biodiesel help

[zeal2132]

i have a 01 2500 5.9l turbo diesel. im interested in running biodiesel. do i need to do anything to convert my truck to run it? is it worth it? and what can I expect from it (better or worse mileage, etc. high prices)? thanks guys.

[dariddell]

i recommend getting a new fuel pump like fass or air dog because of the extra filtration and also think about the weather, bio gels a lot faster, expect around the same mileage at least i never noticed a drop...but your cummins will love it it lubes the pump better and will make you hungry when you run it lol

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[totalloser]

If you have the stock fuel lines, it should be no real problem. Biodiesel is often a little more expensive, and the fuel has less energy in it than petrodiesel. But it burns much more efficiently, so some experience identical fuel efficiency. On b100, I lost some fuel efficiency-approximately 1mpg.

The turbo seemed a bit laggier, too, which should be no surprise, as there is less waste heat. But with a blend of bio, I found I gained fuel efficiency (appx 1mpg) beyond pure dino or pure bio. And even with moderate fueling mods, smoking from acceleration dropped substantially. Even a very small amount of bio helped my efficiency.

The only real issue to worry about other than improperly processed biodiesel, is gelling in cold weather, and plugging up your fuel filter. Bio is a relatively strong solvent, and will clean all the deposits out of your tank from dino fuel, and it will likely plug up your fuel filter. After you have replaced the fuel filter, it might plug it up once more depending on how much dino deposits are in the tank. Once the bio has cleaned out the tank, you can pretty much just fill up and drive, though.

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Last edited by totalloser : 11-07-2009 at 01:16 AM.

[Dracozny]

Originally Posted by totalloser

If you have the stock fuel lines, it should be no real problem. Biodiesel is often a little more expensive, and the fuel has less energy in it than petrodiesel. But it burns much more efficiently, so some experience identical fuel efficiency. On b100, I lost some fuel efficiency-approximately 1mpg.

The turbo seemed a bit laggier, too, which should be no surprise, as there is less waste heat. But with a blend of bio, I found I gained fuel efficiency (appx 1mpg) beyond pure dino or pure bio. And even with moderate fueling mods, smoking from acceleration dropped substantially. Even a very small amount of bio helped my efficiency.

The only real issue to worry about other than improperly processed biodiesel, is gelling in cold weather, and plugging up your fuel filter. Bio is a relatively strong solvent, and will clean all the deposits out of your tank from dino fuel, and it will likely plug up your fuel filter. After you have replaced the fuel filter, it might plug it up once more depending on how much dino deposits are in the tank. Once the bio has cleaned out the tank, you can pretty much just fill up and drive, though.

well mopar1973man will show you photos of his tank which have been on nothing but dino for almost 200k miles and it still looks brand new. sediment in the tank is more likely from dirty fueling stations. anyways bio will suck allot of it down if there is any but the heavier sediment will still remain.
I just run a raptor 100 and here in oregon bio is 2% at the pump mandatory, ethanol is some other astronomical number.

if your making your own bio, filter that stuff and filter it again. there are lots of tips and tutorials out there but you defiantely want to make sure your running a quality fuel.

the one thing I notice when I run higher concentrations of bio is my EGT's are actually much cooler. I can run her up and down the highway hard and pull into the office and the turbo is already back down to 200 F.
on dino I have to idle her for atleast 5min before shutting it down around 300 F.

mpg I do notice a drop prolly around 5 mpg or so.

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[Nitrous340]

5mpg drop!!! I really dont notice much beside it idles quieter. I believe I still get about the same mpg. I like it when I can by it for a good price. I have a few friend who run all year long on their trucks. One guy has only bought $55 of diesel in the last 3 yrs cause he was out in the middle of no ware and was running low. He makes his own and has no problems running it on his 12v. My other friends are running it on 24v, CR, and a VW Passat.

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[whoaru99]

The concentration? That may have an effect on the opinons you get.

Here in MN all "commercial" diesel is required to have a minimum of 2% bio.

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[Mopar1973Man]

Originally Posted by zeal2132

i have a 01 2500 5.9l turbo diesel. im interested in running biodiesel. do i need to do anything to convert my truck to run it?

No...

is it worth it?

It can be... Being that bio have better lubricantion compared to ULSD!

and what can I expect from it (better or worse mileage, etc. high prices)? thanks guys.

Most likely a reduction in MPG because of the high cetane rating. Higher the cetane the the lower the BTU content. Hence lower MPG's.



More fuel filter pluging from the trash that in in Biodiesel. There is a old wise tale running around about Bio cleaning out the fuel tank. People say this is from the gunk in petroluem diesel. Well it not from petroluem diesel is from the biodiesel itself. Take notice my tank is spotless and I never used biodiesel ever!



So keep a lot of fuel filters on hand and be ready to change the fitler often. The othe problem with biodiesel is the fuel gels up quickly and early compared to petroluem. Now when bio gels the bio sinks to the bottom of the tank and gells up early and the petroluem rises up and stays liquid for a period longer. As for anti-gel for bio I'm not sure of many out there for Bio.

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[GOOSE36]

Will the Air Dog run alright when running the bio? I was running bio for a while but then it got to popular and its almost the same cost as regular diesel, I was running it with my stock pump and filter. Later put on the air dog but wasnt sure if it would run good or not? Another thing is the filters are more exposed and in the open than stock and on cold mornings the bio in the filters and lines will be gelled up more makeing for harder starts?

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[Dracozny]

around here 99% bio at the pump is 30 cents/gal more expensive than the 2% minimum.
as far as making it yourself: if you have a good source of oil good for you. people around here hoard that crap and get paid by the big oil waste companies.

winterizing your bio: B100supply.com - Biodiesel Equipment and Supplies - Winterizing Biodiesel

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[Super10brss]

What do you guys consider "biodiesel".?.?.?.

I am in the process of working out WMO - diesel mixture....

I was going to do some testing with my new hydrometer today until I found my lovely wife had broke it ... didn't even get to dip it once...

Also Nitrous340.... your friends 12 valve is a totally different animal than our 24 valves... the 12 valve engines are mechanical injected while ours are electronic..... The VP44 is a beast of a creature.....

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[TEX]

just to help out.........

there are differnt myths that most ppl have about biodiesel

WVO (waste veggie oil) is not biodiesel it is just used fryer oil that is used to fry chips and french fries in.

SVO (str8 veggie oil or virgin oil) this is right of the shelf corn, veggie, canola, peanut oil the nice clear light golden oil.

Biodiesel is made from either WVO or SVO mainly. it is filtered, processed, goes threw chemical reactions, and is made into biodiesel.

The terms you hear all the time like B2, B20, B50 etc represents a blend. the # posted is the amount of biodiesel that is in the blend.
B20 would be 20% biodiesel and 80% pump diesel

here are some pics of my set up.

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[TEX]

to run biodiesel you dont have to change a thing on your truck, and u can mix reg diesel with it at any time.

to fun WVo or SVO you have to have a seperate tank, heater, plumbing, switches and so on.
You start the truck on reg diesel, wait for the WVO tank to heat up, seitch to running WVO, and before u shut the truck off you have to switch back to running reg diesel to flush the lines and injectors.

the prob is that when cool WVO is very thick, think about some cold bacon grease or crisco, and it clogs up the injectors.

also as atated biodiesel gels faster than reg diesel and has less BTUs. you will run lower EGTs but use more fuel

I have only noticed less smoke and a little bit lower MPG on bio my wifes VW passat TDI gets great MPG on bio...600 miles to a 15 gal tank.

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