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Unhappy 24 valves of problems

Hi my name is brandon, and i am new to this fourm and new to the dodge cummins line of trucks.

my dad has bought a 2000 ram 3500, 5.9 cummins,5 speed manual 4x4 with 290K on it. he bought it from a local cattle farmer for 6k, and at the time it seemed like a good deal until it stared to have hickups. right here is the repairs we have had done to it so far as listed-

new fass fule pump "old lift pump was dieing, fule @ 6 psi"
new harmonacle ballencer
new heater core
all new seals in the front
new power steering pump
new crank position sensor
new altanator
new exaust system "cow crap ate it off"
partaly rebuilt VP44 injection pump "more to it in my story"

the guy that owend it before us hauled cattle 7 day's a week with it to slaugter houses. and one day on the road it died on him. he took it to a shop and the cause was a bad vp44. they replaced it and got it running "after trying 4 diffrent pumps" 6 months after that he sold it to us. we noticed it took a little time to start after it got hot, but when its cold it fires right up. we had the fass intalled thiking it was becouse the lift pump was dieing. the shop replaced it and could get the vp44 to prime back. they said the vp 44 was bad. they took it off and sent it back to where the pump was bought from. the injection pump tech shop swar ther is nothning wrong with it, but when ahead and "partuly rebuilt it".
got the pump back on and still had trouble. the shop finaly got it to fire and run. after 3 weeks in the shop and
4K in repair im still haveing trouble with it.
it thre out a P1689 code after i got it from the shop yesterday. i took it to the local crysler shop today and they said it was a bad connection on the vp44 harness conection. they cleanded it and gave it a clean bill of heath. i drove it all day it it was trouble free untill 8-9pm today. it satlled on me and it took 5-8 trys to get it to fire. got home cut it off for 30min, got back in it to move it, same thing happend again.

please help us. we spent 4k in it and counting my dad said today if it cant be fixed, we are tradeing it for a duramax and never looking back.

anny ideas are appreceated

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Well if it has good fuel pressure to the vp and the vp is good then you are having trouble with your:
1. injectors
2. injection lines
3. cross over tubes
4. an ECM issue or
5. wiring harness
Your guess is gonna be just as good as mine.
I would go through and grease all harness plugs in the engine bay, then check all the injection lines on the VP and at the cylinder head. If that does not help anything pull the valve cover loosen all the injection lines at the head and pull the cross over tubes and injectors and have the injectors tested

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bad electronics in the vp44 cause p1689
Bad ECM cause a P1689
Bad Fuel Pump relay in the PDC cause a P1689
Bad driver side ground cause a P1689

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the injection pump tech shop swar ther is nothning wrong with it, but when ahead and "partuly rebuilt it".
Either its rebuilt properly and put on a Bosch 815 test bench or not at all...Because there is no way to recalibrate the pump with out this very expensive calibration test bench that programs the VP44 computer...


Now that being seen... I can tell you there is very very few companies in the US that have this Bosch 815 test stand! Why don't you ask your rebuilder if he got a Bosch 815 test stand in the shop.

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Well if it has good fuel pressure to the vp and the vp is good then you are having trouble with your:
1. injectors
2. injection lines
3. cross over tubes
4. an ECM issue or
5. wiring harness
the bad thing about all this is, today when it done it in the lowes hardware parking lot, it didnt throw out not one code. i had my code reader with me in the truck and i check it when it done it and it had no codes on the the ecm or powertrain computer. so im stummped how hard is it to check injectors and how much does it cost to have them rebuilt ?
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The injectors only take about 2 hours to remove your first go round, and if the injectors are bad you just want to buy new. Check out DAP (Diesel Auto Power) for your injector needs good pricing and good people. You may not always get codes for some issues, and some issues dont have a code.

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the bad thing about all this is, today when it done it in the lowes hardware parking lot, it didnt throw out not one code. i had my code reader with me in the truck and i check it when it done it and it had no codes on the the ecm or powertrain computer. so im stummped how hard is it to check injectors and how much does it cost to have them rebuilt ?
do yourself a favor pull that VP-44 and send it to diesel auto power

Talk to Jacobb, he will send you out a Bosch certified VP-44 for 970 dollars out the door.


It seems like your vp-44 is trash, and the idoit mechanics who worked on your truck are riding you guys to death.

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do yourself a favor pull that VP-44 and send it to diesel auto power

Talk to Jacobb, he will send you out a Bosch certified VP-44 for 970 dollars out the door.


It seems like your vp-44 is trash, and the idoit mechanics who worked on your truck are riding you guys to death.
the place where we personaly hand deleved the pump to is a bosch cetified builder. they put the pump on a test bench and swor up and down that it was good. the funny thing is, they went ahead and rebuilt it to shut up my dad and the shop where the truck was in. we are trying to keep from shelling out 900-1,500 buck for a pump when we can try to get it on the remaining warrnty.

here is there site Diesel Equipment Company of Greensboro North Carolina
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the place where we personaly hand deleved the pump to is a bosch cetified builder. they put the pump on a test bench and swor up and down that it was good. the funny thing is, they went ahead and rebuilt it to shut up my dad and the shop where the truck was in. we are trying to keep from shelling out 900-1,500 buck for a pump when we can try to get it on the remaining warrnty.

here is there site Diesel Equipment Company of Greensboro North Carolina
i don't think they are on the list of certified dealers for VP-44 pumps, there are only 6 815 test benches in the whole usa, and i know of 4 of them, Mike Nealson knows all 6 of them and im sure they may be a Common rail re builder, but as for VP-44's i doubt it.

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I still think you have a bad VP-44... and regardless of warranty or not...if you've still got issues, it's time to thrown on a good rebuilt VP-44 and hit the highway... Blue Chip Diesel Performance has good ones...and there are other certified Bosch ones as well...

Make sure it's certified, and I would want a guarantee that the VP-44 computer is *new* and not rebuilt...

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I think his vp internals are good, but he has a bad computer, because he has hard starting when hot. But atthis point I say that vp is trash. If i was the op I would fine another vp dodge and swap vp s and see if the problems go away. I am almost certain they will.

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I found a shop in Texas that I had a very long discussion with about how to get a Bosch 815 test stand. I can tell you the license for being a Bosch certified rebuilder has 2 commas in it. And the test stand price has 1 comma in it. This is why there is very few companies that have the test stand and are Certified Bosch Rebuilders.

There is a lot of companies that claim they are pump rebuilders but don't have the test stand for the VP44 so those pump are sent out to the network through Bosch to be repair by one of the few places with a test Bosch 815 test stand.

I'm still compling a list of companies with a Bosch 815 test stand... There is 5 that I know of that have the Bosch 815 test stand. Thanks to all the wonderful vendors and people that informed me of such places. But I'm still looking for more!

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