truck Pics	If you used a Magdrive unit, contact the Magdrive dealer in Arkansas. The number is: 479-461-0964 and his name is Jim. He is very helpful and he designs venturis. He can either build one for you or you can buy his plans for about $16 and do it yourself. But from what I understand you need to get the thing near the intake and away from the turbo, it will be more efficient if a proper venturi is used. That is just what I have heard. I imagine heat has something to do with it, not that it is unsafe, but that it makes the gas expand, and as we know, the smaller the particles are, the more we can ram in there. I actually just ordered a Magdrive unit(s) for my Kenworth. It takes a total of 4 of those bricks to produce enough hydrogen for a 12 liter engine. They say that they are seeing about 30% increase in big rigs. If this works well, which I think it will, we are going to get one for our tractor as well as the rest of our vehicles. __________________ 2001 Cummins with AEM Intake, BD pusher pump, Edge J/A and Smarty stacked, FBD VP44, Jake Brake, HTT hx35/40 hybrid, Coaltrain 5 in. Exhaust, Coaltrain 100 hp sticks, RevTec leveler, Nitto's, Valair 500hp Clutch, Bully Dog Fluid Damper, Firestone Air Ride...

12-20-2007, 11:49 PM	#143 (permalink)
eslfuzzy Newbie Join Date: May 2007 Location: Nebraska Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts eslfuzzy's Truck Pics	I will probably give them a call. I don't have the time right now to make anything. The turbo causing the hydrogen to heat up makes sense. I agree that would be bad. Thanks __________________ 2006 Ram 2500, SB, 4X4, Auto, Edge, 5" home made air tube, Magdrive HHO, stock exhaust.

12-21-2007, 12:08 AM	#144 (permalink)
pblankenship Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Washtucna WA, a small farm town in eastern Washington Posts: 180 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts pblankenship's Truck Pics	Actually, sometimes they inject the hydrogen pre-turbo as a secondary injection point to make sure that the engine is getting enough hydrogen. I don't think the heat is a big deal in terms of a big boom, rather is just expands the gas. Making it more difficult to get a denser amount of air. __________________ 2001 Cummins with AEM Intake, BD pusher pump, Edge J/A and Smarty stacked, FBD VP44, Jake Brake, HTT hx35/40 hybrid, Coaltrain 5 in. Exhaust, Coaltrain 100 hp sticks, RevTec leveler, Nitto's, Valair 500hp Clutch, Bully Dog Fluid Damper, Firestone Air Ride...