Is your truck on the pill?

[rubicon]

there are a few people using it in here in victoria but thy crush them into a powder so it will disolve easyer thay clame it works well but i dont thank its my cup of tea

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[WorkhorseDiesel]

This is to Rubicon and anybody else that may have caught my last post and thought I was speaking about the so-called "pill". I was NOT! My last post was referring to a very different type of fuel treatment, a liquid, that I'll be making public in this forum very soon. I just wanted to clear that up because I don't want anyone to confuse the additive I have in my signature with this so-called "pill". It most definitely is not!

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[Andy]

Originally Posted by WorkhorseDiesel

OK guys, I actually found something elsewhere about this new little miracle pill but it wasn't until I saw this on here that I decided to do some research. Well, you know, it doesn't take long to smell a rat! Or, in this case, moth balls. Some research on the company that "produces" these pills comes back with the President being a Minister-turned-Multi-level marketing guru . Now how many REAL ministers do you know that would support or better yet, lead a pyramid type scheme. The company website spends about 40% of it's content on this product and about 60% trying to suck you into it's marketing program where you can purchase $149 worth of pills to become a rep and then only have to pay $59 a month for 80 pills for your own personal use. If anyone beyond moronic intelligence does the math, there's NO WAY ON EARTH you could sell additional product and use the ones that you're being charged for every month, even if you have AMAZING mileage gains. Several chemists also chimed in pointing out how the notion of adding a simple additive could realign the hydrocarbon chains in your tank and bring the efficiency of a gas engine beyond even that of a diesel. Further research shows that the President and his partner in "crime", the guy who supposedly developed the additive (funny how his bio doesn't show any type of scientific education or training, all marketing mumbo-jumbo) own 51% and 49% of this publicly traded company. Oh, and their goal on the site is not to change the way fuel is consumed on the Earth, which I would probably be looking at if I had come up with something that could do what they claim, but to create 1,000 millionaires in this company. Furthermore, a chemical engineer did some looking into and pretty much said their explanation for the process by which the pills work is nothing more than psycho-bable. Claims of mileage increases started at the 20% mark and are now being touted at 35%. You'd think if this was such an incredible break-through product they would have tested it to know EXACTLY what kind of results to expect on a consistent basis. The EPA number for their product that's listed on their site is for ANOTHER product, not these pills. Likewise, certified mechanics, old & new, both have warned that similar products surfaced in the 70's and lots of people fell pray to those back then. Remember the magnet on the gas line that was supposed to give you better mileage. Tons were sold but you don't hear about them anymore. Another scientist looking into this stated that the make-up of the pills when analyzed came back reading as identical to camphor i.e. compressed moth balls. FYI, moth balls WILL increase mileage, but the downside is clogged injector pumps, fuel lines, injectors, etc. So, to all those pushing this product, and believe me there are already THOUSANDS of believers out there (think about it, the leader's a minister who knows how to convince people to BELIEVE) STAY OFF THIS FORUM!!! Common sense would tell you that if there WAS a breakthrough like this, the inventor would be recognized with a Nobel Prize and they wouldn't have to market it themselves, cause there would be offers in the millions & possibly billions of dollars from oil companies and the like to either mass market or buy out their rights. Remember the guy with the 200 mile per gallon carburetor, and yes, it did work. He sold his blueprints to ExxonMobil I believe for an undisclosed amount. Lastly, when you do some simple thinking about how this product works. You go to the filling station and drop in anywhere from 2-14 pills for the first two tanks (this is based on a Cummins with a 35 gallon tank). Then you add 6 pills per tank for every tank thereafter. If these pills aren't dissolving completely, or at all (read below), at some point, the bulk of putting all this material in your tank would take up space in the tank and you'd see it like your mileage was going up with each tank. Til the tank gets clogged or full at some point. From the last things I read on the net, the company is now recommending that customers crush the pills before they put them in. This is just so disturbing to me. That there's so much potential for this thing to be a BIG GIANT SCAM and those using the pills don't see anything wrong because most have become part of the company. If anyone is curious, the pills are being sold for anywhere from $1 to $1.50 EACH!!! So, even if you're seeing an increase n mileage, you're putting a lot of extra money into the pill box as far as I can see. As a born skeptic, all I can say to my friends on here is BUYER BEWARE!!! My $8000 Cummins is a bit too expensive to be using as a guinea pig and besides, with modifications, we've still got the most economic train-pulling beasts on the road. Oh, and by the way, there IS a new fuel treatment coming (see my signature below) but it doesn't work via smoke and mirrors....LOL

Hey Workhorse,
Interesting post. I am one of the people that bought into this new company. I trusted what my buddy was telling me and I signed up to get in early in the game. I dont want to push the product till I finish my own testing however. After reading your post, I brought some of these accusations up to my sponsor and then on to some of the top dogs in the company. I will do my best to answer some of the questions and accusations you brought up. Not saying that the company is telling the truth or that there isnt some sort of scam. But just because someone comes out with a good product doesnt mean that all the internet rumors are true. Here is my reply to some of your accusations as best to my knowledge and also some responses from the company.

1. I totally agree with you on the Minister leading a "1000 Millionaires" campaign. Shouldnt happen. I believe his "vision" that God gave him to help 1000 Americans become millionaires is a bunch of crap just to get Christians excited about it. If this is true, I'm pretty sure that my God and his god are not the same.

2. Once again I agree with you on the website spending too much on the biz and not enough on the product. This is something that is very typical of MLM programs. I hate it because to me, it should be ALL about the product and then the opportunity to make a decent living is a bonus.

3. As far as not being able to use all the product that you have been given, not true. People REALLY want to try the stuff. I have yet to meet a "manager" that can keep any on his shelves.

4. As far as what the product does, I am still in the middle of my testing but everyone I know that is using it is seeing 20-40% better fuel economy. Also 40-70% less emissions. In fact, there was one story of a lady that went to emissions and the emissions people thought that their equipment was broken because there were no emissions. As far as the moth balls thing goes, thats another internet rumor that has no validity. According to the company, their product is made up mainly of 2 enzymes and a catalyst. They arent even bothering with registering for a patent because they say that if any company wanted to take their product to a lab and copy it, they couldnt because it is made of enzymes. Here are some official ISO sheets for you to look at.

http://www.diesel.mybpbiz.com/dynami...ab_test_sd.pdf
http://www.diesel.mybpbiz.com/dynami...0lab_test1.pdf


5. The company is saying that Exxon has tried to buy them out. (Your 200MPG carbeurator is an urban legend BTW. Never happened.)

6. If the pills werent dissolving and taking up the space in your tank so that you thought you were getting better fuel economy, that would take a TON of pills and way more than a couple fill ups.

7. I hadnt heard anything about the company recommending smashing the pills, but I have heard that they are recommending switching to the powder. The reason that they are recommending powder over pills is this:

• Dissolves and turns into solution faster with quicker performance results. People report seeing performance results within the first few days instead of waiting to fill up a couple times.
• The pills are NOT water soluble which means that if they hit the layer of water at the bottom of your tank before dissolving they are null and will not dissolve. This is the reason that many diesels do not see results is because diesel supposedly has more moisture and water.
• People also were having problems because many vehicles have an "Anti Siphon" filter at the top of their tank. People were dropping these pills down the tube and they were catching on the filter. People were getting gas shot back at them because of this.

8. I dont think you mentioned this but there are also rumors of a patent enfringement and a lawsuit taking place. I talked to a few people in the company and they acknowledged that it was true but that they are not worried about it. The people suing them is a company called EnviroMax. EnviroMax makes a LIQUID supplement that is flammable and toxic. Bio Performance is a Pill or Powder that is Non-Flammable and Non-Toxic. Many people went to working for EnviroMax to working for Bio Performance. The leaders of Bio Performance are concerned that the owner of EnviroMax has pretty much gone crazy.

9. As far as sediment being left in the tank from the pills, the company says that what that is is people mixing the pills in a jar of gas. One pill is meant to treat 8 gallons, not one quart, and so sediment is left. I am planning on doing this testmyself to see what kind of sediment, if any, is left. And also to see if it makes a difference as to how much of the pill you add to a quart of gas.

10. Why is the company going MLM if its such a great product? Simple and I would probably do the same. Here are the differences:

• A company like this would normally have to dish out millions for decent advertising of the product. Distributers are HARD to get in with and then you just have product sitting on the shelf. Remember Snapple when it first came out? You could ONLY get it in New York because thats where it was made. None of the big distributors wanted them because they were "just another product". Rush Limbaugh started advertising the product and distributors couldnt wait to get their hands on it because all of the nation wanted it. Now its all over the place, not just New York.
• Going MLM, you have millions of people paying the company to become little distributors. The people get to enjoy the benefits of the product and get the opportunity to make a decent living at selling it. Word of mouth is fast and people want to hear from people who have used it, not just believe the commercials. There is no better advertising. There is paid advertising and dynamic advertising. The reason some companies go MLM is because its dynamic.

I'm a skeptic to. I'm still not totally sold on it and want to see it for myself. The reason I hopped on board is because this company is growing so fast that I wanted to get an early position and I saw nothing wrong with the product. My friend told me what he knew and that was good enough for me. I know more people that have blown more money at a casino in one night than I did for becoming a manager. Plus, the manager position comes with product. The company is now 14 weeks old. I got in at 11 weeks and already have 8 people under me that I dont even know because I got in early. I havent tried selling it because I want my own personal testimony, not just say "Well my friend says that the product does this...". The company is still young and they expect that everyone in the US will be using their product by the end of this year. If someone comes out with actual proof that the company or the product is bad, I'll drop. But so far, nobody has proof. Just rumors and gossip on the internet. Half the gossip people are confusing with other products. This product should not be confused with FFI fuel pills.

Anyways, I saw that you were pushing your own product so I thought I would at least be fair to this product. If anyone has any valid proof against this company or product, let me know. I want out if it is crap. I'm hearing more good than bad though, and the bad that I'm hearing is from people that havent tried it.

Lem

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[WorkhorseDiesel]

Hey lem,
I will be the first to admit that I seriously considered jumping on the bio-pill bandwagon when I first saw the ads. But, I am the type of person that doesn't just take something at face value, especially if it's gonna have anything to do with the well-being of my Cummins and those of my friends. So, I looked into the company and it didn't take more than a couple hours to realize that something just seemed fishy. There's other additives out there that are very good at what they do but if you go to any one of their sites you don't get the "buy into this program before you regret it" lines. If you go to www.powerservice.com their site is the same as most others. Straight forward, factual, and with tons of literature to demonstrate their claims. Just this week, I think it was Monday the 20th, during the noon lunch hour, I jumped in front of the TV cause I heard, "coming up, the bio-pill....can it really save you money on gas???". Well, I was all excited thinking....here it is, here's the chance for the company to put it's money where it's mouth is. If this company was trying to make a statement to all the skeptics and even to new prospective customers, here was their chance. So, I went and grabbed some more soda and waited. The report started out great, with camera crews going to different gas pumps around San Antonio and talking to some people that were using the product. Some said they'd seen some improvement, some said it never worked. Then they asked others who hadn't tried the product what they thought and they were like most of us...skeptical and cautious. So, I figured, well, since they're giving some press time they've got to talk to someone at the company. After the pump interviews, they cut to the head of the Better Business Bureau in San Antonio. Different people had contacted the Bureau regarding the company. But the head of the bureau said they had tried a number of times to contact ANYBODY at the company but they wouldn't return their calls. He finished his interview by stating loud and clear to all viewers, "BUYER BEWARE". Those were the words of the head of the Better Business Bureau in San Antonio, TX, regarding Bio-Performance and their fuel pill. The segment was reported by KSAT Channel 12 News, San Antonio. So, to me, that kinda put the final nail in the coffin. I'm not saying that the product doesn't work. I just think the company behind it has some issues. I'm saying to all that are going to purchase this or ANY additive that they intend to use that it's your dime and everyone should make a well informed decision. And, what about the patent infringement lawsuit??? What kind of guarantee is there for anyone using the pills if something DOES foul up on their truck in say like six months??? a year or more??? Will the company even still be around??? Most companies involved in that type of litigation usually end up having to stop at some point to address the charges. I'm surprised Enviromax hasn't filed a cease and desist on them yet. If they haven't I'm sure it won't be long and then ZILCH!!! And as far as using the MLM approach to market this product, the truth of the matter is I would have already bought some of this if it would have been offered simply as a straight out product, no MLM. And, I can probably speak for THOUSANDS that felt the same way. My skepticism started as soon as I realized it was tied to MLM. ANY product with this much potential demand DOESN'T need any help getting noticed. By now, I would have bought it, probably would have paid for it through PayPal, like most other products on the net, and FOR SURE...if I would have had a positive experience with the product, I would have contacted the company to become a distributor for the product, like I have with several other things I sell. MLM for something like this, if it's really as good as they say, is like finding a cure for cancer and then trying to build a downline....WHAT FOR!!! Sell the product and get EXTREMELY rich...is that simple enough??? The only reason I can see for the company to go with MLM is IF the product was already patented and they wanted to try to fly under the radar. Unfortunately, with 20-40% fuel economy gains....it ain't gonna happen. You're gonna stir up the WHOLE pot and everybody, especially the heavy hitters are gonna come see why you're about to take some of THEIR money out of their pockets. I have a feeling I know what the catalyst in this product is comprised of. If it's what I think it is, cause the gains sound attainable by one type of catalyst. Unfortunately, it's been patented and is now owned by a MAJOR petroleum additives company. Unless Enviromax is licensed to sell that product or is affiliated with that company, I hope for your sake that Enviromax is right and it's THEIR patent BioPerformance is infringing on, cause if it's not, there will be a much BIGGER dog in the fight soon.
Oh, and regarding an "urban legend" and a certain high mileage carburetor....here's a quote from a book published in 1994, "In 1933 Charles Nelson Pogue made headlines when he drove a 1932 Ford V8, 200 miles on a gallon of gas during a demonstration conducted by The Ford Motor Companies in Winnipeg, Manitoba using his super-carb system. However, one of the crucial factors of these systems is the use of "white" gasoline, which contained no additives. It was at this time oil companies started adding lead to the fuel. Lead is an anti-catalyst that rendered Pogue's carburetor as inefficient as a regular carb." And here's another quote, "A patent was issued Dec. 11, 1979 # 4,177,779. A man named Ray Covey developed a system that achieved 70 M.P.G. in a 400 ci. Chrysler." Unfortunately, both designs and others like them were rendered useless by additives purposely put into the fuel by the oil companies. There's plenty of evidence that the conglomerates that make up the oil industry can and will do whatever it takes to maximize their profits and keep things like that buried. Oh, they'd never do anything like that??? They would NEVER try to gouge hard working Americans during a natural disaster and make MORE money than ANY other U.S. company (including Micro$oft) ever has in the history of the United States. NEVER!!! Well, they did. So, I'm all for new technologies and ideas to maximize fuel mileage and keep the money where it belongs...in our pockets!!! So, if this bio pill does end up being the end-all, do-all solution, then maybe I'll try it in the future. But until I have rock-solid proof that the company is not duping the masses and the product is safe for the Cummins, I'm gonna play it safe. I have been with a family-owned business over the course of 28 years and have learned from experience that honesty and integrity build a business from the ground up. The owners of Bio Performance should try that sometime. It holds up a lot better than a pyramid built from the TOP DOWN.

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[Andy]

Good reply Workhorse!

Exactly the type of things I want to hear! I will be taking our conversation to their weekly meeting and see if the head dude at the meeting can answer to some of these things.

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[Andy]

Well guys, after some friends and I tested the fuel pills and saw what they actually did when you dropped them in fuel, we are NOT impressed. I am pretty much anti-fuel pills right now. Do not waste your time with this product. I was fair with them and tested the product, but they failed. And I'm not going to waste my reputation to get rich.

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[Dartman48]

Good Gawd this stuff stinks. I'm sitting here at my desk (at work) with a "Free Sample" bottle of BioPerformance in the same room. This stuff smells exactly like moth balls (don't ask how I know). I feel like I've been locked in my mother's closet. Some snake oil salesman, or maybe he was a goat washer, dropped a sample off 'cause I wouldn't take the time to see him. This is his revenge. The bottle is sealed, and the schtank still gets out.

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[Dartman48]

Good Gawd this stuff smells. I'm sitting here in my office at work, with a Free Sample of BioPerformance in the same room. It smells exactly like moth balls (don't ask). I feel like I've been locked inside my Grandmothers closet. Some "goatwasher" (snake oil salesman) left a bottle 'cause I wouldn't take time for him. He's getting his revenge. The bottle is sealed, and the schtank still gets out.

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[Dartman48]

It's getting to me. There's an echo in here.

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Smart move Lem............I figgered it would come to this, its a shame you had learn it this way though..........thanks for the R&D work