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injection pump or ecm?

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the local dodge dealer said the injection pump was bad with these codes but the truck still starts and runs ok just builds low boost and runs sluggish.


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He speaks the truth unfortunately. 0216 is the vp death code but in a lot of cases the truck will remain driveable for a while but how long is anyones guess. I drove mine for 12 months with this code. Yours could last this long or it could stop tomorrow.

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what's with the low and high voltage codes though isn't that an ecm problem or is the vp44 making it throw all the sensor codes cause I found a vp44 for 975 on thoroughbred diesel and a local shop would install it for 100 bucks but I don't wanna go throwing parts at it till I know defiantly

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Low and high voltages can indicate a dying ECM. Your best bet would be to find a post from mopar1973man here and get his phone number in his sig and give him a shout. Guy really knows about these trucks and will be able to help you out better then I can.

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High low voltage is the vp not communicating with the Ecm correctly. Think of it like mixed signals. That's the board going bad in the vp.

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Your gonna need a vp! I have had a p0216 that keeps coming back for ~7 months... Has started and drove fine until this last week I have an intermittent hard start (with lots of white smoke) still drives fine but I know its gonna die soon.

Just like yours, mine could die any time, but now that I have the hard start w/white smoke I'm not gonna push it much further myself...

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Welp new vp44 still same old song and dance same codes. Pulled the edge off still no power what's the next step ecm? What's the best way to get an ecm rebuilt or buy one new? Or could old battery's cause this mine are crap attitude showed 13.9 ecm volts though.

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Unfortunately dodge themselves are the only reliable ecm suppliers. I have seen a few posts from guys who got theirs from cummins and other posts that say cummins don't do ecm's for their engines in the dodge trucks. I don't know what to tell you there, make a few enquires I suppose.

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To me the ecm costs more than the trucks are worth., if mine dies i will try a wrecking yard, if they dont have one they can have the truck. I mean who ever heard of a ecm being mounted to the block, where it is hot/cold all the time and sometimes wet. Those things belong inside the cab. Seems to me the more i read about this stuff makes me ask myself why i bought one, my 97 powerstroke had 4 computers, and none mounted on the engine, that was a fail from the beginning. Not saying the ford is any better, but things just start adding up. First weak vp's, junk lift pumps, lame front suspensions vacuum pumps that are the dumbest design when it could have been belt driven and be half the cost.
Fun to drive but geez. Good luck to you man, i hope it works out for you, its really bad that you spent the money on the vp and it didnt help.

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To me the ecm costs more than the trucks are worth., if mine dies i will try a wrecking yard, if they dont have one they can have the truck. I mean who ever heard of a ecm being mounted to the block, where it is hot/cold all the time and sometimes wet. Those things belong inside the cab. Seems to me the more i read about this stuff makes me ask myself why i bought one, my 97 powerstroke had 4 computers, and none mounted on the engine, that was a fail from the beginning. Not saying the ford is any better, but things just start adding up. First weak vp's, junk lift pumps, lame front suspensions vacuum pumps that are the dumbest design when it could have been belt driven and be half the cost.
Fun to drive but geez. Good luck to you man, i hope it works out for you, its really bad that you spent the money on the vp and it didnt help.
I agree I'd park it and wait to find a used. Noway i'd pay $1500-2k for a computer. If the Vp code comes I will definately drive it till it quits before changing it.

The ecm mounted on the engine probably isnt a good idea, but fords have wiring under the valve covers and the VC gaskets double as an electrical connections. A high volume oil pump to fire injectors that are $300 a piece and like you said 4 computers. I had a 95 back years ago. After the injector harness burned up due to a bad gp i got out the for sale sign after doing that job myself.

The computer controlled 24 v is great when it works. No guessing at starting like a 12v having to hold the pedal X amount and cycle the grids twice when its cold then hold the pedal down for a minute to get it to idle on its own.

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A lot of diesel engines have there ECM's bolted to the block. I assume it's possibly to keep moisture from building up due to the heat keeping it dry?????? or more then likely it's just the easiest option for the engine manufacturer and whoever the engine is for.

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A lot of diesel engines have there ECM's bolted to the block. I assume it's possibly to keep moisture from building up due to the heat keeping it dry?????? or more then likely it's just the easiest option for the engine manufacturer and whoever the engine is for.
You hit it right on the head, its the easiest, but not the best place for the module that is so important, full of vibration and heat cycles.

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