Interesting reading from Power Service:
It is interesting to know that the Department of Energy in conjunction
with Clean Cities Tennessee conducted testing using our Diesel Kleen.
Diesel Kleen is similar to DFS. Diesel Kleen has the same detergent,
Cetane Boost but has more of it. Diesel Kleen does not contain an
antigel so it has more of these two ingredients. Both have the same
lubricity package and will protect fuel pumps. Anyway, the testing
conducted by Clean Cities, which is a respected organization across the
USA, shows that fuel economy was increased and emissions were decreased
(NOx emissions went down 9 to 28%). To make this test even harder they
used B20 Biodiesel which is 20% vegetable with 80% Number 2 Diesel Fuel.
Biodiesel increases NOx emissions and when they saw the reductions in
NOx emissions they were impressed. The increase in fuel economy more
than paid for the use of the additive. Wal Mart Transportation found out
about these results and last summer conducted their own testing using
their own trucks on their own proving grounds and 1/3 through the
testing they stopped the test and signed a contract to treat every
gallon of fuel they purchased across the entire USA to be treated with
Diesel Kleen because of the improved benefits. This winter every load of
their fuel is treated with DFS. We also have testing showing that the
lubricity claims are true. The current lubricity standard established by
the ASTM (American Society for Testing and Materials) is not adequate
enough to protect the fuel pumps. This is information according to the
Fuel Pump Manufacturers and the EMA (Engine Manufacturer Association)
confirms that the lubricity standard should be lower.
It is amazing that it doesn't take much additive to give the type of
results mentioned above. Some people cannot grasp this concept and think
you have to add gallons in the fuel to get these effects. Chemistry is
best left up to the scientists and chemists who understand and know how
things really work. There is a lot of misinformation on the internet and
a lot of it is based on anything but the real facts. I would like to
caution using motor oil in diesel fuel. Even though the concept is
appealing and sounds logical it can cause a lot of problems. For
example, if the motor oil contains zinc then zinc can react with the
water in the system and can form a hydroxide gel that can shorten filter
life. Zinc can also react with organic acids in the fuel and can foul
fuel injectors. Other chemicals that can be in motor oil can also speed
up fuel degradation.
When you surf the web you can believe the hype or the facts and
sometimes it is difficult to tell the difference. As for me I would not
add any motor oil to the fuel.
2 cycle motor oil contains many of the metals that are in crankcase oil and should not be used in regular diesel vehicles. Another reason they should not be used is that they are illegal and can be harmful for people to inhale. At one time used oil was allowed to be added to diesel fuel as a means of disposal and over a short period of time the error of this method was soon realized. Many transportation companies had to spend thousands of dollars to clean up the fuel tanks and repair damaged parts in their vehicles and the EPA realized the emission consequences.
Using unused motor oil and even 2-cycle motor oil is not a good ideal. Oil has many additives, such as lubricants, detergents, anti-acids/corrosion inhibitors, chemicals to disperse soot (magnesium) and viscosity improvers. Simply If it is not meant to be combusted in your vehicle you should not use it unless you conduct testing to see what effects it has in the fuel and combustion chamber. When you add chemicals without knowing the interactions you are gambling and the odds are against you. First it is not hard to create chemical imbalances which lead to fuel degradation, chemical separation, less efficiencies in the combustion chamber and possible damage to engine components and filters, not to mention harmful emissions or simply more emissions.
2-cycle oil for the most part is used in gasoline engines. There are less 2-cycle applications today than in the past for many reasons. When it comes to 2-cycle diesel engines these are mostly large stable type engines on a platform and they usually use high sulfur fuel which makes it a pollution machine. 2-cycle oil is not ash less and can contribute to build ups in the combustion chamber. In your vehicle this is not desirable.
When it comes to Marvel Mystery Oil we have conducted lubricity testing and it does not improve fuel lubricity. Using MMO with Diesel Kleen or Diesel Fuel Supplement, in my opinion, is a waste of money. Diesel Kleen and Diesel Fuel Supplement (DFS) does all the work by improving fuel economy and increasing the lubricity of the fuel and MMO gets a free ride.
I suggest using DFS in the winter months to help prevent fuel gelling and use Diesel Kleen in the non-winter months. Diesel Kleen does not contain an antigel so there is more room for more detergents and more Cetane Boost which gives you more benefits in the non-winter months. Both have the same lubricity package to get the lubricity of the fuel where the Fuel Pump Manufacturers really want it.
Also, I would caution not to mix two different chemicals in one bottle. For example if you use DFS and our Diesel 911 in the fuel they are compatible with each other and give additional benefits. If you mix these two in a bottle without adding anything else the Diesel 911 will strip out the antigel in the DFS and cause it to go to the bottom of the bottle. When you add this to the fuel the antigel stays in the bottle and you are not protected against fuel gelling. Unless you know how 2 or more chemicals will interact you should not mix them in the same bottle and then later add them to the fuel.
Just keep in mind that some of the people in the chat rooms often are salesmen trying to sell their product and are acting as if they are only a user. Some of these people in the chat rooms have an agenda, are trying to make people think they know more than they really do and can totally mis-lead others. This does not mean that all information in the chat rooms is bad. Probably most of it is beneficial information but often you can't tell what is good info and what is hype.
Let me know if you have any other questions or concerns.
Brian Wilson
bwilson@powerservice.com
Compliance Coordinator
Technical Advisor
800-643-9089