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Quadzilla V2 Testing

Let me start off by saying that I am in no way affiliated with Quadzilla or Diesel Auto Power. I was simply asked to test the new updates because I have big injectors, I'm familiar with the Quad, and I know the person doing all of the tuning. This person wishes to remain anonymous, so it will stay that way.

On to the good stuff!!!

So what is V2? Basically it's a way to gain more control over the tuning parameters, with an emphasis on CLEAN POWER. I've got big injectors, and I've driven my own truck enough that I can drive it virtually smoke free, but I have to be very careful with the right petal (even when set to stock)

Here are the custom tuning parameters:









Alright, let's start with the power levels:
0=stock
1=Power Percent (Explained later)
2=Fuel mileage (Same as the old number 1)
3=can-bus only (Same as old number 2)
4=can-bus + wiretap (same as old number 3)
and so on to the maximum level set is reached.

So, as you can see the first 8 parameters (through "TPS CAN Minimum") are the same as they've always been. They will function just like they used to.

The next two have to do with wiretap fueling. The "Boost Pump Scaling" gives the %specified of called for wiretap fueling if the boost is below the "boost pump low limit"
As an example: (Let's say it's set on level 10) In the pictures you can see I have the scaling set to 0% until 15psi. This means I'll get zero wiretap fueling until I hit 15psi of boost. If it was set at 50% I would get 600us of wiretap before 15psi.
This greatly reduces the amount of smoke output without reducing your peak power.

Next we have Power Percent. This is the "new" level one! Here we have the percentage of stock power called for at all times. This is perfect to use for emissions testing, letting the wife/kids drive etc. This is also another way to reduce smoke if you're wanting to be really clean.

Next is boost scaling. This is the same as it used to be. Just a smoothing feature.

Next we have PSI% listed 0-17 in increments of 1. This feature allows you to set the amount of stock power based on boost. It allows you to ramp up the power from 0-17psi, effectively reducing smoke and making the truck more driveable.

Now for my experience with testing.

Level 1: With my truck stock, I can floor it at any time and create quite a cloud of smoke. You'd swear I have a tuner cranked, but it's not. With my truck set to 70%, I can floor it while doing 55mph in 6th and get as big of a puff as a stock 24V. Meanwhile it'll pull about 34psi @ 2000rpm and 40psi by 2500rpm. It does make the truck a little doggy, but I could adjust the percentage up as I saw fit and still keep smoke to a minimum. This would be perfect if someone were to borrow my truck (never going to happen but you get the point) They could try to hotrod it as much as they want but won't be able to. I do think this would make emissions a breeze to pass, and it could be used as a safety device to keep the truck from being stolen. Essentially you can set it to 1% and the truck would only idle.

Now for the PSI%: With the power level turned up around 1500rpm I can stab the throttle (0psi of boost) and get nothing more than a slight haze until the boost picks up and the quad starts fueling hard. Spool is still excellent under these conditions, I just need to work on my top-end fuel command to reduce the smoke up there. This has made the biggest difference in CLEAN power. The quad is essentially rolling into the throttle for you as the boost comes up so you don't cloud the highway when you get on it.

Now the "Boost pump scaling" and "boost pump low limit": The wiretap fueling is essentially it's "own" programmer. It doesn't follow the rules of the can-bus fueling. This was taking effect in my description above because it doesn't wiretap fuel for me until 15psi of boost. Thus why it's only a haze until 15psi.

Now, what I'm not quite happy with yet. Off idle, if I stab the throttle on level 1 I get a puff of smoke. I am told this is because of where the quad takes over and starts controlling things. It's being worked on and should be fixed soon. Other than that I'm very happy! I do have only 20 miles or so of testing, but this does look very promising. I'll be putting 50 miles on in the morning and 50 miles in the afternoon, so I'll have more info then.

Any questions post em up and I'll do my best to answer them. The future of clean power for 24V's looks promising

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Excellent write up Tyler. I can see why you were chosen to review the product.
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Based on that sneak peak review sounds like quad has some more tricks up their sleeve. Congrats on being a guinea pig.
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Based on that sneak peak review sounds like quad has some more tricks up their sleeve. Congrats on being a guinea pig.
Yes, there is a lot that can change and be upgraded. The quad has the capability, it's just unleashing its potential



50 miles on it this morning. My happy spot for level 1 is 75%. 70% it was just too lethargic. At 75 I get a tiny puff of smoke and boost ramps up to 40+ as rpms increase. I have a very hard time breaking 1,000* exhaust temps on this setting. Running as hard as it'll go from 0-75 exhaust temps were 985, and boost 42. All with just a baby puff of smoke when starting in 2nd. I did have it to the floor from the get-go too. No rolling into it. I'd get a video if I didn't have to steer, shift, and record.


One thing I'm not happy with is level 2 (the new level 1) It seems to be defueled from what it used to be. It's acting just like level 1 for some reason.


I'm still working on the can-bus tuning. I've got it to where low end smoke is very low. Just a slight haze and a puff. The puff comes out when the boost climbs above the 17psi threshold.


The only thing I'm not satisfied with here yet is the jump once it's above 17psi. When I have it to the floor it's not an issue; Barely noticeable except the puff of smoke. The problem comes when I hold the throttle constant. Ex: When I hold it at 25% throttle the boost will steadily climb from 0 to 17 then jumps straight to 36 and the power comes in hard. I don't like the way it does that at constant throttle. I'm not sure if this is something I can tune out, or of the tuner can work on it.

More to come....
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Looks like I got a quad just in time! Haven't gotten to use it yet since the monitor is broken but the iquad module is on the way. Mine is 4k so I'm sure it'll be a little bit temperamental but this looks like a lot of fun
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Looks like I got a quad just in time! Haven't gotten to use it yet since the monitor is broken but the iquad module is on the way. Mine is 4k so I'm sure it'll be a little bit temperamental but this looks like a lot of fun
I'm not sure if they're going to implement these changes with the 4K or not.... It's meant to be a street box, but you might get lucky! I've got a 4K box too... they fuel hard!


More updates.....

The 17psi fuel bump has been fixed! Between the person writing the code and my settings on the quad it now smoothly transitions into harder fueling. When at WOT, it still gives a slight puff, but I'm not worried about that. Overall I'm very happy right now. The person writing the code might have some updates for me that could make things even better. I'm hoping to get some videos of stock tuning, old quad tuning, and the new stuff. I think you guys will be shocked at how clean 300hp sac injectors can be!

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Lvl0 OEM fueling curve


lvl3 which some rough tuning done to lower fueling at low rpms


The V2, what us beta testers are calling it haha, tuning makes a big differences.


I wouldn't say the truck feels any slower, this is likely due to being able to use more APPS input and not having to feather it to keep smoke down.

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That second video looks real clean compared to the first.

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That second video looks real clean compared to the first.
This first one is 100% stock. These big injectors and stock tuning just don't work well together before boost comes on, hence why the changes are all based off of boost

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This might actually get me to buy the quad, because I've always thought if the quad (excuse me for this) "did what the edge comp does" in terms of low boost fuel "tune-ability", because like TFaoro I have DAP 7X0.13 sacs but with a 69mm sxe. And Its fine smoke wise but with this edge I feel like it could be more aggressive, and it sounds like the quad might win me over with this new updated tuning.
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I'm glad to see that someone still loves vp trucks and wants to do cool stuff like this. I'm impressed with quadzilla. Always kinda have been lol


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This might actually get me to buy the quad, because I've always thought if the quad (excuse me for this) "did what the edge comp does" in terms of low boost fuel "tune-ability", because like TFaoro I have DAP 7X0.13 sacs but with a 69mm sxe. And Its fine smoke wise but with this edge I feel like it could be more aggressive, and it sounds like the quad might win me over with this new updated tuning.

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