Alright, I made the 2-cycle Oils list into an image file and you can copy it from there if you want the latest version. You can find the list by clicking the link.
OK Aceracer24, you're the president of the "flat Earth society"; and Mopar and I are like Columbus!!!!!!
Just Kidding!!!:rof :rof
I agree with most of what you are saying. I'd agree with most all of what you are saying if we were still able to buy LSD for our trucks rather than the "dry" ULSD. Those with VP44's and pre '07 CP3's, have trucks that were designed/made to run on LSD. Remember the switch over from leaded to unleaded???? I don't know, maybe you're not that old. I don't want to take the chance with a $12,000 engine or even $2,000 for injectors or a new CP3 in my case.
Where are you from Ace? Your signature doesn't say. You may not need PS for anti gel: especially if you are below the Mason-Dixon line. JFYI, the cetane increase derived from using PS (either one) and other products comes from the "solvents" in the product. The xylene, naptha, or whatever are the agents that increase the "cetane" level and probably clean the fuel system. If you need solvents to clean your Cummins fuel system, you're not working that "beast of an engine" hard enough IMNTBHO!!! That's basically all Mopar and I are trying to get across. Mostly Mopar!!!:thumbsup :thumbsup
lol well I am in Utah, northern Utah about 10-20 miles north of Salt Lake. And no, I really don't drive this beast hard enough! I don't tow, not very often and I do a lot of in city driving plus driving on base. I do open it up often though which my speeding ticket can attest to and as much as I hate to say it, I was old enough for the lead to unleaded. Paid a fortune to have my 66 mustang heads converted to new seats and valves to support the unleaded fuels lol.
Yes I also obviously fall into the pre 07 era for LSD, but I can't imagine to many people pouring in 2 cycle oil before the change to ULSD. Eitherway, I like my "flat Earth" and as long as I am gaining results from using PS, I will keep using it. I pour in 32oz of 2 cycle as well, and unless i start having pump problems I am happy. Besides, I am still under warrenty
DBLR,
Thanks for the great info. I'm currently working on something similar and every little bit of comparative information really helps to give me an idea of where things stand, from one type of truck to another and what type of fuel/additive mix as well, Also, anybody that tells you that there ISN'T a drop-off in mileage when using ULSD is LYING....big time!!! One single tank of LSD will bring mileage up at least 1 MPG immediately. It's just sad that we probably won't ever recoup the mileage that was lost in the change ever again. I'm working on it at the moment but it's starting to look like the mileage gained by using LSD is gonna be gone forever. Just getting mileage back up to pre-ULSD levels has proven extremely hard to do. Once again, a big thanks for the info.
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I have noticed that with me now using the Artic diesel that is said to have 45 Centane, when I used 32 oz of my mix (this should equal 16 oz 2 cycle and 16 oz of PD) my mpg didn’t stay up like it did before I put my mix in. I think the reason I use a whole 32 oz of my mix is that I has not used any and thought it was needed being I had not used any with the last 40 gal or so of fuel.
I wish I knew what Flint Hills: www DOT premiumdiesel DOT com (replace the DOT with a . to get the correct URL) puts in their winter fuel so that my mileage goes down some when I added my mix when compard to the fuel I was using at Murphy USA. I wonder if I used too much of my mix for this brand of diesel. Anyway being I’m down to where I can add about 10-12 gallons of diesel I will add the fuel in the next day or 2 and see if my mileage goes back up any or stays the same. I’ll try to remember to post what it does over the next week or so. It may take that long as some times it sits for 2-4 days at a time.
DBLR,
In the past, fuel providers used K1 Kerosene added to the #2 diesel to aid with anti-gel properties. Since ULSD came onto the scene, they've had to resort to alternative anti-gel additives to deal with the low sulfur requirements of ULSD. It appears these new anti-gel additives may be to blame for the drop in mileage. There was already a drop-off in mileage with the kerosene mixes but it looks like the new anti-gel additives might drop it even more. Anybody that has jumped into using 2-cycle oil and who did so right before the onset of winter may have the wrong impression about the 2-cycle. Every winter, you will lose mpg with the winter blend diesel fuels depending on where in the country you might be. Anyone that decided to start using 2-cycle when the winter blends started up might see the 2-cycle as the cause of their mileage drop when the real culprit is winter fuel. It would be best to keep this in mind before making a decision on how your truck behaves with the 2-cycle. Only regular fuel, late-spring and summer numbers will show what kind of mileage the 2-cycle is capable of. It has proved to work differently for different users. Some have seen gains, some have not. Hope this helps.
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When I first tried 2-cycle oil we had been on winter fuel for about 3 months and at that time I had been using between 10-16 oz PS and 8-10 oz of MMO in my fuel. When I went to using the 2-cycle oil I noticed a drop in mileage but thought some of it may have been due to the very cold temps we had at the time.
With it being much warmer I was hoping my mpg would go up to where it was when I used PS & MMO, being that 2-cycle oil is about $2.00 cheaper to buy then MMO and is said to lube better. What I hope to do is dilute what I have in my tank and see what happens. Also if they keep making Artic fuel long enough I would like to try a tank of it with PS and MMO just to see what it will do to my mileage. Only weather will tell how much longer they will keep making Artic fuel.
i heard about adding some type of oil to your fuel tank when i was working in the construction field from a beckwith caterpillar mechanic so i have a 600 05 cummins dually and i did hear about putting 2 cycle oil in my fuel from turbodiesel register magazine so i did it and my fuel mpg increased 2-3mpg sincei have put a downloader,air intake and a high ram on my truck.
I just tried the 2 stroke oil in my tank for the first time, and it has helped quiet the engine down. I used 16oz. I bought the truck last August, and it seems to have gotten continually get louder. It has had USLD for almost all of the fillups. It only had 1800 miles when I got it, and it now has 19000. I havn't filled up to check the mileage, but by judging the odometer it doesn't look to have affected it either way. I had a freind rid with me, and he is going to try it in his '04 as he said my truck was much quieter than his. I was curious if anyone has seen a difference in their fuel filters since using the oil in the fuel? I doubt there is any difference since we are adding such small quanities.
I put the TCW3 2 cycle 16 oz and 8 oz dieselkleen in last fill up it made my truck run smoother an more quiet, Is this the right mix? This is a great tip!!!
Ok so I am new to diesels but I have been reading as much as I can on this subject. But what I am getting to is I bought my truck used with about 165k on the odo and never used additives of any kind. So what I am getting to is that Dieselkleen and the penzoil is a good mix. So I am just making sure that on a full fillup you guys are running the 16oz of 2 stroke and 8oz of dieselkleen?
I'm no long going to be discussing 2 cycle oil. I'm tried of recieving email from company wanting to discuss with me how I'm wrong. So to keep this from getting out of hand I'm pull all my web page on 2 cycle oil and no longer going to discuss it...
Mopar,
Buddy, don't take it personal. When additive sales start to show a dip and companies get wind of a "new" homebrew mix (i.e. 2-cycle oil), you can expect that they're going to want to protect their territory. What's funny is that they're not going to stop the bulk of the people already using it. Why, so you can pay more for less lubricity, for less fuel economy?? I think not. It's their fault for not giving diesel truck owners what they're asking for, namely something that will save pumps and injectors while providing optimum fuel mileage. Many of the top additive companies are still using antiquated technology and calling it improved. Now, I'm not saying that 2-cycle oil is the do-all, end-all fuel additive, but at the present time, it's pretty darn good compared to what's available. Hang in there buddy, and don't let them bring you down.
- Workhorse
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This may be a dumb question but do you guys still run the 2-cycle oil during the winter or #2 blend I guess it's called? If so do you still regularly put antigelling additives with it?
This may be a dumb question but do you guys still run the 2-cycle oil during the winter or #2 blend I guess it's called? If so do you still regularly put antigelling additives with it?
Mopar1973Man, you are the reason I subscribed to this Forum to let you know I read the 62 pages of the 2-stroke forum, sometimes with my eyes glazing over, and wanted to let you know I respect the amount of work and the quality of your input you put into this site, thank you for doing so. I was using PS and MMO that was all the rage on another site, but now I am inclined to convert to 2-stroke. I am new to this whole area as my truck ('06, CTD, auto, 4x4) has 2000 mi. so far. Quick question, for storing a vehicle for about 6 months, I had the oil changed and put in PS and MMO, is that a bad thing to do ...? What, in your opinion, should be done to store a truck for an extended period? Will 2-stroke, MMO or PS be harmful sitting in the fuel delivery system for that long? Regards - Gary
Cumminstrong,
One dose in one tank shouldn't hurt you at all. But, it might be best to run another partial tank (1/2 to 3/4 tank) of non-additized fuel (no 2-cycle at all) to purge the system of the synthetic. Some of these are not meant to be mixed together at the same time, so just to be safe, try to run a tank without anything to get things diluted a bit. Most 2-cycle oils, as long as they are rated TCW-3 should be fine to run if you can't get any of the ones on the list. Hope this helps.
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Just for the record, I am running AMSOIL Interceptor synthetic 2 stroke oil in every tank, and it is performing perfectly. The flash point of this particular product is much closer to the ULSD flash point that other 2 stroke oils. Synthetic 2 stroke oils are designed to mix, burn clean, and leave no deposits. IMO and experience, there is no harm with running a synthetic 2 stroke product. I am running it to prove a point: Synthetics will work just fine in this application with no ill-effect. Furthermore, I believe (here's where I get to be shamelessly biased) that the synthetic products perform even better at providing lubricity and clean burning. I used to run the conventional stuff, and it worked just fine as well. Like I said, I'm doing it to prove a point that synthetics are suited for this use as well, and if I'm not willing to do it with my own truck, then why should anyone? My understanding of synthetics makes me confident in running Interceptor in my diesel fuel. Just food for thought, guys. You threw a synthetic blend of 2 stroke in, and that isn't a problem. You can go back to the conventional stuff and be just fine.
Is there really a huge benefit to paying the AMSOIL price for stuff you're going to burn anyway? Maybe, maybe not. I feel that there is an increase in protection with synthetic vs conventional in this application, but that is certainly debatable. Running a conventional 2 stroke product is a great idea, and will perform just fine. I just want to be clear with readers here. I am running the AMSOIL to prove it is a viable option. There was a lot of talk that synthetics would not work for this application. I intend to prove that wrong, that's all. I'm not trying to push anyone to stop using conventional and switch to synthetic 2 stroke. I'm just proving a point by being the guinea pig.
Cool, thanks! Yeah this one threw me for a loop since it was rated for TCW-3 I thought it would be ok but I will run it with one take without any additives before I do the Walmart outboard stuff since that is all we got out here....
What is the best price that we can order our 2 stroke oil at? I may want to just order at bulk if it is cheaper. Right now its Wally world at $8 a gallon.
Jay
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