Shifting style on manual trans. - Page 3

metalli445 · 11-04-2009, 02:03 AM

I think for someone who hasn't tried it before I'd start out trying 5th to 6th. To me that is by far the easiest change.

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grazmo · 11-04-2009, 02:39 AM

IMO once you figure it out not using the clutch is easier, not sure how bad it is on the trans but I drove a 99 CTD 2500 with a 25' trailer with approximately 12K in it without the clutch that truck is going on 300,000 miles on and it is on its second clutch because it was driven by a moron that borrowed it

It would probably still be on its first clutch if he knew how to drive without riding the clutch and burning it up. Have never had a problem with sycronizers or anything with it. But I am a farm boy that got lots of practice with manuals driving grain wagons around the farm.

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TJT-Rav · 11-04-2009, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by cmns2500

it's supposed to be hellacious on the synchronizers....

A good friend of mine (mechanic/ transmission mechanic) just shook his head when he saw me shift with no clutch. He said it may not kill it right away, but in the end it will wear things out faster than if you'd just used the clutch.

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JasonblkZ06 · 11-04-2009, 03:18 AM

These are not dogboxes, lol wow. Why not use a clutch on a syncro tranny? I can see no reason to not use the clutch unless you like destroying your own property.

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Dracozny · 11-04-2009, 03:28 PM

I've yet to see any real numbers to confirm this myth. someone call mythbusters! rofl

as far as why not using the clutch. its personal choice really IMO especially if you have some sort of aftermarket clutch thats harder to push in, it will save your leg excess strain. maybe its not a big deal for most, and if your used to driving an 18 wheeler its only natural to shift without the clutch, if you know your truck and how it shifts at rpm/speed then I do not see how you could create any excess strain on the synchro.

not to mention you now have first hand testimony from grazmo about driving almost 300k on a stock clutch speed shifting.

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***bulldogbones*** · 11-04-2009, 03:38 PM

Yeah someone needs to give mythbusters a call lol.

I agree with the guys that says its Heck on the syncro's only if you dont know what your doing.

If you have to wait for it to slide into gear then (yeah your killing your syncro's) But If you know your truck good enough and you can match the rms for each gear and there is no hesitation in the shifter. Then you saving wear on your entire drive train.

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Dracozny · 11-04-2009, 03:45 PM

well you can wait to tag it in but don't just shove against the stick waiting to force it in as soon as the collars line up. that will kill more than just a synchro for sure.

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***bulldogbones*** · 11-04-2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dracozny

well you can wait to tag it in but don't just shove against the stick waiting to force it in as soon as the collars line up. that will kill more than just a synchro for sure.

Excatly if you can match them both up so it falls in then there is no wear. But if you hold the stick (like Dracozny said) against the gear slot waiting for it to drop. Thats way bad lol

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Free Range · 11-04-2009, 07:52 PM

I rarely shift without the clutch on mine, but on my jeep and the my bikes I speed shift all the time. It was pretty handy to know on the jeep when the clutch went

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***Prowelder*** · 11-04-2009, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Free Range

I rarely shift without the clutch on mine, but on my jeep and the my bikes I speed shift all the time. It was pretty handy to know on the jeep when the clutch went

Hey,

Yeah I had to drive my '71 VW home one time without the clutch! It was at night, in the middle of town about 40 miles from home!! My brother pushed me off and away I went, not stopping once!!!

Years ago my dad drive his '66 VW from Florida to Kansas without a clutch, with three of brothers with him!!!!! I bet that was fun!!!

Later,
Winslow

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WHITE-NOISE · 11-04-2009, 08:09 PM

i never use the clutch, ive pretty much masterd the "sweet spot" in the rpm range for it. only time i do use the clutch is from dead stops and when the outside temperture is below 50, drive the truck till the fluids are at opperating temp. but unless you have a dual disk clutch theres really no reason to not use it. shifting without the clutch is just easier on a hot intermediate plate, saves them from cracking when the clutch is disengauged and rattleing around.
not sure if that really made any sence lol

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terminaltsi · 11-04-2009, 08:19 PM

90% of the time i clutch it, but sometimes i don't. i can do it just fine, smooth, whenever i want, but it takes a bit more concerntration, so i usually wuss out and use the clutch.

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11-04-2009, 02:03 AM	#25 (permalink)
metalli445 Diesel Freak Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 898 Thanks: 2 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts metalli445's Truck Pics	I think for someone who hasn't tried it before I'd start out trying 5th to 6th. To me that is by far the easiest change. __________________ 2005 2500 QC, 4x4, Short Bed, SB 3600 DD, NV5600 6 Spd, 35/12.5/17, Amsoil 6080, straight pipe, boost fooler, Smarty TNT setting 5, Dipricol Pyro, Boost, & Fuel Press, Straight pipe, weatherguard truck box, silencer ring gone, HID's, Cobra 29 WX NW ST

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11-04-2009, 02:39 AM	#26 (permalink)
grazmo Cummins Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 142 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts grazmo's Truck Pics	IMO once you figure it out not using the clutch is easier, not sure how bad it is on the trans but I drove a 99 CTD 2500 with a 25' trailer with approximately 12K in it without the clutch that truck is going on 300,000 miles on and it is on its second clutch because it was driven by a moron that borrowed it It would probably still be on its first clutch if he knew how to drive without riding the clutch and burning it up. Have never had a problem with sycronizers or anything with it. But I am a farm boy that got lots of practice with manuals driving grain wagons around the farm. __________________ 01 CTD QC Short Bed, 5" Exhaust into 5" Flat Black Stack, Juice w Attitude stacked w Smarty, BHAF, Raptor 100, ATS stage 2 trans, ATS 5 Star TC, Aurora 4000 , Stage 5 Jammers Last edited by grazmo : 11-04-2009 at 02:45 AM.

11-04-2009, 03:18 AM	#28 (permalink)
JasonblkZ06 Cummins Nut Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Nevada, TX Posts: 303 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts JasonblkZ06's Truck Pics	These are not dogboxes, lol wow. Why not use a clutch on a syncro tranny? I can see no reason to not use the clutch unless you like destroying your own property. __________________ 2001.5 2500 4x4, QC, 6 spd, 57/65/12, Int heater delete & horn, 5" exh, AD 150, Psychotty intake, 275 Inj, Edge Comp, Vulcan DS w/ dual return, SB Con OFE, 2" front level kit, 315/70R17 BFG A/T on H2 wheels, 3rd gen front brakes, DSS, Custom stereo.

11-04-2009, 03:28 PM	#29 (permalink)
Dracozny Diesel Freak Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Linn County, Oregon Posts: 614 Thanks: 3 Thanked 36 Times in 35 Posts Dracozny's Truck Pics	I've yet to see any real numbers to confirm this myth. someone call mythbusters! rofl as far as why not using the clutch. its personal choice really IMO especially if you have some sort of aftermarket clutch thats harder to push in, it will save your leg excess strain. maybe its not a big deal for most, and if your used to driving an 18 wheeler its only natural to shift without the clutch, if you know your truck and how it shifts at rpm/speed then I do not see how you could create any excess strain on the synchro. not to mention you now have first hand testimony from grazmo about driving almost 300k on a stock clutch speed shifting. __________________ 1999 2500 Laramie 4x4, Longbed, nv4500, goose neck hitch, boost/pyro gauges, raptor 100. Last edited by Dracozny : 11-04-2009 at 03:31 PM.

11-04-2009, 03:38 PM	#30 (permalink)
*bulldogbones* Cummins Nut Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Lowville NY Posts: 1,296 Thanks: 25 Thanked 50 Times in 19 Posts bulldogbones's Truck Pics	Yeah someone needs to give mythbusters a call lol. I agree with the guys that says its Heck on the syncro's only if you dont know what your doing. If you have to wait for it to slide into gear then (yeah your killing your syncro's) But If you know your truck good enough and you can match the rms for each gear and there is no hesitation in the shifter. Then you saving wear on your entire drive train. __________________ 06 SLT Big Horn /5.9 /6spd /4" straight pipe all the way / 305/70/17 Nitto Terragrappler's /1" lift front 2" in the rear /about 40 Aftermarket lights /K&N CAI /B&W gooseneck / Edge J/A How To Post a Youtube Video . http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/of...ml#post2133752

11-04-2009, 03:45 PM	#31 (permalink)
Dracozny Diesel Freak Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Linn County, Oregon Posts: 614 Thanks: 3 Thanked 36 Times in 35 Posts Dracozny's Truck Pics	well you can wait to tag it in but don't just shove against the stick waiting to force it in as soon as the collars line up. that will kill more than just a synchro for sure. __________________ 1999 2500 Laramie 4x4, Longbed, nv4500, goose neck hitch, boost/pyro gauges, raptor 100.

11-04-2009, 07:52 PM	#33 (permalink)
Free Range Cummins Enthusiast Join Date: May 2009 Location: The friggin rock, Maine Posts: 297 Thanks: 7 Thanked 11 Times in 10 Posts Free Range's Truck Pics	I rarely shift without the clutch on mine, but on my jeep and the my bikes I speed shift all the time. It was pretty handy to know on the jeep when the clutch went __________________ If you can't fix it with a big hammer, you got an electrical problem! 01 QC SB HO 6 spd 4x4 3.55's, Airdog 100 , 265/75/R16 GY Silent Armors, Silencer ring gone, de-badged, BHAF with black Outerwares, Lukes Linked front end

11-04-2009, 08:09 PM	#35 (permalink)
WHITE-NOISE Cummins Enthusiast Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: waynesville ohio Posts: 278 Thanks: 3 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts WHITE-NOISE's Truck Pics	i never use the clutch, ive pretty much masterd the "sweet spot" in the rpm range for it. only time i do use the clutch is from dead stops and when the outside temperture is below 50, drive the truck till the fluids are at opperating temp. but unless you have a dual disk clutch theres really no reason to not use it. shifting without the clutch is just easier on a hot intermediate plate, saves them from cracking when the clutch is disengauged and rattleing around. not sure if that really made any sence lol __________________ 99 2500 7inch long arm lift , adreniline/pulse, FASS150, DDP 250hp injectors, sheid .093 lines/tubes, ATS hotrod vp44, mitchell clutch, complete THUREN FAB steering setup, nv4500 w/ torque king kit, detroit lockers front and rear.

11-04-2009, 08:19 PM	#36 (permalink)
terminaltsi Diesel Head Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Lou-evil KY Posts: 1,053 Thanks: 11 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts terminaltsi's Truck Pics	90% of the time i clutch it, but sometimes i don't. i can do it just fine, smooth, whenever i want, but it takes a bit more concerntration, so i usually wuss out and use the clutch. __________________ '99 2500 5 speed, 4x4, gauges,Quadzilla ADR, Smarty, BHAF, 5" turboback, 315/75/16 maxxis bighorns, Airdog, 13" Valair,3000k HID's, HID off road spotlights, LED back up lights, LED interior lights,alpine/cerwin-vega/mmats audio.