Anatomy of a Lift Pump - A - Page 3

millco · 03-30-2006, 11:56 AM

Dr.
I'm glad you mention school bus. I just happen to live accross from a bus barn! Since they play with and have a lot of Cummins over there, I thought I would go over and meet them. Now I have a reason to

!!

What is the CPL number? If you can't get it I will try to get one from my 'neighbor'...... We will see. (Suppose the one off my new Cummins wouldn't work......hehe).

Is there any more info that might help with this quest.........?

You are right about my lp. Since '05 they have put them in the tank. If you go in for warranty work and have it mounted on the engine, they will install the new one in the tank as well........
As long as this one would maintain enough flow / pressure I would use it ($65 is a doable price!). After reading this post, it looks like it would have a decent enough life expectancy. Of course, if I did it like I stated above; I would always be carrying a ready spare!
Dan

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06 3500 4x4 SLT 48RE Mega sized, Plus 2 micron fuel filter, Twin Frantz oil filters, Rokk CPS, BHAF, ARE shell, Well, it's up to 14+ MPG

and of course there's a list of wants!
73 1210 2x4 Int'l - patiently waiting to become a Cummins! 76 Scout - looking for a 4BT!

Last edited by millco : 03-30-2006 at 01:47 PM. Reason: grammer correction and to make a statement more clear!

Dr. Evil · 03-30-2006, 05:31 PM

Hey Dan,

The CPL number is like the engine ID number for Cummins (I cant remember what it stands for at the moment)...anyway, some Cummins places would want it and some dont even ask for it. I have no idea what it would be on the buses.

I think this pump would probably work for you as a pusher. I think some of the third gen guys are installing and auxiliary pickup and using a pusher. I would think there would be some info in the third gen forums on this...I havent been there for a bit so I dont know for sure.

Anyway, I think this is a good kit you could use with this pump:

http://www.vulcanperformance.com/ser...2%84%A2/Detail

I know its not for an 06....but its something to look into.

Dr. Evil · 03-30-2006, 05:39 PM

New info Dan...the engine number to give Cummins is: 56561524. Its a 1999 ISB.

04-08-2006, 03:19 PM

Quote:

The added pusher pump enhances and assists operation of the stock LP, and is especially beneficial when power mods to the Cummins are added, and require a more abundant and reliable fuel flow.

Another thread will describe that mod...

Gare Bear ,,,,, Where this Pusher/Bypass thread @ ???

DM

Last edited by DieselMinded : 04-08-2006 at 03:24 PM.

Gary - K7GLD · 04-08-2006, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by

Gare Bear ,,,,, Where this Pusher/Bypass thread @ ???

DM

HMMmmm - gonna make me WORK for my pay eh?

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millco · 04-08-2006, 07:24 PM

"Went to International dealer today and bought lift pump for $70.00. Asked for Cummins part #4090046, that's the lift pump they use on firetrucks and ambulances with 5.9's. Some Cummins dealers will let you buy direct from them, some won't. Best to find an I.H. dealer or Freighrliner shop and have them order for you. Here's the part number: 4090046 and here's the info. you should give them to qualify: engine number 56561524. This is a 1999 manufacture date 250 Encore ISB 5.9 Cummins engine, which allegedly qualifies ... good luck! Like I said, try a Freightliner or IH shop. Mine said they will order any part # we ask for. They told me Cummins wont question it from them."

Sorry I have been gone for so long. I got the above info from the site I normally hang out on. If you can do this, great. I will check to see if I can get it here locally. If you can't get it where you are; I will see about getting some here and I will gladly ship you one (As long as you pay for it.... Of course!)

Dan (email me: [millco at excite] if I take to long to get back to you)

__________________
06 3500 4x4 SLT 48RE Mega sized, Plus 2 micron fuel filter, Twin Frantz oil filters, Rokk CPS, BHAF, ARE shell, Well, it's up to 14+ MPG

and of course there's a list of wants!
73 1210 2x4 Int'l - patiently waiting to become a Cummins! 76 Scout - looking for a 4BT!

Joe Diesel · 04-10-2006, 06:50 AM

yup I picked up my LP#4090046 last week from a Freighterline shop no questions asked, cost $87CDN which is about $70US I lucked out that there Fleetguard stock was on sale so I picked up a bunch of oil & fuel filters

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ibjeepn · 06-14-2006, 08:05 PM

Will this pump work for a 2001 ? Then get the relocation kit? New to diesels and this 2001 Cummins is my first one, bought used, about 86000 miles and am worried about the pump from what I have read. Any more info for a "newbie" would be appreciated.

Thanks

vorra65 · 06-15-2006, 10:44 AM

Yes, keep the info cummin (LOL)

Just picked up my 1st CTD, last nite. 98.5 Sport,4X4 with 3.55's and 88K .

This campaign pump (4090046) you guy's are talking about, is it a revised electric lift pump that mount's in the stock location? Or is it a pusher that goes in tank to assist the stock LP?

What's the concensus, on the rollover valve-that others have stated caused the restriction/FP failures. Anyone have a fix for this?

I need to get FP gauge installed-soon. Y'all got me shakin with all the talk of LP failures.

***Mopar1973Man*** · 06-16-2006, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vorra65

Yes, keep the info cummin (LOL)

Just picked up my 1st CTD, last nite. 98.5 Sport,4X4 with 3.55's and 88K .

This campaign pump (4090046) you guy's are talking about, is it a revised electric lift pump that mount's in the stock location? Or is it a pusher that goes in tank to assist the stock LP?

What's the concensus, on the rollover valve-that others have stated caused the restriction/FP failures. Anyone have a fix for this?

I need to get FP gauge installed-soon. Y'all got me shakin with all the talk of LP failures.

Congrads on the truck!

It only a revised pump the suppose to go in stock location but some of us have moved it back toward the tank to help it live longer... Only one pump in the system.

Rollover valve is far as I know everyone is replacing it... There might be a few making something...

A set of gauges (Fuel Pressure, Boost, Pyro) is a MUST!!! The first BOMB you'll do to your truck...

vorra65 · 06-16-2006, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Rollover valve is far as I know everyone is replacing it... There might be a few making something...

Replacing it with, stock valves?

Or has someone come up with a new style valve that won't jam?

**Diesel-Dan** · 06-16-2006, 02:36 PM

HUM....maybe i can get some approval and release some inner pics of the FASS and Motor......ill see what i can do.......not promising anything here.....not my call!

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Diesel Performance Products
Head of Wnty/Trouble Shooting

Please don't PM me. I have a Vendor section just for CF users to post questions. I would like to keep everything public as it might help others with similar issues. Thanks for your understanding.

03-30-2006, 11:56 AM	#25 (permalink)
millco Cummins Nut Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Idaho Posts: 308 millco's Truck Pics	As Fate Would Have It...... Dr. I'm glad you mention school bus. I just happen to live accross from a bus barn! Since they play with and have a lot of Cummins over there, I thought I would go over and meet them. Now I have a reason to !! What is the CPL number? If you can't get it I will try to get one from my 'neighbor'...... We will see. (Suppose the one off my new Cummins wouldn't work......hehe). Is there any more info that might help with this quest.........? You are right about my lp. Since '05 they have put them in the tank. If you go in for warranty work and have it mounted on the engine, they will install the new one in the tank as well........ As long as this one would maintain enough flow / pressure I would use it ($65 is a doable price!). After reading this post, it looks like it would have a decent enough life expectancy. Of course, if I did it like I stated above; I would always be carrying a ready spare! Dan __________________ 06 3500 4x4 SLT 48RE Mega sized, Plus 2 micron fuel filter, Twin Frantz oil filters, Rokk CPS, BHAF, ARE shell, Well, it's up to 14+ MPG and of course there's a list of wants! 73 1210 2x4 Int'l - patiently waiting to become a Cummins! 76 Scout - looking for a 4BT! Last edited by millco : 03-30-2006 at 01:47 PM. Reason: grammer correction and to make a statement more clear!

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03-30-2006, 05:31 PM	#26 (permalink)
Dr. Evil Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,590 Dr. Evil's Truck Pics	Hey Dan, The CPL number is like the engine ID number for Cummins (I cant remember what it stands for at the moment)...anyway, some Cummins places would want it and some dont even ask for it. I have no idea what it would be on the buses. I think this pump would probably work for you as a pusher. I think some of the third gen guys are installing and auxiliary pickup and using a pusher. I would think there would be some info in the third gen forums on this...I havent been there for a bit so I dont know for sure. Anyway, I think this is a good kit you could use with this pump: http://www.vulcanperformance.com/ser...2%84%A2/Detail I know its not for an 06....but its something to look into.

03-30-2006, 05:39 PM	#27 (permalink)
Dr. Evil Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,590 Dr. Evil's Truck Pics	New info Dan...the engine number to give Cummins is: 56561524. Its a 1999 ISB.

04-08-2006, 07:24 PM	#30 (permalink)
millco Cummins Nut Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Idaho Posts: 308 millco's Truck Pics	"Went to International dealer today and bought lift pump for $70.00. Asked for Cummins part #4090046, that's the lift pump they use on firetrucks and ambulances with 5.9's. Some Cummins dealers will let you buy direct from them, some won't. Best to find an I.H. dealer or Freighrliner shop and have them order for you. Here's the part number: 4090046 and here's the info. you should give them to qualify: engine number 56561524. This is a 1999 manufacture date 250 Encore ISB 5.9 Cummins engine, which allegedly qualifies ... good luck! Like I said, try a Freightliner or IH shop. Mine said they will order any part # we ask for. They told me Cummins wont question it from them." Sorry I have been gone for so long. I got the above info from the site I normally hang out on. If you can do this, great. I will check to see if I can get it here locally. If you can't get it where you are; I will see about getting some here and I will gladly ship you one (As long as you pay for it.... Of course!) Dan (email me: [millco at excite] if I take to long to get back to you) __________________ 06 3500 4x4 SLT 48RE Mega sized, Plus 2 micron fuel filter, Twin Frantz oil filters, Rokk CPS, BHAF, ARE shell, Well, it's up to 14+ MPG and of course there's a list of wants! 73 1210 2x4 Int'l - patiently waiting to become a Cummins! 76 Scout - looking for a 4BT!

04-10-2006, 06:50 AM	#31 (permalink)
Joe Diesel Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 177 Joe Diesel's Truck Pics	yup I picked up my LP#4090046 last week from a Freighterline shop no questions asked, cost $87CDN which is about $70US I lucked out that there Fleetguard stock was on sale so I picked up a bunch of oil & fuel filters __________________ 02.5 2500 4x4 Sport,4:10,Silver,Quad cab,6.5ft,Auto Aftermarket: HID,Custom Grill,Aluminum nerf bars,Custom console for Scanner, Firestik & Wilson antennas, Isspro FP,EGT & Boost Gauges,High-Ram intake,Skyjacker,Springs,Bilstein,ScottyII,Thuren Track bar,MBRP 4"Duals,Vulcan,DSS,ScanGuageII RiP: LP#1 09/04,VP44 #1 & LP#2 05/05 LP#3 10/06 LP#4 09/07BloodType: Diesel

06-14-2006, 08:05 PM	#32 (permalink)
ibjeepn Newbie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 4 ibjeepn's Truck Pics	Will this pump work for a 2001 ? Then get the relocation kit? New to diesels and this 2001 Cummins is my first one, bought used, about 86000 miles and am worried about the pump from what I have read. Any more info for a "newbie" would be appreciated. Thanks

06-15-2006, 10:44 AM	#33 (permalink)
vorra65 Newbie Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 13 vorra65's Truck Pics	Yes, keep the info cummin (LOL) Just picked up my 1st CTD, last nite. 98.5 Sport,4X4 with 3.55's and 88K . This campaign pump (4090046) you guy's are talking about, is it a revised electric lift pump that mount's in the stock location? Or is it a pusher that goes in tank to assist the stock LP? What's the concensus, on the rollover valve-that others have stated caused the restriction/FP failures. Anyone have a fix for this? I need to get FP gauge installed-soon. Y'all got me shakin with all the talk of LP failures.

06-16-2006, 02:36 PM	#36 (permalink)
Diesel-Dan FASS Tech Dept. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Marthasville, MO Posts: 936 Diesel-Dan's Truck Pics	HUM....maybe i can get some approval and release some inner pics of the FASS and Motor......ill see what i can do.......not promising anything here.....not my call! __________________ Dan MacDonald Diesel Performance Products Head of Wnty/Trouble Shooting Please don't PM me. I have a Vendor section just for CF users to post questions. I would like to keep everything public as it might help others with similar issues. Thanks for your understanding.