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dakota001 · 12-07-2007, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Equine Tug

I an in the current stage of building my own all the parts to build it cost me about $60 at Lowes. When I finish I will post my results.

I installed mine today...No results as of yet do to short time span...I will update as time goes by...Using steam distilled water & baking soda (Arm & Hammer).....

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Equine Tug · 12-07-2007, 06:51 PM

will take the plates time to break in. The temp of the water and soda has to be about 120*F before the unit will be at peak output on some units this could be a short time o many hours depends on the volume. I am testing Vinegar now seams to work well with less brown stuff and good discharge.

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dakota001 · 12-07-2007, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Equine Tug

will take the plates time to break in. The temp of the water and soda has to be about 120*F before the unit will be at peak output on some units this could be a short time o many hours depends on the volume. I am testing Vinegar now seams to work well with less brown stuff and good discharge.

Also using plates...was using 3 & 3 setup...seemed that only one plate from each side was generating any gases...multiple plates may not put out any more than a single plate...testing a new setup later this coming week....hope it generates more output...

My setup today is a double plate in series setup. What is your discharge on the setup? ...

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dakota001 · 12-07-2007, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kb5zcr

Ok, I am new to the forum and this is my first post so I will try to be as nice as I can.

This product is pure snake-oil. There is no way to make enough hydrogen to make any difference using the electricity available on a vehicle.

Please, please, please don't waste one dollar on this contraption. Do some research on hydrogen production here
Hydrogen production - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you do buy this product, at least be honest for the rest of the forum readers and let them know what you have found.

I hope that I don't make anyone mad by my first post. It is just that I hate to see innocent people taken advantage of.

Driving my Diesel and loving it.

Tim

2006 2500 4x4 long bed auto.

A non believer.......Hey, " WAKE UP "...Diesel prices are thru the roof...If I can build it cheap enough, I'll try it...
Oh ya...

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kb5zcr · 12-07-2007, 09:58 PM

Yes I am a non-believer, Yes I know that diesel prices are thru the roof. I hate paying over $3 per gallon myself. I like the idea of using veggi oil but I only drive 12 miles to work and you have to get the oil up to temp before running it so it may not be practical for me.

As far as this hydrogen generator goes. I don't bieleve a word of it. Auto manufactors have been trying for a decade to make an economical vehicle that runs on hydrogen. The infrastructure is not there for supplying hydrogen for vehicles. If they could make a mobile hydrogen generator that goes on a vehicle they would have done that, but it is not possible now.

I have been reading several cummins boards for a while know (TDR mainly) but just found this one. Looks good.

Tim

***mattpopp*** · 12-08-2007, 02:10 AM

there are people that drive the cummins to work and there are people that work there cummins. most people that work there cummins (like myself) are destroying our pocket book at the diesel pump. it sucks to be a test rat but you will never know how good or bad something is. i bought the 12a kit, i havent recieved it yet. it doesnt produce enough h2 to run a 3hp motor either. but in theory it produces enough to make a difference on a diesel engine. if you do the research on hydrogen and understand a diesel engine, you will know that the good things out weigh the bad. i can not think of anything bad other then leaving the cell powered up without running the engine. in that case loading the intake full of h2. that would be bad. but at the end of a day you have to do what you have to do.

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fellro · 12-08-2007, 08:22 AM

A local guy built one of these type units, but unfortunately, I do not know what ever happened with his system. A few were sold local, he made a big company with a partner, and I don't know what happened from there. The company they formed was IRAAL, which got bought up by some Canadian company last I knew, and don't know where it went from there. He was claiming the same gains that these state, and he tested it out on cars and trucks and tractors. He called it the hydro power pack if I recall...

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dakota001 · 12-08-2007, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by kb5zcr

Yes I am a non-believer, Yes I know that diesel prices are thru the roof. I hate paying over $3 per gallon myself. I like the idea of using veggi oil but I only drive 12 miles to work and you have to get the oil up to temp before running it so it may not be practical for me.

As far as this hydrogen generator goes. I don't bieleve a word of it. Auto manufactors have been trying for a decade to make an economical vehicle that runs on hydrogen. The infrastructure is not there for supplying hydrogen for vehicles. If they could make a mobile hydrogen generator that goes on a vehicle they would have done that, but it is not possible now.

I have been reading several cummins boards for a while know (TDR mainly) but just found this one. Looks good.

Tim

A couple of the Big 3 have hydrogen powered public transportation buses operating in California on nothing but hydrogen...It's experimental I hear and they seem to be running fine except for one mishap, a small explosion while being serviced...tore the bus in half...Other than that, still running the other buses....So the BIG 3 can build a car or truck that runs on hydrogen if they wanted too...Cost, I'm guessing would be high at this time. So don't be such a non believer...Google BROWN"S GAS and check out some of the sites that come up...

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dakota001 · 12-08-2007, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kb5zcr

Yes I am a non-believer, Yes I know that diesel prices are thru the roof. I hate paying over $3 per gallon myself. I like the idea of using veggi oil but I only drive 12 miles to work and you have to get the oil up to temp before running it so it may not be practical for me.

As far as this hydrogen generator goes. I don't bieleve a word of it. Auto manufactors have been trying for a decade to make an economical vehicle that runs on hydrogen. The infrastructure is not there for supplying hydrogen for vehicles. If they could make a mobile hydrogen generator that goes on a vehicle they would have done that, but it is not possible now.

I have been reading several cummins boards for a while know (TDR mainly) but just found this one. Looks good.

Tim

A couple of the Big 3 have hydrogen powered public transportation buses operating in California on nothing but hydrogen...It's experimental I hear and they seem to be running fine except for one mishap, a small explosion while being serviced...tore the bus in half...Other than that, still running the other buses....So the BIG 3 can build a car or truck that runs on hydrogen if they wanted too...Cost, I'm guessing would be high at this time. So don't be such a non believer...Google BROWN"S GAS and check out some of the sites that come up...:thumbsup

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millco · 12-08-2007, 10:04 AM

It's good to question things! I too smell snake oil..... But I want it to work!!
There are a few reputable people on here that say it works. I have to take them at their word.
I would like to know what some of the different designs are. Which ones seem to work the best? Are there ever any problems? What about ingesting water or a bit of residue from the process? That would probably be bad for the life of the engine.....
Anyway, I may try to look up some of you. I would like to call and talk to who ever would let me wear out their ear! I thought that maybe I could try and coordinate a bit of this togeather into our own 'white paper' or what ever to be able to give guys like me an idea of how to best do this! If you are willing to do this; please PM me with your number and I will be giving you a call some weekend or maybe after 9PM MTN if that is a good time for you.....
Thanks,
Dan

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megadually · 12-08-2007, 01:24 PM

I hope people post their results good or bad. I wouldn't worry about the motor taking a little water through the intake. The water injection kits are sopposed to clean up carbon and not be hard on your motor. I know the water won't be atomized, but it should be such a small amount I don't think it will have any ill effects. I have pulled the boot off at the intake manifold and wiped water out of the bellow many times. If the kits are mounted lower than where you tap into the intake most of the water should run back to the unit, shouldn't it?

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Equine Tug · 12-08-2007, 07:31 PM

There are people that say nay to new things and only complain about what others do to them (The Oil Company) and there are those who find a work around for a problem. Then all of a sudden the work around works and everybody wants to hop on the band wagon. Instead of sitting there telling us “this wont work”. Why don’t you do the research and testing while I sit back and complain and tell you that it won’t work. Why not help us find something that works and share your knowledge instead of trying to make a buck on it.

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12-07-2007, 06:51 PM	#122 (permalink)
Equine Tug Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Athens,Tennessee Posts: 147 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Equine Tug's Truck Pics	will take the plates time to break in. The temp of the water and soda has to be about 120*F before the unit will be at peak output on some units this could be a short time o many hours depends on the volume. I am testing Vinegar now seams to work well with less brown stuff and good discharge. __________________ 2005 3500 4X4 Quad Cab Laramie DRW, 5.9 CTD, G56 trans, 4:10 Detroit Locked, Amsoil, Rancho 9000, Tailgate spoiler

12-07-2007, 09:58 PM	#125 (permalink)
kb5zcr Newbie Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Southlake, Tx Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts kb5zcr's Truck Pics	Yes I am a non-believer, Yes I know that diesel prices are thru the roof. I hate paying over $3 per gallon myself. I like the idea of using veggi oil but I only drive 12 miles to work and you have to get the oil up to temp before running it so it may not be practical for me. As far as this hydrogen generator goes. I don't bieleve a word of it. Auto manufactors have been trying for a decade to make an economical vehicle that runs on hydrogen. The infrastructure is not there for supplying hydrogen for vehicles. If they could make a mobile hydrogen generator that goes on a vehicle they would have done that, but it is not possible now. I have been reading several cummins boards for a while know (TDR mainly) but just found this one. Looks good. Tim

12-08-2007, 08:22 AM	#127 (permalink)
fellro Cummins Fan Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Marengo, Ia Posts: 68 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts fellro's Truck Pics	A local guy built one of these type units, but unfortunately, I do not know what ever happened with his system. A few were sold local, he made a big company with a partner, and I don't know what happened from there. The company they formed was IRAAL, which got bought up by some Canadian company last I knew, and don't know where it went from there. He was claiming the same gains that these state, and he tested it out on cars and trucks and tractors. He called it the hydro power pack if I recall... __________________ 1992 F350 crew cab 2wd, 1992 Cummins, 47RH automatic, Gear Vendors overdrive

12-08-2007, 10:04 AM	#130 (permalink)
millco Cummins Nut Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Idaho Posts: 347 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts millco's Truck Pics	It's good to question things! I too smell snake oil..... But I want it to work!! There are a few reputable people on here that say it works. I have to take them at their word. I would like to know what some of the different designs are. Which ones seem to work the best? Are there ever any problems? What about ingesting water or a bit of residue from the process? That would probably be bad for the life of the engine..... Anyway, I may try to look up some of you. I would like to call and talk to who ever would let me wear out their ear! I thought that maybe I could try and coordinate a bit of this togeather into our own 'white paper' or what ever to be able to give guys like me an idea of how to best do this! If you are willing to do this; please PM me with your number and I will be giving you a call some weekend or maybe after 9PM MTN if that is a good time for you..... Thanks, Dan __________________ 06 3500 4x4 SLT 48RE Mega sized, Plus 2 micron fuel filter, Twin Frantz oil filters, Rokk CPS, BHAF, ARE shell, Well, it's up to 14+ MPG and of course there's a list of wants! 73 1210 2x4 Int'l - patiently waiting to become a Cummins! 76 Scout - looking for a 4BT!

12-08-2007, 01:24 PM	#131 (permalink)
megadually Cummins Nut Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Idaho Posts: 431 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts megadually's Truck Pics	I hope people post their results good or bad. I wouldn't worry about the motor taking a little water through the intake. The water injection kits are sopposed to clean up carbon and not be hard on your motor. I know the water won't be atomized, but it should be such a small amount I don't think it will have any ill effects. I have pulled the boot off at the intake manifold and wiped water out of the bellow many times. If the kits are mounted lower than where you tap into the intake most of the water should run back to the unit, shouldn't it? __________________ 6/06, MegaCab, dually, 4x4, g56, 3.73's, S-06, 75hp sticks, ARP's, HTT62/65/13ss, ATS ex/man, cfm+, HGD, FASS150/95, 1R-0749, Quad BF, PG-7, PRXB, SB3250 sh dd, Fluidamper, air bags, Fastcoolers, mag-hytec diff covers.

12-08-2007, 07:31 PM	#132 (permalink)
Equine Tug Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Athens,Tennessee Posts: 147 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Equine Tug's Truck Pics	There are people that say nay to new things and only complain about what others do to them (The Oil Company) and there are those who find a work around for a problem. Then all of a sudden the work around works and everybody wants to hop on the band wagon. Instead of sitting there telling us “this wont work”. Why don’t you do the research and testing while I sit back and complain and tell you that it won’t work. Why not help us find something that works and share your knowledge instead of trying to make a buck on it. __________________ 2005 3500 4X4 Quad Cab Laramie DRW, 5.9 CTD, G56 trans, 4:10 Detroit Locked, Amsoil, Rancho 9000, Tailgate spoiler