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I just installed an S&B. My reasons were as follows:

-factory style mounting
-mostly enclosed box for adverse conditions where water may splash into the engine compartment and soak an BHAF style open filter
-solid mounting of filter so it is not bouncing around on the fender like open filters
-factory box was starting to allow edges of filter to pass very minute dust particles through which is unacceptable
-S&B box is designed to take air in exactly through the factory location, so too cold of air should not be a problem

I'm happy with it, fit and finish was excellent. All parts fit together very tightly so no dust will get in anywhere. Also I am choosing to only run a dry filter, I'm not even going to test the waters with an oiled filter. Dry filter will get replaces when it gets too packed with dust. Blowing with compressed air or washing will break down filter media. $$ saved by reusing filters is not worth the problems that occur after long term use to me.


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I have never had an issue on my 07 which had 278000kms on it when I sold it, always had oiled filter. You are more likely to get dust intrusion from a loose hose clamp. The only thing I will say about S&B that isn't good is their choice of hose clamps. But you can easily upgrade those to something much stronger and spring loaded.

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I'd rather filter my air, so I stick with dry filters. I'd rather not worry about too much or not enough oil. The bhaf will last many years and provides good filtering.

Here's tests on various filters and how much dirt they pass....

K&N Air Filter Review - Debunking the Myths (and why OEM is better)
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There's no denying the lack of filtration a K&N will offer on these forced induction engines, but I cant speak the same for all oiled filters. For instance, I've had an oiled aFe on my truck for around a decade. To this day the inlet is sparkling clean. As I've said before, when it eventually gets too clogged up I'll replace it with a BHAF just because I dont feel like going through the effort of cleaning and re-oiling. But I have to say I got my money out of this one for sure.
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There's no denying the lack of filtration a K&N will offer on these forced induction engines, but I cant speak the same for all oiled filters. For instance, I've had an oiled aFe on my truck for around a decade. To this day the inlet is sparkling clean. As I've said before, when it eventually gets too clogged up I'll replace it with a BHAF just because I dont feel like going through the effort of cleaning and re-oiling. But I have to say I got my money out of this one for sure.
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It all depends on your use of the truck. Like most folks they have what I call pavement princess that rarely leave the the pavement. These people tend to get away with washable filters really easy because the amount of blowing dust is rare to see in city environments.

Now on the other hand like where I live the only paved road is the highway. Most the towns around me have dirt streets. Then lot of use go up in the forest for firewood and hunting. I've got old videos of me coming down forestry roads with dust sliding down the windshield. Oiled filter?! Never work out here.

Yes. I'm offroad quite a bit... My BHAF after a weekend hauling firewood.


I've seen so many of washable filters plugged so bad that the filter is deformed from the vacuum a diesel engine can place on them. You ask the owner about it he'll tell you, "I've got to wash and oil it every weekend because its always plugged up". Just about every washable filter I've removed I find turbos that look like this...



If you see anything on the turbo that filter is ready for the trash can. I've seen several low mileage washable filters (less than 1,000 miles) where the turbo looks the same way. Again I live in a dirt road area not a paved city.

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My 2014 looked way way worse than that with totally stock engine and intake. Now it's clean without having blow-by dumping into the turbo and I clean my air filter every 15-20k kms.

It's easy for people to not wash and re-oil properly. That is something only I do on my trucks. Would never pay someone else to do it. Anything not used properly will cause issues.

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I think a big variable depends more on where you live and how you take care of your vehicles. I'm not sure I'd call my truck a pavement princess either. For example, I use my truck plenty offroad. Every year I collect roughly 6-8 cords of wood driving on the back fire roads. I also have gravel roads where I live too and the pavement roads around here are anything but smooth. We have a full time asphalt cold patch crew here who 'try" to stay ahead of the constant pot holes. If we ever get a newly paved road then we all act like in the Disney cartoon Cars.....

But.....above all I am very particular about not driving in dusty areas and conditions. If I do then I certainly dont follow anyone. Plus I vacuum my truck all the time. If I had a dollar for every time someone got in my truck and said "wow your truck is like new" or "it smells new". Usually they then ask how I do it and my response is always....."I just care". Typically followed by me then telling them "dont open the door until I shut off the engine because its bad for the door hinges".

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I just installed an S&B. My reasons were as follows:

-factory style mounting
-mostly enclosed box for adverse conditions where water may splash into the engine compartment and soak an BHAF style open filter
-solid mounting of filter so it is not bouncing around on the fender like open filters
-factory box was starting to allow edges of filter to pass very minute dust particles through which is unacceptable
-S&B box is designed to take air in exactly through the factory location, so too cold of air should not be a problem

I'm happy with it, fit and finish was excellent. All parts fit together very tightly so no dust will get in anywhere. Also I am choosing to only run a dry filter, I'm not even going to test the waters with an oiled filter. Dry filter will get replaces when it gets too packed with dust. Blowing with compressed air or washing will break down filter media. $$ saved by reusing filters is not worth the problems that occur after long term use to me.
would you be kind enough to post some pictures of it installed? im thinking of going with an S&B

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would you be kind enough to post some pictures of it installed? im thinking of going with an S&B
It's in my build thread, but here you go:

Clear cover is nice, that way it is easy to see when the filter starts to get nasty.

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Oh yea. Very nice, thank you. Is the turbo whine noticeably louder?

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Ended up going with the s&b dry filter will post pics when it's installed...thanks for all the input everyone
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