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Old 12-27-2008, 05:58 PM   #1 (permalink)
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2000 Dodge Ram died , won't start

I have a 2000 Dodge Ram with the Cummins diesel that just died on me today. I drove it all morning and it was fine, then later I was driving it down the street and it died, shut off completely. I tried to start it back up but no luck. It cranks over fine but does not start, doesn't fire at all. This is my first diesel so I really don't know where to start , allready checked all the fuses and connections. Any ideas ?
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Old 12-27-2008, 06:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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do the key trick for trouble codes first off. key ON-OFF-ON-OFF-- leave in ON on the 3rd switch. look at the odometer and write down the codes that spit out
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Most likely the VP44 died...

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Old 12-27-2008, 07:37 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Here is a few things to try...

1. Lift Pump Diagnostics

Minimum Fuel Pressure is 10 PSI..

2. OBD II Error Codes

P0216, P0253, P01688 is a dead VP44...
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Old 12-27-2008, 07:43 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Most likely the VP44 died...

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hope not for your sake, but thats what mine did.
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Amongst all the belief, the VP44 can fail from other reasons besides not enough fuel. Apparently the computer that sits on top of the VP has soldered electronics where by Bosch used a type of solder that is affected by heat. Heat causes the solder to break down and deteriorate which causes the computers connections to fail. Once this begins to happen your truck can have hard starting issues, white smoke exhaust, or shut down at any time like you turned off the key. The only thing that determines how long it takes for this to happen is whats called heat cycles. Basically the more times you start and stop your engine over the life of your truck. I dont know if warmer weather plays a part but I'd imagine it does. I actually had my VP fail about 6 months ago and I cant believe how many post I've read lately where this exact problem is happening to others. Thats a clear indication that we all tend to suffer from the same problem at similar times as our truck age.
This doesnt mean thats whats wrong with your truck but if you determine that your LP is working fine and you have no other codes telling you otherwise then .

If you need a new VP then make for sure that you get a FULLY updated and FULLY rebuilt pump.
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^^^^^ to add to what katoom said..



what happens is through heat cycles the solder joints get crystaline, and crystaline solder has a different resistence than clean solder joints. so the signals go haywire.
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I would also look at the lift pump.
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Amongst all the belief, the VP44 can fail from other reasons besides not enough fuel. Apparently the computer that sits on top of the VP has soldered electronics where by Bosch used a type of solder that is affected by heat. Heat causes the solder to break down and deteriorate which causes the computers connections to fail. Once this begins to happen your truck can have hard starting issues, white smoke exhaust, or shut down at any time like you turned off the key. The only thing that determines how long it takes for this to happen is whats called heat cycles. Basically the more times you start and stop your engine over the life of your truck. I dont know if warmer weather plays a part but I'd imagine it does. I actually had my VP fail about 6 months ago and I cant believe how many post I've read lately where this exact problem is happening to others. Thats a clear indication that we all tend to suffer from the same problem at similar times as our truck age.
This doesnt mean thats whats wrong with your truck but if you determine that your LP is working fine and you have no other codes telling you otherwise then .

If you need a new VP then make for sure that you get a FULLY updated and FULLY rebuilt pump.
But from what I understand that problem was correct in one of the updates. It was the type of soldier mixture that they were using that caused this problem.

Like the early years of VP44 it was because of bad machine work (not de-burring) to bad soldier joint (wrong type of soldier mixture) to lack of fuel flow (pressure and volume), to you name it...

Like myself I'm closing in on 100K miles on my VP44 and no problems. Yes I've got one of the newer pumps now... So the soldier issue and other problems are thing of the past...
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Code P-1693 ?

Thanks to all who replied. So far I checked for the code on the odometer and I'm getting P-1693 , I will see if I can find that code but if anyone knows let me know. Also this truck only has 89,000 miles on it.
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Thanks to all who replied. So far I checked for the code on the odometer and I'm getting P-1693 , I will see if I can find that code but if anyone knows let me know. Also this truck only has 89,000 miles on it.
P1693 - Companion code... Means there is more error codes present. You need to dig deeper.

Here is how to get code from the truck..
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Found problem codes

I just bought a code scanner and found the following codes : PO 234 wich reads as a problem in the turbo wastegate and P 1688 wich reads as a problem in the injection pump. I guess I'm looking at buying a new pump, but what about the code sent by the wastegate ?
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