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Old 05-13-2010, 12:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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off road vs. regular diesel

Here's the question. Is offroad diesel better for your truck than regular diesel on the pre 2007 trucks? I've also heard off road diesel makes more power due to the high sulfur content. Also how does offroad diesel affect your programmers that we use in our trucks? I'm hoping you guys and answer my questions!
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I'm quite sure by now, most fuel available both on road and off road is the ultra low sulfur kind.
Although diesel fuel can be stored indefinitely, there may be some of the older fuel available in certain areas, and marketed in the off road segment, as emission standards are currently affecting on-road vehicles.

Yes, the older stuff will provide a little more energy, as BTU content is robbed during refining of the ULSD. The new stuff is also drier, and may require a lubricity additive in older equipment.

The basic, only difference between the two is the red dye added to off-road indicating no road tax, and green dye to the on-road for tax paid. If operating your vehicle on public roads or highways with red dyed fuel, you may risk being fined for tax evasion.
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a friend of mine was thinking about running off road diesel in his pulling truck for alittle extra power, and was curious if it would effect programmers. hes got a 2000 5 speed cb sb 4X4. 90 sticks,smarty,tst, fass 150, thats about as much and i can remember on his ride.
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A friend of mine has an aunt who sells diesel at her store. On road and off road are pumped from the same nozzle. She just punches the appropriate price into the computer.
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A friend of mine has an aunt who sells diesel at her store. On road and off road are pumped from the same nozzle. She just punches the appropriate price into the computer.
with no red dye, that is crazy, is it really rural?
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with no red dye, that is crazy, is it really rural?
About 20 miles east of the I5 corridor in Oregon. Is that "really rural"? The point I was making is off road diesel is nothing more than untaxed fuel, it has no extra cetane, sulphur or anything else.

OP, sulphur does not provide any power what so ever. It is a corrosive and only contributes to acid rain and non-human friendly air.
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Here in florida, the guy that delivers our fuel told me as of right now red fuel is still higher in sulfur, but all diesel will be ulsd sometime this summer.
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About 20 miles east of the I5 corridor in Oregon. Is that "really rural"? The point I was making is off road diesel is nothing more than untaxed fuel, it has no extra cetane, sulphur or anything else.

OP, sulphur does not provide any power what so ever. It is a corrosive and only contributes to acid rain and non-human friendly air.
You forgot to mention the lubricity.

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A friend of mine has an aunt who sells diesel at her store. On road and off road are pumped from the same nozzle. She just punches the appropriate price into the computer.
Sounds like a potential liability.

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Here in florida, the guy that delivers our fuel told me as of right now red fuel is still higher in sulfur, but all diesel will be ulsd sometime this summer.
Hm, I haven't seen non-ULSD red for a very long time. Cool if it is true I suppose.
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there's a distributor here that still sells dyed low sulfur fuel
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You forgot to mention the lubricity.

Sounds like a potential liability.

Hm, I haven't seen non-ULSD red for a very long time. Cool if it is true I suppose.

That is because I believe lubricity is a non-issue. With over 748k miles and never using any additives (other than anti-gel for fuel bought in the south when I was going north in the winter) my engine is just fine. My records show that I've pumped well over 20,000 gallons of ULSD into my tanks, more fuel than 99% of the membership will use in a lifetime. I've saved a lot of money by not buying into the snake oil/lubricity myth.

Only to the buyer. The seller can not be held liable to how the fuel is used, dying it red doesn't guarantee that it won't be used on road. I'm sure she doesn't own the only store that only has one diesel storage tank.

LSD is still being produced and sold legally, but that will come to an end this summer.
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The lubricity it provides isn't a myth, and the fact that you haven't had any failure doesn't prove it is. The fuel we have now is obviously sufficient, but I'd rather have it than not.

And I meant if some of the taxed comes out with some red in it.
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The lubricity it provides isn't a myth, and the fact that you haven't had any failure doesn't prove it is. The fuel we have now is obviously sufficient, but I'd rather have it than not.

And I meant if some of the taxed comes out with some red in it.

Believe what you want about the lubricity of ULSD. I'm glad the sulphur has been removed, I have grandkids. If you are saying sulphur is a lubricant you must have slept through high school chemistry.

The fuel she sells is not dyed red, just untaxed for the off road users.
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